Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: This statement is exactly the kind of narrative that I'm talking about. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Fauci, a 79-year-old epidemiologist, has, at any point in all of this, been untruthful. The narrative you're pushing, however, has easily recognizable political motives. Fauci is a good man and a good scientist. He is not (and it shows at times) is an epidemiologist. He's an infectious disease specialist, which has some overlap in knowledge and skillset with epidemiology but is not the same thing. Neither is Birx. Believe it or don't, we don't actually appear to have an epidemiologist in a prominent national role dealing with the covid-19 pandemic. It's kind of a glaring gap. 2
Rocky Landing Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fauci is a good man and a good scientist. He is not (and it shows at times) is an epidemiologist. He's an infectious disease specialist, which has some overlap in knowledge and skillset with epidemiology but is not the same thing. Neither is Birx. Believe it or don't, we don't actually appear to have an epidemiologist in a prominent national role dealing with the covid-19 pandemic. It's kind of a glaring gap. I stand corrected.
BillsPride12 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 I'm really not sure what happens once Fall gets here but this is exactly why I decided against booking any Bills road trips this year.
cage Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 I don't have time to read however many pages of comments are listed here, but I'd love to hear what is being proposed if a few people on a team test positive in mid-season?? Here's the scenario. The Bills are 5-0 and after meetings on Tue/Wed and a full practice on Wednesday where the Offense went up against the Defense; Mitch Morse and Feliciano test positive less than 24 hours before the scheduled Thursday night game against the Chiefs. What is the protocol for how many players are quarantined??
jimmy10 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, 17islongenough said: This guy has been wrong a lot. Might be hard to believe, but science is often not binary, right or wrong. It’s constantly evolving, and in the case of COVID-19, that’s happening daily. There’s a real deficit of patience for nuance and uncertainty these days. But everyone always enjoys a good “durrr, eggs were bad, now their good, scienticians are stoopid” take. 3
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: As people go back to work they are getting tested. Holy cow lots of people have it. This is a good thing. The death rate is going to continue to plummet. And the CDC will announce in mid August, "pandemic is over. Just be safe. Its like swine flu for the elderly." We shutdown the planet bc we were told it had a 4% IFR. More cases. Less deaths. Quicker back to freaking normal. To my understanding, we shut down (in this country) because serious cases requiring hospitalization were rising exponentially, NYC was overwhelmed, and even people who aren't epidemiologists could see that if strong measures weren't taken until we "got our act together" with testing, contact tracing, PPE for medical personnel and etc, - most of our major cities were going to go the NYC route and rural areas that lack hospital capacity weren't gonna look so good, either. No one to my knowledge was talking about IFR (infection fatality rate) at the point where we shut down, because we didn't have enough testing to have a clue what that was. We were talking about "case fatality rate" and still are. Which, by the way, still stands at 5.4% in the US of A even with all the increased testing. Whatever the infection fatality rate turns out to be (and we won't know for some time) remember hospitals were being flooded with seriously ill patients. NYC was sending patients who weren't critically ill home. Other major cities never became as overwhelmed but they got close (Atlanta, etc). Still others avoided a serious problem because we did the "Hail Mary" play and shut down. https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/banner-says-icu-beds-are-approaching-100-capacity https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/arizona Exactly how will a theoretically, much lower, infection fatality rate keep hospitals from being overwhelmed again where cases surge? 1
eball Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: But everyone always enjoys a good “durrr, eggs were bad, now their good, scienticians are stoopid” take Our Supreme Leader sure does... 1
njbuff Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Its hot as balls outside here in Texas and cases are spiking. I am talking about it being hot throughout the entire country. It has yet to be hot here on Long Island and in many areas of the country. It's tricky, I know, but a virus can be hear one minute and out the next. Let's see what happens. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said: The real question is can he throw a ball over the LB and drop a dime to the receiver under the CB? Just wanted to talk football. That's why I come here. If I were guessing, I would say Fauci probably has a noodle arm and can't throw with a good spiral. But that's just a guess. 1 3
LABILLBACKER Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Fauci has proven he will remain silent when it is politically expedient to do so. Don’t believe a word this clown says without cross examination. #CancelFauci That's right Chans.....let's all follow our fearless leader and down a bottle of hydroxychloroquine then wash it down with bleach.....adorable 1
DrDawkinstein Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: I am talking about it being hot throughout the entire country. It has yet to be hot here on Long Island and in many areas of the country. It's tricky, I know, but a virus can be hear one minute and out the next. Let's see what happens. There is absolutely zero data that backs up the notion that heat has any direct affect on the virus. And plenty of warm weather countries have had the virus sweep through. There are studies that show the difference in human behavior in warm temps has slowed the spread of other diseases and viruses (being outdoors instead of cooped up together in the winter). But no study has been able to prove that normal summer temps kill or slow the virus. I believe it was 160 or 180 degrees that finally killed it, but if it gets that hot we have bigger problems than COVID.
RyanC883 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Don Otreply said: How this would surprise anyone would be a surprise. It has been the Damocles sword hanging over the season from the get go. Fauci is one of the brightest medical minds in our nation, he is smart enough and honest enough to go with the best information available concerning Covid-19, he doesn’t lie, and has been a breath of fresh air on the national front unlike others. Go Bills!!! First Fauci said the virus was nothing to worry about, then downplayed the role of masks. The guy is bright, but he is not the medical prophet some believe.
