Bferra13 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 If this is what life has become, this is really depressing. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 OK back to the test positive/will we have football/Von Miller wants daily testing. 1
longtimebillsfan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: We are talking about young, healthy athletes though.... The real concern would be if some of these coaches came down with it....and yes you are right it can be lethal to more than half of America, considering most don’t have clue what a healthy diet is or how to take care of themselves. People under 40 are not immune to Covid 19. They are dying as well. It is a myth that younger people don't have to worry. We should all be taking precautions. 1
ALLEN1QB Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 Might be a good move for the NFL to allow teams to carry more than 53 players as a buffer. Thoughts? 1
BobbyC81 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Gugny said: Does this make you want to knee? Yeah, knee somebody in the ballz.
Sundancer Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: People under 40 are not immune to Covid 19. They are dying as well. It is a myth that younger people don't have to worry. We should all be taking precautions. Immune From Covid, no. With no Comorbidities though, U40 is an extremely low risk group for death. Some healthy U40 people have died but those cases are the “dog bites man” “shark attack” stories that get the news their eyeballs. U40 people may get ill from Covid. That’s a fact. Nearly all of them will recover. Edited June 16, 2020 by Sundancer
LabattBlue Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 6 hours ago, ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!! said: Might be a good move for the NFL to allow teams to carry more than 53 players as a buffer. Thoughts? If players start testing positive to the point where they need larger rosters to replace those battling covid, there probably isn’t going to be NFL football this year.
123719bwiqrb Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Immune From Covid, no. With no Comorbidities though, U40 is an extremely low risk group for death. Some healthy U40 people have died but those cases are the “dog bites man” “shark attack” stories that get the news their eyeballs. U40 people may get ill from Covid. That’s a fact. Nearly all of them will recover. Waht about Tommy Boy? He is not U40!!!! Think of his life!
plenzmd1 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Or they pass it on to a buddy who passes it to his girlfriend who passes it to her friend who passes it to her father who passes it to his cousin who happens to work in a nursing home. Now five people in a nursing home die because this world class athlete unknowingly passed it to his girlfriend. Cmon Doc, logically where do we stop this. Person A works in a grocery store, person B comes into store, person B girlfriends father's wife is asymptomatic covid, person B is now asymptomatic positive, ,Person B gives to Person A...and run your scenario from there. Should we require all groceries to be delivered to your home so no one in a nursing ever gets sick again? Tell me where the line is drawn...I am all for a TOTAL lockdown for 3 weeks...and i mean n o one leaves their freaking house, and essentials are delivered ala China...absent of that..we just whistling at the wind 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That’s how I interpreted it, also - I didn’t think he was talking about the chance of an individual player dying, but the chance that if all 2,176 players in the league contracted COVID-19 at least 1 or 2 might die or at least be seriously ill for months. I’m not sure on the math of 50% chance - it read like “TLAR stats” to me. But bearing in mind that a bunch of the players on both sides of the line may be obese (high BMI, high body fat % to “beef up), some probably have hypertension (two principle risk factors) and a bunch of players are closer to 30 than 20. So if all 2000-ish players in the league got covid-19, from the current best estimates I’ve seen on hospitalization/morbidity in that age range and what I’ve heard from physicians in Atlanta and StL and Boston on the relatively young healthy people they see coming into hospital, I think there’s a realistic chance that perhaps 10-20 would require hospitalization and 1 or 2 might die. I don’t know, but I have the sense that would be unusual for an NFL season, that it would typically be maybe 3 or 4 players are hospitalized for different conditions and no one dies. We have 4-8 deaths per average in high school football every year...lets shut it down to...forever. As a matter of fact, according to this study football causes detah by ALS and Alzheimer's, so by the logic of "someone may die" we should shut it down, and it needs to be permanent. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/249912 11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Exactly. But Zeke didn’t disclose it (based on my reading of his Tweet). He needs to understand once he is intending to access a facility where others are gathered (team workout room, office, house for sale, bank, etc) others have a right to know who is infected or who exhibits signs of infection. Once that happens, all bets are off when it comes to health privacy. Open book. Will become the “Scarlett letter” of “C” (even though most would agree better to get it now and know you had it) Pretty soon all of your biological and genetic info is going to known in "order to contain the virus"...and then people will really get cranky when they cant get health insurance or life insurance 11 hours ago, ScottLaw said: We are talking about young, healthy athletes though.... The real concern would be if some of these coaches came down with it....and yes you are right it can be lethal to more than half of America, considering most don’t have clue what a healthy diet is or how to take care of themselves. lethal to half of America??? My lord, the panic porn has grown deep in our society. [Edit: please see my response -Hap] 8 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: People under 40 are not immune to Covid 19. They are dying as well. It is a myth that younger people don't have to worry. We should all be taking precautions. we should take precautions...no worries there. But people under 40 die for a ton of reasons, but the infesteimal number caused by Covid is a blip..the vast majority of deaths 10-45 is caused by unintentional injury...so if we all just stayed home forever that would take that away! 1 1
Mr. WEO Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 Chris Simms reporting 175 Cowboys players have tested positive. correction: 175 million, 45 million in the last year...
