GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) This keeps coming up too I wonder if anybody has read Marx, or knows any of his positions on anything at all. . Mostly you see the word only as pejorative from the right. You rarely hear leftists describe themselves as Marxists, really, but no leftist would disagree with any of his principles. He was ahead of his time and just had clarity and history has only proven him correct. Das Kapital and Communifest Manifesto aren't even that long, honestly. Cliffs notes would be fine too. He was like 20 or something when he wrote it? It was a blog. People ignored it. Then they didn't. And then, a series of unfortunate events by people inspired by him. Anyway. They're just books. Not too scary. You can read things besides sports history books and Tom Clancy. They're just words. Not too dangerous... you love the marketplace of ideas, right? "I hate Marxism because of all the people who have died in his name" = so you also hate Christianity, and every religion? You hate America for all the people who have died in her name? Does Charles Manson murdering people mean The Beatles are evil? Same logic. "I hate Marxism because every state that's attempted it was or is a failed state." Name one that existed without interference from the USA. How is capitalism going for everybody here, incidentally? We're all happy to be exploited to the bone so Elon Musk can fly to Mars? From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. (this is just the golden rule applied to society; this could be a Christ quote for Christ's sake) History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. (hard to argue this one with a real life president Donald Trump ... imagine president Rosie O'Donnell but... so much worse. and it's reality.) The history of all previous societies has been the history of class struggles. (name an example that isn't. including our present reality, yours included). ANYway, hope you had a great weekend. To start the discussion, would anybody like to tell the class where "the weekend" and the "8 hour workday" comes from? Edited June 15, 2020 by GregPersons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, GregPersons said: This keeps coming up too I wonder if anybody has read Marx, or knows any of his positions on anything at all. . Mostly you see the word only as pejorative from the right. You rarely hear leftists describe themselves as Marxists, really, but no leftist would disagree with any of his principles. He was ahead of his time and just had clarity and history has only proven him correct. Das Kapital and Communifest Manifesto aren't even that long, honestly. Cliffs notes would be fine too. He was like 20 or something when he wrote it? It was a blog. People ignored it. Then they didn't. And then, a series of unfortunate events by people inspired by him. Anyway. They're just books. Not too scary. You can read things besides sports history books and Tom Clancy. They're just words. Not too dangerous... you love the marketplace of ideas, right? "I hate Marxism because of all the people who have died in his name" = so you also hate Christianity, and every religion? You hate America for all the people who have died in her name? Does Charles Manson murdering people mean The Beatles are evil? Same logic. "I hate Marxism because every state that's attempted it was or is a failed state." Name one that existed without interference from the USA. How is capitalism going for everybody here, incidentally? We're all happy to be exploited to the bone so Elon Musk can fly to Mars? From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. (this is just the golden rule applied to society; this could be a Christ quote for Christ's sake) History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. (hard to argue this one with a real life president Donald Trump ... imagine president Rosie O'Donnell but... so much worse. and it's reality.) The history of all previous societies has been the history of class struggles. (name an example that isn't. including our present reality, yours included). ANYway, hope you had a great weekend. To start the discussion, would anybody like to tell the class where "the weekend" and the "8 hour workday" comes from? Well said comrade. You are truly a son of Stalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: Well said comrade. You are truly a son of Stalin. Attaboy. You know Stalin and Marx aren't the same person? In case you thought it was Marx Stalin and John Lennon or something, not the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 minute ago, GregPersons said: Attaboy. You know Stalin and Marx aren't the same person? In case you thought it was Marx Stalin and John Lennon or something, not the case. You are good at seeing what isn't there comrade. Well done. Your agitation propaganda will really help the cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cinga Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 TO the OP, you're such a hack, but then you knew that didn't you. It is you that I'd bet has never read the Communist Manifesto. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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