RyanC883 Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 16 hours ago, GreggTX said: This is to predict the performance of each unit in 2020 based on the current roster.The DL and QB units were particularly tough to predict and could end up much better. QB: C RB: B TE: C- WR: A OL:C- CB: B- (After White, the rest is just average) S: A LB: C+ (Not as good as advertised, but not bad either) DL: C (Tough to predict how Oliver, Phillips and Epenesa will perform) ST: C+ QB: C Could be better this year. RB: B+ Motor himself could be A-, and with Moss it could be even better TE: C+. I think we are unduly "hard" on our TE's around here. Most of the league TE play is average. I expect this to rise a ton this year, however. WR: A+ We have the best WR in the league, IMO in Diggs, a great burner in Brown, and a great slot player in Beasley. Solid depth as well. OL: C. On the one hand, the pressures on JA were terrible last year, on the other hand, the running game was good when Daboll remembered it existed and JA was great at scrambling. Pass protection def. needs to improve. CB: A-. White is elite, and the rest are above average, IMO. S: A White and Poyer are fantastic. Poyer needs to regain his tackling form, however. LB: B. Milano is above average, and Edmund's improved greatly last year and made the pro bowl. The 3rd LB gives me pause, however. DL: B+. The DL did a great job last year and Oliver came on strong at the end of the season. ST: C-. Way too sporadic last year. Punting and FG kicking must be much more consistent. It looked like a college team out there sometimes with the inconsistency.
Mango Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 QB: C- Josh is currently slightly below average. I hope he is in the B/B- range by year end RB: C+ Unsure if Singletary can be an every down back, and Moss in unproven TE: C- Mostly because of the drops from Knox. If he can clean those up we are probably in the C+/B- range WR: B+ I think we actually had a slightly above average group last year but we were not great at passing the football. Adding Diggs is a huge upgrade. CB: B They play well as a unit but individually not great. If Norman can get close to form and EJ Gaines can stay healthy, they have the potential to be an A+ unit S: A Poyer and Hyde are a great pairing LB: C+ Edmunds especially needs more consistency. Milano has shown flashes and can be exciting to watch. DL: B Great depth. If we can get good production out of Espenesa and Oliver this could be a very difficult unit for teams. ST: C For consistency
Alphadawg7 Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, GreggTX said: This is to predict the performance of each unit in 2020 based on the current roster.The DL and QB units were particularly tough to predict and could end up much better. QB: C RB: B TE: C- WR: A OL:C- CB: B- (After White, the rest is just average) S: A LB: C+ (Not as good as advertised, but not bad either) DL: C (Tough to predict how Oliver, Phillips and Epenesa will perform) ST: C+ No offense but this is not a very accurate evaluation. Our QB who from weeks 5-17 was second only to Lamar with 21 TDs and only 3 turnovers to go with that gets a C? The most TDs by a Bills QB in decades? With an incomplete starting cast, 9 new starters around him, in his second year? I mean it’s ok, you don’t have to be sold fully, but he deserves more respect than a C. And then even worse, a C- for the OL? That’s way low again. They were not that bad, and honestly should be quite good this year. QB: B+ And I wouldn’t think a B was unfair, but my expectation Josh alone will make this an A by the end of the season lends me to focus on the improvements last year and the improvements to this roster around him and say I feel today it’s a B+ as i think he’s poised for a real breakout year. RB: B WR: A TE : C+ with lots of upside, could jump to a B+ this year or better if Knox takes a big step and fixes the drops. OL: B also with more upside Defense: DL: A LB: B+ CB: B+ S: A+ ST: B- Edited June 15, 2020 by Alphadawg7
Plano Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 can the season just start already, i can't take much more of these threads 1
RiotAct Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 I think a lot of you are selling Josh short. His level of play will be in the B+ / A- range this year, I bet.