DrW Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Can you say more about this as it seems relevant? Are the players and coaches expected to be a closed social group and kind of isolate outside practice/facility? Or are they going to pubs/socializing freely on their off time? From the official policy "The foundation is laid with strict guidelines in the players’ own homes. They must always consider their own health, therefore showing responsibility for their team and all people. Crowds of people are to be avoided, they are to stay at home and in their own family. Just as millions of people are currently doing, they should pay attention to common hygiene measures." More can be found here: https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/hygiene-concept-explained-dfl-taskforce-season-restart-coronavirus-11150 It should be noted that the policy was developed before the re-start. Since last weekend, the restrictions have been relaxed a bit. E.g., the substitute players on the bench do not have to wear masks anymore, as long as they practice social distancing. There is even talk about having some fans in the stadium for the German Cup final at the end of June. I do not know if the relaxation of the restrictions also addresses the social life of the players and coaches. Interestingly, some players see it as advantage to play in an empty stadium. Joshua Kimmich (Bayern Munich, German National Team): “The positive thing is you can speak to everybody and maybe the focus is more on the game. It’s not like a show.” 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: Immune From Covid, no. With no Comorbidities though, U40 is an extremely low risk group for death. Some healthy U40 people have died but those cases are the “dog bites man” “shark attack” stories that get the news their eyeballs. U40 people may get ill from Covid. That’s a fact. Nearly all of them will recover. From the Football perspective, though, if a “mild, treat at home” case like Von Miller can knock him out for two weeks and take him a couple more to work back into shape, a more serious case could be like a season-ending injury. I “get” the viewpoint of people that in the NFL, you always have risk of injury including season ending injury - but this is risk on top of the injury risk. I don’t see how it can fail to be a challenge, and yes, I think a bit of an expanded roster would be a reasonable mitigation 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: lethal to half of America??? My lord, the panic porn has grown deep in our society. I think he could have phrased it more clearly, but you are misunderstanding Mr WEO, who is actually a medical professional and grounded in these things..... ....In context, it’s clear what’s meant is we’re back-and-forth discussing comorbidities, and his point is that roughly half of America has the comorbidities that have been associated with poor outcome/death from covid-19. Those being obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease. They are somewhat, but not totally, associated - meaning that when summed together, they pretty much do impact about half of America. A fact which is sometimes glossed over when various media talk as though Covid can only be a serious disease if you’re so old you’re on death’s doorstep or have rare conditions. That’s just not true. Football relevance: the obesity and for all we know hypertension may affect a significant # of NFL players (albeit if hypertension, I’m sure it’s controlled for them to be cleared to play and controlled hypertension does not appear to be as significant a co-morbidity. Highly athletic, fit obesity may likewise pose less of a risk factor (though I haven’t seen any data). Appreciate if you could ratchet back the sensitivity on your trigger finger for shooting at “panic porn” whatever that means.
sabres431 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: (he does have asthma, but overall, asthma does not seem to be a covid-19 risk factor) I will disagree with this part, although I'm not sure if it is listed officially or not. Due to the shortness of breath and lower oxygen levels, COVID definitely exacerbates asthma issues. My MIL was hospitalized for a week with COVID due to the low oxygen levels and having asthma.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, sabres431 said: I will disagree with this part, although I'm not sure if it is listed officially or not. Due to the shortness of breath and lower oxygen levels, COVID definitely exacerbates asthma issues. My MIL was hospitalized for a week with COVID due to the low oxygen levels and having asthma. I hope your MIL is recovered and doing well. The UK NHS did a big study where they looked at everyone hospitalized or passed from Covid and did what statisticians do to sort out what were the true risk factors of poor outcomes. I need to go back and look to see what endpoints they used - may have been the Big Guy (death) and ICU admission. The bottom line was that asthma on its own did not sort as a risk factor! Neither did cigarette smoking. Both surprising findings, but there it is. It’s linked in the Covid-19 threads. Of course, statistics apply to populations and that’s not to dismiss or denigrate the experience of an individual asthmatic, or to say their disease wasn’t worse than it would have been had they not had asthma. I suspect Von Miller would concur. Again, all the best to your MIL and fam
sabres431 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I hope your MIL is recovered and doing well. The UK NHS did a big study where they looked at everyone hospitalized or passed from Covid and did what statisticians do to sort out what were the true risk factors of poor outcomes. I need to go back and look to see what endpoints they used - may have been the Big Guy (death) and ICU admission. The bottom line was that asthma on its own did not sort as a risk factor! Neither did cigarette smoking. Both surprising findings, but there it is. It’s linked in the Covid-19 threads. Of course, statistics apply to populations and that’s not to dismiss or denigrate the experience of an individual asthmatic, or to say their disease wasn’t worse than it would have been had they not had asthma. Again, all the best to your MIL and fam I think she is still recovering from the shortness of breath. That seems to take awhile to return to normal, if it ever does. The whole family tested positive. SIL lives next door and they treated two houses as one. After they(MIL/FIL) knew they were exposed, they had a birthday party at MILs house. This was after my wife(a pharmacist at a local hospital) advised that they should stay separate. Needless to say, all tested positive AND had symptoms within 3-4 days. That's 4 adults, 3 children 16 & under. Also the person that initially exposed them also exposed her parents who tested positive. So 1 person took down 6 Adults and 3 children, 2 of which were hospitalized. Her grandfather passed away after contracting COVID while in the hospital. He was not the one who exposed the rest of the family.
