NFLPA recommends that players stop practicing together

[billsfan89]

On 6/20/2020 at 12:38 PM, LeGOATski said:

No, I think most players are just going to stay isolated during the season and accept the risks. They're not a high-risk demographic, anyway. Crowdless games seems like the inevitable scenario.

 

The idea of a bubble league sounds easy but the logistics are hard. The NHL NBA and MLB are all running into issues with these logistics and they aren't anywhere near the same logistical nightmare the NFL could be. And keep in mind it isn't just the players health you are looking out for. 

 

In addition to the 53 players plus the 12 Ps players you probably have 100 plus people that support the team. Dozens of coaches, trainers, equipment managers and support staff. Then you have the grounds keepers and security at the venues along with other staffs and personnel for the hotels and isolating venues players could be forced to stay at. Toss in the TV crews and you are easily looking at thousands of people. 

 

I think it is possible that they can do a bubble league but it is going to be a lot harder than people think

[billsfan89]

9 hours ago, nero1 said:

The covid-19 virus has not killed or sent a healthy individual to a hospital yet. Rising case numbers do not portend doom and gloom.

 

 

For one that isn't true young healthy people have died and while rising case numbers aren't bad on their own the number of people in hospitals is rising in many states which is very bad. Arizona is reaching their capacity for ICU beds and hospitals are becoming dangerously close to being compromised.

 

Other states like Texas and Florida are also hitting the 80% threshold and looking like they will shoot past it in days. This situation is being completely bungled by the US.

[JetsFan20]

11 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The idea of a bubble league sounds easy but the logistics are hard. The NHL NBA and MLB are all running into issues with these logistics and they aren't anywhere near the same logistical nightmare the NFL could be. And keep in mind it isn't just the players health you are looking out for. 

 

In addition to the 53 players plus the 12 Ps players you probably have 100 plus people that support the team. Dozens of coaches, trainers, equipment managers and support staff. Then you have the grounds keepers and security at the venues along with other staffs and personnel for the hotels and isolating venues players could be forced to stay at. Toss in the TV crews and you are easily looking at thousands of people. 

 

I think it is possible that they can do a bubble league but it is going to be a lot harder than people think

I’m sure the NFL has a number of contingency plans in place. If the infection rate is very low the risk is pretty minimal. The NFL will try to play these games on the moon if they have to before calling it quits. 

[HardyBoy]

On 6/21/2020 at 1:03 PM, Jerome007 said:

You're paranoid aren't you?

 

These players will have NOTHING. If it was another virus, you'd shrug your shoulders. Of course they can be contagious but even the WHO has mentioned asymptomatic people rarely are. Still that is the only real concern as their own personal health is probably totally fine. Like, totally. You quarantine them for 14 days and voilà, they're back to football. There's no "sky is falling" here. Better for them it happens now than during the season! That's why the NFL is considering having a large practice squad this year.

 

You realize if they weren't playing football, they would likely not have been tested and thus been as contagious if not more? Stop being so damn scared. The virus is real but not dramatic at all to healthy adults. We must protect the vulnerable and old. And thus, TESTING is the best option. Which they got because they played football!

 

You have absolutely no basis to say that this isn't dangerous to young people or people who don't get really sick, and there is mounting evidence saying that you are so incredibly wrong. People are judging this thing soley on alive or dead, and must save the economy today and that is not the right way to judge this.

 

If I'm a pro athlete, where even a 1% change in my body's metabolic function could be the difference between hall of fame and out of the league, no way am I messing around with this virus.

 

In terms of larger society, here's a huge problem: they know 100% this attacks the testicles. They 100% are seeing concerning testosterone level ratio changes in otherwise healthy males to the point where they are recommending follow up reproductive health screenings to males wanting to have kids later (first link below).

 

What happens to the economy in 30 or 50 years if even 5% of population becomes infertile as a result of this (granted we're screwed either way, because exponetial economic growth means exponential non-renewable resource growth and we live on a planet with finite resources, but an economic model requiring infinite exponential growth to keep up with the exponential interest on the debt)?