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To my understanding, we shut down (in this country) because serious cases requiring hospitalization were rising exponentially, NYC was overwhelmed, and even people who aren't epidemiologists could see that if strong measures weren't taken until we "got our act together" with testing, contact tracing, PPE for medical personnel and etc, - most of our major cities were going to go the NYC route and rural areas that lack hospital capacity weren't gonna look so good, either. No one to my knowledge was talking about IFR (infection fatality rate) at the point where we shut down, because we didn't have enough testing to have a clue what that was. We were talking about "case fatality rate" and still are. Which, by the way, still stands at 5.4% in the US of A even with all the increased testing. Whatever the infection fatality rate turns out to be (and we won't know for some time) remember hospitals were being flooded with seriously ill patients. NYC was sending patients who weren't critically ill home. Other major cities never became as overwhelmed but they got close (Atlanta, etc). Still others avoided a serious problem because we did the "Hail Mary" play and shut down. https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/banner-says-icu-beds-are-approaching-100-capacity https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/arizona Exactly how will a theoretically, much lower, infection fatality rate keep hospitals from being overwhelmed again where cases surge? Look it up. The WHO said in February it had a CFR of 4%. [Edit: you're confusing "infection fatality rate" with "case fatality rate". They differ. Learn the difference. You just quoted CFR. In your previous post you said IFR. It's an important difference which is why it's showing up in this closed thread - mod] This is right when it hit Northern Italy (which by the way usually has bad flu seasons like this year and hospitals at capacity) these numbers set off panic and our leaders all responded to it. Except the British, Japan, Belarus, and Sweden. Some others. Look this up to, the British actually took Covid off its "Serious disease list" on March 19 but the Ferguson death model scared Boris into lockdown. The virus has taught us there can't be a national response. NYC area is not Tennessee. Hospitalization rate needs to be managed by state and localities. We never had a surge anywhere in this country outside of one hospital in Queens. Hospitals had to furlough staff; empty because no one was coming in. So we achieved what we were told: we needed to not overwhelm hospitals, get ventilators and the ppe, and get data. Our data. And this Fauci needs to start giving some serious explanation and justification for what he is "commanding" us to be doing considering we have done our jobs. What's the goal now, Dr.? "Football may not be able to be played." Ok. Why? What are we attempting to do now? Hold out for that vaccine that will never happen? 1
njbuff Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: There is absolutely zero data that backs up the notion that heat has any direct affect on the virus. And plenty of warm weather countries have had the virus sweep through. There are studies that show the difference in human behavior in warm temps has slowed the spread of other diseases and viruses (being outdoors instead of cooped up together in the winter). But no study has been able to prove that normal summer temps kill or slow the virus. I believe it was 160 or 180 degrees that finally killed it, but if it gets that hot we have bigger problems than COVID. If your synopsis is true............. we are screwed. ?
oldmanfan Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 Fauci is the pre-eminent infectious disease specialist in the country. Really the world. 1 1
BillsfanAZ Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To my understanding, we shut down (in this country) because serious cases requiring hospitalization were rising exponentially, NYC was overwhelmed, and even people who aren't epidemiologists could see that if strong measures weren't taken until we "got our act together" with testing, contact tracing, PPE for medical personnel and etc, - most of our major cities were going to go the NYC route and rural areas that lack hospital capacity weren't gonna look so good, either. No one to my knowledge was talking about IFR (infection fatality rate) at the point where we shut down, because we didn't have enough testing to have a clue what that was. We were talking about "case fatality rate" and still are. Which, by the way, still stands at 5.4% in the US of A even with all the increased testing. Whatever the infection fatality rate turns out to be (and we won't know for some time) remember hospitals were being flooded with seriously ill patients. NYC was sending patients who weren't critically ill home. Other major cities never became as overwhelmed but they got close (Atlanta, etc). Still others avoided a serious problem because we did the "Hail Mary" play and shut down. https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/banner-says-icu-beds-are-approaching-100-capacity https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/arizona Exactly how will a theoretically, much lower, infection fatality rate keep hospitals from being overwhelmed again where cases surge? I dont think we will ever know the true fatality rate. My wife does antibody testing and she said there are a lot more positive tests now than when they first started testing. Lots of people had it and never knew it. My wife had it and didnt know it. I never got it. 2
RyanC883 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, WhoTom said: He's a scientist. Science doesn't give a $#!+ about politics. It's only certain politicians who keep trying to politicize science. As far as someone else's accusation about Fauci "flip flopping" or "being wrong," science is about drawing the best conclusions that you can with the data that's available. Early on, there was little data about how COVID-19 spreads, so a lot of early conclusions were wrong. As more information came in, the models were adjusted and the conclusions were modified. That's how science works - it's a self-correcting system of progressive discovery. Changing one's mind in the face of evidence is better than doubling down on a flawed conclusion or "hoping" the problem will just go away. in other words, he can never be wrong, because the science changes. He was once saying that we should not shake hands, then saying one night stands were okay depending on individual risk. The guy loves to be in the spotlight.
Michael1962 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Politically expedient? Do you think he's running for something? He is 78 so I don't think he is running anymore. However to get where he is without having a personality tending towards being "politically expedient"? Highly unlikely, IMO. And in case anyone cares politically I hate both sides of the aisle.
BringBackFergy Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: I dont think we will ever know the true fatality rate. My wife does antibody testing and she said there are a lot more positive tests now than when they first started testing. Lots of people had it and never knew it. My wife had it and didnt know it. I never got it. You just disclosed three times more health info than the Zeke Elliot news. I am compiling my own “contact tracing” spreadsheet of people I can associate with...your wife and Zeke are on my list. 1 1
RyanC883 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If I were guessing, I would say Fauci probably has a noodle arm and can't throw with a good spiral. But that's just a guess. I’d guess he is in decent shape. I’d say he could gove Peterman a run. Not a knock on Peterman. I doubt NFL cancels. Most likely is a spring season like the NCAA is allegedly contemplating. Which would also be the death of MLB IMo.
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