Mr. WEO Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 OP is predicting "A" performances by WRs with a "C" QB? "W' "T" "F"? 1
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) QB: C Allen too many fumbles. Good leader. Intermediate game was good & he ran well. QB depth is a bit below avg RB: A+ Singletary YPC and blocking were excellent. Moss will be a great compliment back TE: C+ Knox has a great skill set, but drops are a problem. Depth is so so. WR: A Diggs and Brown were 1000+ yard receivers last year. Beasley is solid. Davis and Hodgson should help red zone. OL: B- Good players but no dominant players. Quality depth. CB: A- White is excellent. Could have done better than Norman in free agency. Johnson is good nickel. Rest of CBs are good. S: C Below avg turnovers and pass breakups. Good tacking stats. LB: B Edmonds and Milano are very good starters. 3rd LB is not a starting spot due to nickel CB. Rest of LB unit is below avg. DL: B+ Quality players throughout. Great depth. ST: C+ Roberts is a high end return man. Kicking game good be better P&K Edited June 15, 2020 by Happy Days Lois & Clark
Don Otreply Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: OP is predicting "A" performances by WRs with a "C" QB? "W' "T" "F"? Curious perception for sure, like what was said earlier up post, from week 5 thru 17 Josh had 21 TDs to three interceptions, is that a C? does Josh need to tighten up his game? Yes, everyone including Josh knows this. I agree, the receivers aren’t getting an A if Josh is getting a C. 1
3rdand12 Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 21 hours ago, SCBills said: QB - C+ RB - B WR - B+ TE - C OL - C CB - B S - A LB - B- DL - B- ST - C With the talent infusion, continuity and experience I’d expect at least a half letter grade jump for each Offensive Unit once we’ve finished this upcoming year I have WR listed at B+ because we don’t have that physically dominating big bodied #1 or #2. Diggs is a stud and if Allen levels up his deep ball, Brown will beast, and this unit easily becomes an A Enough new players on each side to make it tough . We have not had cutdowns and have a to of potential in the waiting And no idea how we can evaluate the team at this point. Fun exercise though. I expect to grade up at QB , RB , Oline (2nd year as a complete unit , even Back up and part timers) WR surely will grade up with QB even taking small steps ver last season. again Second year together ! TEs were two rookies, and both quite raw. Surely they will improve ? I want to give the Offensive a chance to show what the sum of it's parts can do by midseason. Defense improved big time on the Line IMHO wow i sure am a homer,,,,,, : D Go Bills !
billsfan89 Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 Let's say C+ is average for a good reference point. QB - C Plus - I put Josh right at the average mark, he played about a mid-level QB last season and yes there is a ton of room for Josh to improve and progress but there is room for regression too. The risk is there in both directions. I like Josh but I can't put him above average until he actually proves it. The backup QB situation is OK Barkley and Fromm aren't tragic but nothing to write home about. O-Line B Plus - I know a lot of posters on here will look at the O-line and think it isn't an impressive unit. However I know that despite the lack of an All-Pro type talent along the unit I see a unit that returns all 5 starters (a key factor for o-line performance is continuity, has the best depth in the league (3-4 starting caliber players coming off the bench), and has no blatant weak link. All 5 O-line starters in my opinion are at least average starting caliber players at the position (I think Ford ended the year playing decent and I think progression is likely from him.) I like this unit as they have both continuity and depth. RB - B Plus - Singletary had a good rookie year and I think he is due for a breakout. Moss was drafted high up for a RB and I think he plays a good role as a complement. TJ Yeldon is a good backup as I think if Moss or Singletary goes down he is a decent third down back. I would give them an A but Singletary has to prove it, Moss is just a rookie third rounder and Yeldon is a nice but not spectacular backup. WR - A Minus - Diggs adds a capable WR1, I think Diggs is at worst a bordeilne top 10 receiver (He was 17th in receiving yards despite being 46th in targets and sharing targets with another top receiver.) Brown is a good to very good WR2, and Beasley is one of the top 10 slot guys in the league. I would give them an A or A plus but while I liked the drafting of Hodges and Mackenzie as a gadget WR 5 I am not too sure they have good depth beyond their first three WR's. TE - D Plus - By Far the worst unit on the team. I like Knox but he is a raw player who I think is a year away from being a starting caliber TE. Kroft is often injured and nothing special, I see Sweeney as a good backup at best and Lee Smith as an overpaid specialist. If Knox develops faster than I think this unit is at least a C Plus but right now that is only an optimistic scenario. Realistically I would say they are a significantly below average group whose potential is a lot higher. D-Line - A Minus - Easily one of the deepest units in the league. Nine starting caliber players