Texans and Cowboys players test positive

[dollars 2 donuts]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

It gets tricky fast, though, even if you're only quarantining the sick.

Let's say it's a crucial divisional matchup to decide a playoff spot in the AFC. For the sake of argument, let's say its Bills vs Patriots.

The Patriots enter the game with no COVID infections and a pretty complete roster. The Bills, on the other hand, see Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, and Tremaine Edmunds sidelined due to COVID. Is this the type of season we even want to watch? Sure, you can argue that there are injuries every year, but I think there's a good chance COVID infections will be much more prevalent.

Players also come into such close contact, both in locker rooms and on the field, that it seems unrealistic to think that COVID won't affect wide swaths of players as the season wears along. Many analysts expect there to be so many positive COVID cases throughout the season that each team would have to have a whole "taxi squad" of replacement players at the ready. How far into the bench of replacement players do we want to go? At what point is it no longer a fair representation of each team and, thus, a risk not worth putting people through?

 

 

It's a great point Logic, but I still go back to my point in way...does everything get cancelled because of what you referenced above, or do you just deal with it because that's what you do?

 

If we can assume (just play along with me here) that as recent studies have shown that 1) you are less likely to get COVID from hard surfaces and, more importantly, 2) you are unlikely to get it from those that are asymptomatic.  With those this still becomes people being responsible for taking proper care and proper measures.  Meaning, if a player gets sick I think there is a greater likelihood it happens in their everyday life as opposed to players who will almost daily be under scrutiny regarding their health.  So if it happens in their everyday life its not much different than anything else that might happen.

 

It's morning.. Time for practice.  Do you have a fever?  Yes.  Good-bye.  that stinks, but that's it.  You can come back when you've been cleared.  I just don't see one Buffalo Bill having it, which then turns into 60% of the team having it.  We know better now and we are more cautious now.  

 

I don't see the benefit, on any angle, to just wrap things up for the season because of what could be and what we might not like, as opposed to taking precautions and letting the teams that are able to hit the field, hit the field.

 

...if we want to put an asterisks by it at the end of the season, we can...please, we have done that before.  I just don't think that at this stage a whole season or people's way of life should be sacrificed because of the scales being tipped.

[RiotAct]

Cancelling the whole 2020 season would just be the liquefied turd icing on the sh** cake that is 2020.  

 

2020 - the year of subsistence-level “living”!!!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

Cancelling the whole 2020 season would just be the liquefied turd icing on the sh** cake that is 2020.  

 

2020 - the year of subsistence-level “living”!!!

Make sure you complain about it on the internet, loudly.

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Make sure you complain about it on the internet, loudly.

already taken care of!

[aristocrat]

the next month is going to be key.  i would say the season starts a month late if i had to guess right now. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What do you suggest we do? 

 

Sit inside, lock the doors and wait for a vaccine? 

Well yes, unless you have a great cause you feel like protesting for.

 

Everyone needs to stay inside for contact tracing except for me and a few thousand of my buddies. We are all going to protest to raise support for the famine in Yemen.

 

The virus will feel the nobility of my cause and tremble!

Edited June 16, 2020 by FireChans

[nucci]

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I'm sure NFL teams will test players as they report to camp, and monitor symptoms closely day by day.  That may not completely eliminate the risk, but should keep the risk at acceptable levels.  Players who have it now should be over it and immune by the time camps start.

why does everyone seem to think you are immune if you get it once? This has not been proven and there are cases of people getting it more than once

[GG]

15 minutes ago, nucci said:

why does everyone seem to think you are immune if you get it once? This has not been proven and there are cases of people getting it more than once

 

Where?

[Logic]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

What do you suggest we do? 

 

Sit inside, lock the doors and wait for a vaccine? 

I'm not sure how you got THAT from what I wrote. 

 

59 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well yes, unless you have a great cause you feel like protesting for.

 

Everyone needs to stay inside for contact tracing except for me and a few thousand of my buddies. We are all going to protest to raise support for the famine in Yemen.

 

The virus will feel the nobility of my cause and tremble!

My pointing out that COVID infection does not necessarily confer future immunity DEFINITELY called for this type of response. ?

Your ongoing ability to sidetrack a discussion with immature and unrelated babble is unmatched. Bravo.

Edited June 16, 2020 by Logic

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

why does everyone seem to think you are immune if you get it once? This has not been proven and there are cases of people getting it more than once

I know there was a headline a while back, but that was proven to be a false positive if i remember correctly. 

 

 

[spartacus]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

why does everyone seem to think you are immune if you get it once? This has not been proven and there are cases of people getting it more than once

what would be the point of a vaccine then?

The vaccine shot essentially gives you the virus so your body will develop immunity

 

[Edit: simply wrong gouge on how vaccines work please see my post below -Hap]

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan
misinformation

[nucci]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

what would be the point of a vaccine then?

The vaccine shot essentially gives you the virus so your body will develop immunity

 

 

minimize the severity? I'm not in the medical field...just trying to read and learn

[Trogdor]

On 6/15/2020 at 1:51 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Agreed. BUT, every facet of our economy is currently one big HIPAA violation. Schools, real estate showings, going back to work, etc. all require workers to answer three or four questions (Have you come in contact with any COVID patient in the last 14 days? Have you felt sick with fever or cough in last 14 days? etc). Zeke might want to see how all of us have our medical histories on the table right now.