 

Don't think that's possible that a virus causes huge society wide impacts? Go look at polio...go look at pictures of small pox survivors (warning they are very disturbing, and then remember Europeans intentionally infected native Americans with small pox). Then tell me a virus that just came out of nowhere can't have incredible incredible impacts on a society. Not to mention all the other potential lasting impacts that they have no way ruled out of people that are asymptomatic or have very few symptoms.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41585-020-0319-7

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

Edited June 23, 2020 by HardyBoy

[spartacus]

3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

You have absolutely no basis to say that this isn't dangerous to young people or people who don't get really sick, and there is mounting evidence saying that you are so incredibly wrong. People are judging this thing soley on alive or dead, and must save the economy today and that is not the right way to judge this.

 

If I'm a pro athlete, where even a 1% change in my body's metabolic function could be the difference between hall of fame and out of the league, no way am I messing around with this virus.

 

In terms of larger society, here's a huge problem: they know 100% this attacks the testicles. They 100% are seeing concerning testosterone level ratio changes in otherwise healthy males to the point where they are recommending follow up reproductive health screenings to males wanting to have kids later (first link below).

 

What happens to the economy in 30 or 50 years if even 5% of population becomes infertile as a result of this (granted we're screwed either way, because exponetial economic growth means exponential non-renewable resource growth and we live on a planet with finite resources, but an economic model requiring infinite exponential growth to keep up with the exponential interest on the debt)?

 

Don't think that's possible that a virus causes huge society wide impacts? Go look at polio...go look at pictures of small pox survivors (warning they are very disturbing, and then remember Europeans intentionally infected native Americans with small pox). Then tell me a virus that just came out of nowhere can't have incredible incredible impacts on a society. Not to mention all the other potential lasting impacts that they have no way ruled out of people that are asymptomatic or have very few symptoms.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41585-020-0319-7

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

not sure raising the claim of infertility to stop athletes from playing is a winning strategy

most young whippersnappers will lool at it as a positive as they can screw at will with no risk of paternity suits

 

the new risk needs to be that their johnson actually falls off

back to the lab to change those test results

 

[HardyBoy]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

not sure raising the claim of infertility to stop athletes from playing is a winning strategy

most young whippersnappers will lool at it as a positive as they can screw at will with no risk of paternity suits

 

the new risk needs to be that their johnson actually falls off

back to the lab to change those test results

 

 

Well, that paper in nature is talking about a crazy significant drop in free testosterone, so pretty much...

[Roger Goodell]

16 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

Thanks for the update Commissioner!

 

Sometimes the interns get a little over exuberant on social media.

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

By the way, if any of you think that being young, and healthy is a blank check for a good COVID outcome, think again.

Here is a worst case scenario of what can happen:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/06/12/covid-19-coronavirus-leads-to-double-lung-transplant-for-woman-in-her-20s/#3843d283e070

From what I have seen researchers don’t even know what causes a good outcome vs a bad outcome yet. Your odds are significantly better if you are younger and without a pre-existing condition. But there is always the chance something in your body reacts the complete wrong way with the virus and you get a bad case. Problem is, no one knows until it actually happens. They aren’t able to tell people “you’ll get a bad case of COVID if you get it”.  Wouldn’t that be nice if they could figure that out. 

[PetermansRedemption]

25 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It is a viral 'Russian Roulette', unfortunately...

For sure, very accurate description 

[The Dean]

45 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

From what I have seen researchers don’t even know what causes a good outcome vs a bad outcome yet. Your odds are significantly better if you are younger and without a pre-existing condition. But there is always the chance something in your body reacts the complete wrong way with the virus and you get a bad case. Problem is, no one knows until it actually happens. They aren’t able to tell people “you’ll get a bad case of COVID if you get it”.  Wouldn’t that be nice if they could figure that out. 

 

And, given the recent reports of people testing negative after previously having the infection having relapses, suggests the virus may lay dormant for a period of time ("dormant" may not be the right medical/technical term). So some people are either getting it twice (which has not yet been established) or the virus simply lies in wait for a period of time, only to resurface. Since this virus is relatively new (less than a year old) do we REALLY know what might happen to those who show no/few symptoms for a period of time.