on the unit. AJ adds some good depth to the edge which was lacking. They do lack a front line edge player as while I like Addision and Hughes both are older and more secondary edge rushers. Hopefully Ed Oliver develops as a beast on the interior rush and sets the tone for the team. Deep and talented across the board. A bit older but they just spent their highest draft pick the past two seasons on the unit so they aren’t tragically older. Linebackers – A Minus – Edumonds was emerging as a Pro-Bowl and even All-Pro type player last season, Milano to me is tragically underrated as he is a Pro-Bowl caliber LB. AJ Klein offers a solid third LB in the non-nickel situations and is decent depth to flex into the MLB position. I could also see Addison flexing out to play LB if needed. However the depth behind them is lacking. V.Joseph is an interesting depth option but there isn’t much depth if Milano or Edumonds got hurt. Safety – B Plus – Hyde and Poyer are one of the top 5 starting safety tandems in the league. However I am not sure what depth they have behind them and Poyer did have some bumps in the road last season. Still I am very confident in the tandeum to deliver at least above average safety play. This unit is a bit concerning as this is a relatively older unit. Hyde will be 30 by seasons end and Poyer 29, while not ancient by secondaries standards it is a bit concerning. Corner Back – B Flat – One of the best in the game in White but then a lot of uncertainty behind him. I think T. Johnson is a good slot corner but he has shown a propensity to be banged up. They signed Josh Norman coming off of a down year and still have Levi Wallace who is decent but nothing special. Neal is also still on the roster and could develop. They also kicked the tires again on EJ Gaines and drafted Dane Johnson late. It’s a very weird unit. White is a stud and I like T. Johnson out the slot when healthy but outside of that it is a lot of uncertainty. Special Teams – B Plus – The ST unit last year was a fairly average unit. The return game was good as I think Roberts is a top 5 return man in the game (no worries about a muffed kick and a solid returner), the coverage unit last year was decent, but the kicker lost his range and the punter was inconsistent as hell. Well this year they sured up the coverage unit with two top notch specialists and they drafted a kicker with a big leg to compete with Haush. They also signed a punter to compete with Bojo. I think given the fact that the unit last year was a C Plus B Minus unit it is easy to project significant improvement from the pieces they added. Overall you look at this team and you see a lot riding on just how good Josh can be. Yes there are some other questions like can Knox develop and how will the corners behind White play, but overall this is Josh’s team to navigate. He has the players to throw to, a good RB combo and an effective O-line. The defense should be at the worst a top 10 unit in the league and could easily be top 5 again. The ST unit should be above average at worst. The questions will always be can Josh take that next step?
Mark Vader Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 QB: B+ RB: B WR: A TE: C+ OL: B- DL: B+ LB: B- CB: B+ S: A ST: C
ProcessAccepted Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 19 hours ago, berg1029 said: QB: B- (josh allen made a huge leap from year 1 to 2. hopefully we get more improvement going into year 3 vaulting him into upper echelon of QBs) RB: B (singletary is a stud, moss should be a solid contributor from the start) TE: C- (gosh I hope Knox's hands improve. lee smith seems like a cool dude, but he gets way too many flags. Also, I'd like to see more Sweeney if Knox is still dropping everything) OL: B (solid unit last year, will be even better this year with more experience together + Cody Ford improvement) WR: A- (based on Diggs performing similarly to how he has in the past) LB: B- (tremaine, milano, and AJ klein? lorax departure really leaves a hole both on st and LB core) DL: B (if we get some more QB pressure this year out of this group.. secondary could really feast) CB: A- (like this group a lot. lot of experience to step into CB2 if levi struggles) S: A (best tandem in the league?) ST: C (our kicking game sucks, but our return game & coverage units weren't bad last year) Well going off this I guess we suck - hopefully we at least split the the Jets
Simon Says Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 On 6/14/2020 at 7:36 PM, GreggTX said: This is to predict the performance of each unit in 2020 based on the current roster.The DL and QB units were particularly tough to predict and could end up much better. QB: C RB: B TE: C- WR: A OL:C- CB: B- (After White, the rest is just average) S: A LB: C+ (Not as good as advertised, but not bad either) DL: C (Tough to predict how Oliver, Phillips and Epenesa will perform) ST: C+ I think you are low on LB(C+) and DL(C). Bills have 2 top,young 'backers and decent depth that can contribute on ST. Often run with only two LBs anyway. The DL also has depth: mix of veterans and young players. I grade each unit at least a B. Oliver might indeed be suspended,Phillips coming back from injury. Bills added Butler and Jefferson inside. Can spot Epenesa, since they rotate DL. Addison and Cox were signed this off season.