Telling people that an employee tested positive and naming that employee aren't the same thing. People shouldn't disclose medical information about other people. 

[GG]

20 minutes ago, nucci said:

minimize the severity? I'm not in the medical field...just trying to read and learn

 

That's the issue - You read the first stories that talked about returning infections, but not the retractions that followed which said there were no recurring infections, and the data was wrong.

[vincec]

On 6/15/2020 at 12:30 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Pardon my French, but to Hell with your opinion. 

 

Simply put, Players ARE going to get the virus. Most likely some of us too. They’re young & in great physical condition while being afforded the very best medical capabilities. The vast majority of people who’ve contracted the disease are not only fine within a month, they’re then immune.

 

”PLAY BALL!”!

People are going to have to learn to live with the virus in circulation. Right now, from what I’ve read, as many as 5% or so of Americans have become infected. Until that hits 60% to 70% or there is a vaccine, the virus is going to make its rounds and we can’t cancel life in the meantime. The NFL, like everyone else, needs to develop protocols to deal with infected players.

Edited June 16, 2020 by vincec

[Logic]

49 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m getting that from a majority of your posts on the virus.... what do you suggest we do? 
 

The curve has been flattened, hospitals are no longer overwhelmed as certain precautions have been taken.... as has been stated already, we can’t just sit inside our houses with fear watching the news until there is a vaccine....perhaps more people focusing on their diet and strengthening their immune systems while not living in fear will result in a much different response. 

 

I don’t “suggest” anyone do anything, other than not spreading misinformation. I made no comment about what the NFL, or the population at large, should or should not do. Listening to experts, following common sense, and wearing masks would be nice, but I’m not silly enough to think that most people will actually do those things.

 

The statement “getting infected with COVID once means you’re immune from getting it again” has not been proven. It is not factual. That is all that I “suggested” with my comment. That’s it. Anything else you inferred was your own projection.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

If we can assume (just play along with me here) that as recent studies have shown that 1) you are less likely to get COVID from hard surfaces and, more importantly, 2) you are unlikely to get it from those that are asymptomatic.  

 

The problem is, recent studies have shown no such thing.  Even WHO had to walk that back when they had a crowd of epidemiologists saying "excuse me, kindly direct me to the data that demonstrate this point" and they had no such thing.  Operationally, "asymptomatic" just means "does not have symptoms at this time".  "Asymptomatic" people who were symptomatic 2 days or 6 days later have been shown to be shedding virus all over the environment and to have viral titer as high or higher than other symptomatic people.  There is no study demonstrating these people are not contagious.

 

Therefore the rest of what you say, based upon these assumptions, falls apart.

 

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What do you suggest we do? 

 

Sit inside, lock the doors and wait for a vaccine? 

 

I think he suggests that we not behave as though having antibodies to the virus (or having been tested positive for infection and recovered) confers immunity and for how long, until we learn more about those points.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, spartacus said:

what would be the point of a vaccine then?

The vaccine shot essentially gives you the virus so your body will develop immunity

 

No.  The vaccine does not "essentially give you the virus" to get the body to develop immunity.

There are several long posts in OTW with information about the different vaccines being tried and how they work, with links and references. 

Please go there and inform yourself before posting

 

Sorry, but this is flat out incorrect. 

 

2 hours ago, nucci said:

minimize the severity? I'm not in the medical field...just trying to read and learn

 

Fair point.  That is one effect of vaccines such as flu that are not 100% effective at preventing disease - they often (not always) minimize disease severity.

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem is, recent studies have shown no such thing.  Even WHO had to walk that back when they had a crowd of epidemiologists saying "excuse me, kindly direct me to the data that demonstrate this point" and they had no such thing.  Operationally, "asymptomatic" just means "does not have symptoms at this time".  "Asymptomatic" people who were symptomatic 2 days or 6 days later have been shown to be shedding virus all over the environment and to have viral titer as high or higher than other symptomatic people.  There is no study demonstrating these people are not contagious.

 

Therefore the rest of what you say, based upon these assumptions, falls apart.

 

 

I think he suggests that we not behave as though having antibodies to the virus (or having been tested positive for infection and recovered) confers immunity and for how long, until we learn more about those points.

 

 

It would be helpful if people used the more appropriate description of presymptomatic vs asymptomatic.   To me there's a huge difference.  

 

In any event, I'm not aware of any Typhoid Mary cases that have been uncovered.   

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, GG said:

Where?

 

Decent article

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/#57415a925c0f

 

This topic has been raised several times in the covid-19 threads in OTW, please go there to discuss

 

9 minutes ago, GG said:

It would be helpful if people used the more appropriate description of presymptomatic vs asymptomatic.   To me there's a huge difference.  

In any event, I'm not aware of any Typhoid Mary cases that have been uncovered.  

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "Typhoid Mary" cases - She was colonized with typhoid bacteria for years and never developed disease, and covid-19 has only been around for a few months.  But if you mean people who tested positive with the diagonostic RT-PCR test, who have spread the disease to others but never developed symptoms themselves, yes, there have been case studies of this from the start in China and more accumulating steadily.  BillsFan4 put up a good summary post in the OTW covid-19 discussion thread if you wish to read and discuss further.

The problem with the difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic is that it's a distinction that can only be made in hindsight, which means it's not very useful from a public health standpoint.  If you test positive today but have no symptoms, whether you are asymptomatic (in the sense of never developing symptoms) or presymptomatic is something we won't know for 14 days or so.