Thurman#1 Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Dean said: If you seriously believe that, you need to start paying attention to the CONSENSUS of scientists---not politicians. Some (I use Fauci as the prime example) are not only long time respected experts in the field, but also have access to most every study and opinion. When confronting an issue for which you have no expertise, look to the BEST experts who have access to the best minds and research. You can always find an outlier or two, of course. But why pay attention to them, when there is very good data on outcomes. Places that put mandatory stay at home orders in place and those requiring masks are having much better outcomes than those who do not. And yes, you can always fine an outlier or situation that seems to contradict the consensus. But why focus on the trivial outliers unless you simply are someone who constantly looks for, and believes, information that confirms your personal bias? Ignorance is different than stupidity. But staying purposefully ignorant is pretty damn stupid, IMO. Nice. Edited June 21, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
Mango Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: This is the bills fault. They are cursed. They could very well make the super bowl this year and there’s not going to be a season. That’s what they get for trying to be good lol At the very least it should quiet the “Josh was supposed to sit a year to work on his mechanics/fundamentals”. Seems like there is a chance that he might finally get to do that.
123719bwiqrb Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Not a good sign of the intestinal fortitude needed to play the most contact-y of sports during a pandemic. Prepare for the worst. Edited June 21, 2020 by 123719bwiqrb
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: This is the bills fault. They are cursed. They could very well make the super bowl this year and there’s not going to be a season. That’s what they get for trying to be good lol Bills would be probably a top 5 team after a canceled season. They are set up very well over the next 2 years. Many teams with high priced QBs will be in trouble cap wise. Edited June 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede
JaCrispy Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) They might as well just shut the league down until there is a cure, just to be on the safe side...because covid could be around for a while... It would suck, but even if it takes 10 years before they could play again, it would be worth it as long as there was a cure... It’s unfortunate for Josh Allen, but at least we got a few decent years out of him...on to the 2030 draft...anyone know of any current pop warner QBs that are showing signs? Edited June 21, 2020 by JaCrispy 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 19 hours ago, WhoTom said: You both spelled "science deniers" wrong. speaking of denying science.... why isn’t this the headline about those 23 Clemson players.. “Most of the total cases have been asymptomatic, and none have required hospitalization," 1
123719bwiqrb Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: speaking of denying science.... why isn’t this the headline about those 23 Clemson players.. “Most of the total cases have been asymptomatic, and none have required hospitalization," SHUT IT ALL DOWN! 2
The Dean Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: speaking of denying science.... why isn’t this the headline about those 23 Clemson players.. “Most of the total cases have been asymptomatic, and none have required hospitalization," It's better than them being in the hospital, that's for sure. But irrespective of their individual outcomes, now we have 23 more Covid positive people who must be quarantined and are potentially contagious. If there are 23 now, there may be 30 or more, at a later date. None of them are available to practice or play for at least 14 days. The ones with symptoms might have to wait much longer before they are healthy enough to contribute. So to the team it's potentially DEVASTATING. And asymptomatic can change to very symptomatic in a heartbeat. It's hard to know when someone is truly asymptomatic (and will never be symptomatic) and those who are simply PRE symptomatic. 1
Logic Posted June 21, 2020 Author Posted June 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: speaking of denying science.... why isn’t this the headline about those 23 Clemson players.. “Most of the total cases have been asymptomatic, and none have required hospitalization," When it comes to how it affects the team/sport, symptoms are irrelevant. They can still spread the disease and, thus, still have to be quarantined and be unavailable to practice or play for two weeks. If Josh Allen tests positive for COVID the night before the Chiefs game but has no symptoms, guess what? It’s still two weeks of quarantine. 1
ProcessTruster Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 screw the union. let adults take responsibility for themselves. and put people in the stands. old people (like me) and bad body people stay home. or go, but everyone know the risk and prepare. really not that hard to understand. life goes on. or not.
Logic Posted June 21, 2020 Author Posted June 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: screw the union. let adults take responsibility for themselves. and put people in the stands. old people (like me) and bad body people stay home. or go, but everyone know the risk and prepare. really not that hard to understand. life goes on. or not. Well...this is the problem. It's not just THEMSELVES. If player X gets COVID, and maybe doesn't know it because he's asymptomatic, and then goes out to party that night -- a very realistic scenario for invincible-feeling rich 20-somethings -- he can then spread it to a huge number of people. If it were just "taking responsibility for one's self", it would be a whole different matter. Because of how easily the virus spreads, the reality is that you have responsibility to your community. 1
123719bwiqrb Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Logic said: Well...this is the problem. It's not just THEMSELVES. If player X gets COVID, and maybe doesn't know it because he's asymptomatic, and then goes out to party that night -- a very realistic scenario for invincible-feeling rich 20-somethings -- he can then spread it to a huge number of people. If it were just "taking responsibility for one's self", it would be a whole different matter. Because of how easily the virus spreads, the reality is that you have responsibility to your community. But what shall we do when we do not have a community to be responsible to anymore? With the continued approach of shutting things down, we can reach that point soon.