 

Russian roulette, indeed. 

[Saxum]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

How's that conversation go.:  Hey.  Let's go to a place where we can train during the day and have some fun at night.  I have just the place.  Montana!!!!

 

Tipping over Bison is fun!  Maybe it is dangerous but better the damage be during fun time than practice time.

[billsfan89]

10 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

I’m sure the NFL has a number of contingency plans in place. If the infection rate is very low the risk is pretty minimal. The NFL will try to play these games on the moon if they have to before calling it quits. 

 

A single NFL team probably has 1000 plus people involved in its operation during regular times take out the ticket takers and vendors during live games but replace that with the hotel and housing staff needed for a bubble league and that number probably hits 1000 or at least close. Bubble leagues are a logistical nightmare and we are seeing the NHL and NBA hit the wall with these reopenings. Both are still pushing through but it is being harder and harder to get players and staff sold on this. 

 

The NFL operating without fans alleviates some of the caution of super spreader events but it still leaves you with trying to isolate thousands upon thousands of people and implementing massive testing and safety protocols. It isn't an easy thing is my point. It sounds like an easy alternative to just do the NFL without fans but when you break down what that means it isn't easy. 

[JaCrispy]

Why is Brady still practicing?!?!?!? He is on a suicide mission with this virus!!!

[SCBills]

5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

By the way, if any of you think that being young, and healthy is a blank check for a good COVID outcome, think again.

Here is a worst case scenario of what can happen:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/06/12/covid-19-coronavirus-leads-to-double-lung-transplant-for-woman-in-her-20s/#3843d283e070

Young and healthy people can also die from severe cases of the flu.  I’m sure if you search hard enough, you’ll find some.   
 

Not to say COVID shouldn’t be taken seriously, with no vaccine it’s a mess, but some of these scare tactics are a bit much. 

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Why is Brady still practicing?!?!?!? He is on a suicide mission with this virus!!!

 

Why is Brady still practicing? Because rules and official requests mean NOTHING to him. He will find any loophole to go through and any way to cheat, if he thinks he can get away with it. 

[Big Turk]

19 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

How's that conversation go.:  Hey.  Let's go to a place where we can train during the day and have some fun at night.  I have just the place.  Montana!!!!

 

Have some fun at night and catch COVID...real responsible

[spartacus]

On 6/23/2020 at 3:16 PM, JaCrispy said:

Why is Brady still practicing?!?!?!? He is on a suicide mission with this virus!!!

The TB-12 program now includes vitamin D, zinc and green tea

His immune system will crush the virus if he happens to be exposed  

[JaCrispy]

22 minutes ago, spartacus said:

The TB-12 program now includes vitamin D, zinc and green tea

His immune system will crush the virus if he happens to be exposed  

God ? it!!!!!!! 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

As the coronavirus pandemic rages across the nation, and through his adopted state of Florida, Brady has defied the recommendation of the NFL Players Association's medical director and worked out with some of his Tampa Bay Buccaneers teammates.

 

Last weekend, Dr. Thom Mayer wrote: "Please be advised that it is our consensus medical opinion that in light of the increase in COVID-19 cases in certain states that no players should be engaged in practicing together in private workouts. Our goal is to have all players and your families as healthy as possible in the coming months.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29364823/tom-brady-personal-workouts-need-stop

[WhoTom]

38 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

As the coronavirus pandemic rages across the nation, and through his adopted state of Florida, Brady has defied the recommendation of the NFL Players Association's medical director and worked out with some of his Tampa Bay Buccaneers teammates.

 

Last weekend, Dr. Thom Mayer wrote: "Please be advised that it is our consensus medical opinion that in light of the increase in COVID-19 cases in certain states that no players should be engaged in practicing together in private workouts. Our goal is to have all players and your families as healthy as possible in the coming months.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29364823/tom-brady-personal-workouts-need-stop

 

Rules don't apply to him.