berg1029 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: Well going off this I guess we suck - hopefully we at least split the the Jets So the offense averaging a low B and the defense averaging a low A/high B means we are awful? What?!
billsfan89 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Georgie said: I think you are low on LB(C+) and DL(C). Bills have 2 top,young 'backers and decent depth that can contribute on ST. Often run with only two LBs anyway. The DL also has depth: mix of veterans and young players. I grade each unit at least a B. Oliver might indeed be suspended,Phillips coming back from injury. Bills added Butler and Jefferson inside. Can spot Epenesa, since they rotate DL. Addison and Cox were signed this off season. Some of the grades people are giving in this thread are insane. The D-Line had 7-9 starting caliber players on it and the 1-2 players you could argue aren't starting caliber players are high end rotation players. The linebacking core has 2 potential young pro-bowlers and a solid veteran in Klein. The front 7 arguably is one of the best in the league and people are giving it a C or C+? Do people really think Milano and Edumonds are just average players? Even Klein the weakest link is still a decent player.
MJS Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 8 hours ago, RiotAct said: I think a lot of you are selling Josh short. His level of play will be in the B+ / A- range this year, I bet. "Will be" is different from "is".
RiotAct Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: "Will be" is different from "is". True, but the OP did state “This is to predict the performance of each unit in 2020 based on the current roster.”
ProcessAccepted Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 12 hours ago, berg1029 said: So the offense averaging a low B and the defense averaging a low A/high B means we are awful? What?! I'm saying the grades are a tad low. Our D is clearly a solid A and I do not believe a QB room with Josh Allen is a B-. If there is a season this year we win 10+ games. B+/B teams do not win 10 games.
ngbills Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No offense but this is not a very accurate evaluation. Our QB who from weeks 5-17 was second only to Lamar with 21 TDs and only 3 turnovers to go with that gets a C? The most TDs by a Bills QB in decades? With an incomplete starting cast, 9 new starters around him, in his second year? I mean it’s ok, you don’t have to be sold fully, but he deserves more respect than a C. He only had 20 TD's all year. Not sure were the 21 TD's comes from. And from week 5-17 he threw for over 250 yd's 2 times (300 zero times). He completed less than 60% of his passes 5 times. QB rating in 60's 4 times. The team was 7-5. He was not dominant. He was a game manager.
Alphadawg7 Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, ngbills said: He only had 20 TD's all year. Not sure were the 21 TD's comes from. And from week 5-17 he threw for over 250 yd's 2 times (300 zero times). He completed less than 60% of his passes 5 times. QB rating in 60's 4 times. The team was 7-5. He was not dominant. He was a game manager. Oh boy, another person who wants to take his rushing TDs off his stat sheet because only his throwing TDs count for you. Guess we should remove Lamars rushing impact too right? A TD is worth the same running it in or throwing it in. And maybe if we didn’t have scrubs like Zay, McKenzie, Foster, etc rotating as our starters opposite Brown all year, or if we didn’t lead the NFL in dropped passes, or half a season where his 3 starting WRs weren’t an average of 5’-10” etc some of those rushing TDs May have been throwing TDS. He put up 21 total TDs over that stretch, second ONLY to Lamar. And he was not 7-5, he was 7-4 because not only are you erasing his production, you’re also counting a game which Barkley lost for us as Josh barely played and was all Barkley in week 17. So, sorry your reply is not only missing important facts, it’s also counting inaccurate facts.
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