plenzmd1 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think he could have phrased it more clearly, but you are misunderstanding Mr WEO, who is actually a medical professional and grounded in these things..... ....In context, it’s clear what’s meant is we’re back-and-forth discussing comorbidities, and his point is that roughly half of America has the comorbidities that have been associated with poor outcome/death from covid-19. Those being obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease. They are somewhat, but not totally, associated - meaning that when summed together, they pretty much do impact about half of America. A fact which is sometimes glossed over when various media talk as though Covid can only be a serious disease if you’re so old you’re on death’s doorstep or have rare conditions. That’s just not true. Football relevance: the obesity and for all we know hypertension may affect a significant # of NFL players (albeit if hypertension, I’m sure it’s controlled for them to be cleared to play and controlled hypertension does not appear to be as significant a co-morbidity. Highly athletic, fit obesity may likewise pose less of a risk factor (though I haven’t seen any data). Appreciate if you could ratchet back the sensitivity on your trigger finger for shooting at “panic porn” whatever that means. all i would request is you ask people who say this is "lethal" to half America always ratchet back the sensitivity and sensationalism as well...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: all i would request is you ask people who say this is "lethal" to half America always ratchet back the sensitivity and sensationalism as well... Fair point. 10 minutes ago, sabres431 said: I think she is still recovering from the shortness of breath. That seems to take awhile to return to normal, if it ever does. The whole family tested positive. SIL lives next door and they treated two houses as one. After they(MIL/FIL) knew they were exposed, they had a birthday party at MILs house. This was after my wife(a pharmacist at a local hospital) advised that they should stay separate. Needless to say, all tested positive AND had symptoms within 3-4 days. That's 4 adults, 3 children 16 & under. Also the person that initially exposed them also exposed her parents who tested positive. So 1 person took down 6 Adults and 3 children, 2 of which were hospitalized. Her grandfather passed away after contracting COVID while in the hospital. He was not the one who exposed the rest of the family. What a horrid story. I’m sorry for your loss, and so sorry they caused so much illness. I’ll never understand people who know they are exposed, even have symptoms, and continue to go on about optional activities (gym, parties, Dairy Queens, etc). ESPECIALLY if a knowledgeable trusted family member explains to them. They could have had their birthday celebration in a responsible way. 1
sabres431 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair point. What a horrid story. I’m sorry for your loss, and so sorry they caused so much illness. I’ll never understand people who know they are exposed, even have symptoms, and continue to go on about optional activities (gym, parties, Dairy Queens, etc). ESPECIALLY if a knowledgeable trusted family member explains to them. They could have had their birthday celebration in a responsible way. I forgot the part where when MIL came down with symptoms she was on the #%#%$ golf course! After speaking with their daughter, they called another medical "professional" in the family who spouts every conspiracy theory about COVID under the sun who told them the tests were probably wrong. 1
123719bwiqrb Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think he could have phrased it more clearly, but you are misunderstanding Mr WEO, who is actually a medical professional and grounded in these things..... ....In context, it’s clear what’s meant is we’re back-and-forth discussing comorbidities, and his point is that roughly half of America has the comorbidities that have been associated with poor outcome/death from covid-19. Those being obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease. They are somewhat, but not totally, associated - meaning that when summed together, they pretty much do impact about half of America. A fact which is sometimes glossed over when various media talk as though Covid can only be a serious disease if you’re so old you’re on death’s doorstep or have rare conditions. That’s just not true. Football relevance: the obesity and for all we know hypertension may affect a significant # of NFL players (albeit if hypertension, I’m sure it’s controlled for them to be cleared to play and controlled hypertension does not appear to be as significant a co-morbidity. Highly athletic, fit obesity may likewise pose less of a risk factor (though I haven’t seen any data). Appreciate if you could ratchet back the sensitivity on your trigger finger for shooting at “panic porn” whatever that means. With this stance, how can you justify playing any sport? Doesn't your stance feel a little conservative to you?
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