Jerome007 Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, The Dean said: It's better than them being in the hospital, that's for sure. But irrespective of their individual outcomes, now we have 23 more Covid positive people who must be quarantined and are potentially contagious. If there are 23 now, there may be 30 or more, at a later date. None of them are available to practice or play for at least 14 days. The ones with symptoms might have to wait much longer before they are healthy enough to contribute. So to the team it's potentially DEVASTATING. And asymptomatic can change to very symptomatic in a heartbeat. It's hard to know when someone is truly asymptomatic (and will never be symptomatic) and those who are simply PRE symptomatic. You're paranoid aren't you? These players will have NOTHING. If it was another virus, you'd shrug your shoulders. Of course they can be contagious but even the WHO has mentioned asymptomatic people rarely are. Still that is the only real concern as their own personal health is probably totally fine. Like, totally. You quarantine them for 14 days and voilà, they're back to football. There's no "sky is falling" here. Better for them it happens now than during the season! That's why the NFL is considering having a large practice squad this year. You realize if they weren't playing football, they would likely not have been tested and thus been as contagious if not more? Stop being so damn scared. The virus is real but not dramatic at all to healthy adults. We must protect the vulnerable and old. And thus, TESTING is the best option. Which they got because they played football!
JaCrispy Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: speaking of denying science.... why isn’t this the headline about those 23 Clemson players.. “Most of the total cases have been asymptomatic, and none have required hospitalization," You silly boy...don’t you know that Covid is akin to a zombie apocalypse and the only way to survive is to lock yourself in your basement until the rioting and the approaching socialist utopia has cured us all? Edited June 21, 2020 by JaCrispy 2
Jerome007 Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Logic said: When it comes to how it affects the team/sport, symptoms are irrelevant. They can still spread the disease and, thus, still have to be quarantined and be unavailable to practice or play for two weeks. If Josh Allen tests positive for COVID the night before the Chiefs game but has no symptoms, guess what? It’s still two weeks of quarantine. Yes. And it would suck. But no more dramatic than that. He'd miss 2-3 weeks and done. NO THE END OF THE WORLD. And because it so happens Josh was playing in the NFL, he would have been aware he has it and needs to quarantine, otherwise he would have been more of a danger to his family and friends. I don't bet but that virus will sure make some people lose or win ha ha.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: You silly boy...don’t you know that Covid is akin to a zombie apocalypse and the only way to survive is to lock yourself in your basement until the rioting and the approaching socialist utopia has cured us all? well if I’m gonna be locked in my basement I’ll need some live sports to watch. so so body better figure this all out.
Logic Posted June 21, 2020 Author Posted June 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Yes. And it would suck. But no more dramatic than that. He'd miss 2-3 weeks and done. NO THE END OF THE WORLD. And because it so happens Josh was playing in the NFL, he would have been aware he has it and needs to quarantine, otherwise he would have been more of a danger to his family and friends. I don't bet but that virus will sure make some people lose or win ha ha. I’m not really sure what your point even is. This thread is about football players taking precautions to avoid COVID infection. If you think this is all very simple and easy to figure out and that there’s just DEFINITELY going to be an NFL season, I’d suggest that your head is in the sand, and your position is foolhardy. Ditto if you think it’s as simple as just quarantining ONE player (as the recent infection of TWENTY THREE Clemson players shows). If you want to discuss these matters like an adult, great. If you want to be confrontational and go wildly off topic, save it.
The Dean Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: You're paranoid aren't you? These players will have NOTHING. If it was another virus, you'd shrug your shoulders. Of course they can be contagious but even the WHO has mentioned asymptomatic people rarely are. Still that is the only real concern as their own personal health is probably totally fine. Like, totally. You quarantine them for 14 days and voilà, they're back to football. There's no "sky is falling" here. Better for them it happens now than during the season! That's why the NFL is considering having a large practice squad this year. You realize if they weren't playing football, they would likely not have been tested and thus been as contagious if not more? Stop being so damn scared. The virus is real but not dramatic at all to healthy adults. We must protect the vulnerable and old. And thus, TESTING is the best option. Which they got because they played football! Yes. it sounded as though the WHO said that---and nearly immediately walked it back as people were taking the statement out of context. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/who-coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-bn/index.html People who do not show symptoms ARE spreading the infection. Many "unsymptomatic" individuals eventually show symptoms---that's pre symptomatic. Out in the world, you can't tell one from the other. Ask Von Miller about how long it took him to feel normal again. https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/13/denver-broncos-von-miller-details-frightening-coronavirus-experience Quote Miller added that he took 17 days off before he attempted to practice again and that he can "really feel" the impact of COVID-19 on his lungs. "I still feel my lungs trying to get back in shape," Miller said. "It’s just all the wear and tear that it puts on your lungs." I'm not paranoid. I'm realistic. S#it is going down, and some people have their heads in the sand. Edited June 21, 2020 by The Dean 2 2
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, Buffalo619 said: You telling me offensive and defensive linemen aren’t high risk??!! They are text book high risk. Lol. those guys are great athletes in their peak shape during the season and still young. They have access to the best medical facilities and professionals. Based on personal circumstances, it should be fine if they decide not to play. It shouldn't cancel the entire season, though 1
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