MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He wore a shirt of a network that called BLM “a farce.” Unless you live under a rock the BLM movement is the single most important thing to black people in this country. If your livelihood depends on black people it’s probably a good idea to support what’s important to them. No one is denying that Gundy is free to believe what he wants. No one is stupid enough though to realize the potential repercussions on the recruiting trail. Ultimately, not supporting what your audience does is a great way to lose your job. It’s been happening in politics for decades. While he’s free to wear the shirt, recruits are free to go elsewhere. That gesture was career suicide. I do agree with alot of what you say, honestly, but you are missing the big picture. Everytime a conservative expresses his opinion, no matter how subtly, he faces immense blowback from corporate and left wing media. It is like a firestorm. Boycotting, censorship, and alot of times people losing their jobs. You almost never see that with left wing individuals expressing themselves. If this is how it is going to be going forward, we are on the precipice of the end of free speech.
Penfield45 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Imagine if the black player lost his starting spot for wearing an MSNBC shirt. since when does MSNBC support and promote fascism ....?
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I’m struggling to see how this is relevant: the point is a person of authority in the public sphere should recognize what is divisive and what is not. Surely so many here are not so obtuse to recognize this simple fact. Freedom of speech and the double standard where Gungy gets treated one way wearing an OAN t shirt on a private fishing trip, and imagine if this would have been a deal at all if that were a CNN t shirt...
TroutDog Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Freedom of speech and the double standard where Gungy gets treated one way wearing an OAN t shirt on a private fishing trip, and imagine if this would have been a deal at all if that were a CNN t shirt... Like I said, a person in the public eye working for an institution who is supposed to be teaching critical thought. Your scenarios are apples and oranges. Not sure how to break it down any more clearly...it’s very simple. There is really no right or wrong when it comes to feelings but there IS when it comes to optics. The hope is even those of us with the most minute abilities to think critically can grasp this fact. Edited June 17, 2020 by TroutDog
Penfield45 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: This is a case study in how the far left does not support free speech. He is a private citizen. He should be able to wear an OAN tee just as much as he should be able to wear an MSNBC or CNN or Young Turks tee without blowback. Conservatives ARE aligned with black families much more so than you would think. They oppose abortion, go to church more so than leftists by a large margin, are pro nuclear family, etc. The only reason this is an issue is that there is a quasi modo French Revolution going on right now, where ANYBODY that steps out of line with the Antifa narrative is destroyed. Conservatives need to screw on their gonads and pull on their big boy pants, this is a war not a skirmish. Does the orange man destroy the antifa insurgents who took over 6 city blocks in Seattle, all the Karen's who chastise people who wont wear a mask outside in open air 20 ft away from anybody, etc. This whole culture war is scary, man. We should be able to have our own views and EXPRESS THEM without fear of losing our livlihoods... this man said "antifa narritive" hahahaha have a look folks, someone that has been utterly brainwashed by the right wing media he is trying so hard to embarrassingly defend. 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: This "blowback" your referencing is literally based on people's perception, and opinion of OAN. So, you're saying that Gundy should have the freedom to wear a T-shirt, but others should't have the freedom to express their opinion about it? How is that not a double standard? Do you see people lining up to destroy Hollywood celebrities over wearing Che t shirts? How about mayors of cities that honeymoon in Cuba during the cold war? 1
Beast Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: since when does MSNBC support and promote fascism ....? MSNBC supports Socialistic and Communistic views. 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TroutDog said: Like I said, a person in the public eye working for an institution who is supposed to be teaching critical thought. Your scenarios are apples and oranges. Not sure how to break it down any more clearly...it’s very simple. Critical thought involves being open to differing views on major subjects. Do you think we should just take the narrative of BLM as gospel, or analyze it critically? 1
oldmanfan Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Imagine if the black player lost his starting spot for wearing an MSNBC shirt. I’m sorry, did Gundy lose his spot? No. What he did was learn something.
Rob's House Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: since when does MSNBC support and promote fascism ....? I know you think you said something clever, but what you really said is that it's only okay when it's something you don't like.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: this man said "antifa narritive" hahahaha have a look folks, someone that has been utterly brainwashed by the right wing media he is trying so hard to embarrassingly Does Antifa have the best interests of our country in mind when they infiltrate BLM protests and turn them into full blown race riots?
oldmanfan Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Critical thought involves being open to differing views on major subjects. Do you think we should just take the narrative of BLM as gospel, or analyze it critically? then I suggest you do what I did and actually sit down and talk with some black folks in your community. That is if you’re open to hearing differing views. Opened my eyes quite a bit. 1 2
Beast Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I’m sorry, did Gundy lose his spot? No. What he did was learn something. Yeah, he learned to keep his views to himself. That's a good thing in your world, right? The Liberal world of everyone that doesn't agree with our views is intolerant. Edited June 17, 2020 by Beast 1
Rob's House Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I’m sorry, did Gundy lose his spot? No. What he did was learn something. Nice dodge. What did he learn?
TroutDog Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Critical thought involves being open to differing views on major subjects. Do you think we should just take the narrative of BLM as gospel, or analyze it critically? Ok, spinning your argument is part of the problem. You have restated what I said previously and asked me the same. Silly, in my opinion. Goodnight.
oldmanfan Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Does Antifa have the best interests of our country in mind when they infiltrate BLM protests and turn them into full blown race riots? Do any violent protestors, right wing or left wing?
Penfield45 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beast said: MSNBC supports Socialistic and Communistic views. no they don't lol They promote garbage neoliberalism. and nice try trying to compare socialism to right wing fascism, you know the kind America tried to take down in WWII. 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I know you think you said something clever, but what you really said is that it's only okay when it's something you don't like. so what you are saying right now is fascism is perfectly ok and that we should embrace it with open arms? yea no. you show up supporting something like that you deserve all the backlash coming to you. I'm sorry.
Beast Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: no they don't lol They promote garbage neoliberalism. and nice try trying to compare socialism to right wing fascism, you know the kind America tried to take down in WWII. Yeah they do. LOL (I had to include that LOL for effect) The Left is a flat out joke just as Black Lives Matter is a false narrative. When the little black children or black adults being killed in gang wars by black adults matter, ONLY THEN will black lives matter. Until then, it is FAKE. Edited June 17, 2020 by Beast 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: then I suggest you do what I did and actually sit down and talk with some black folks in your community. That is if you’re open to hearing differing views. Opened my eyes quite a bit. I am married to a black women. Have been for 10 years now. And you are absolutely right, it has been an eye opening experience in my life, for the better I might add. Changed ALOT of my viewpoints. Exposed alot of my flaws. Made me better as a man. Much more open minded. 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Do any violent protestors, right wing or left wing? No. All rioters are wrong, no matter the side. 1
oldmanfan Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Beast said: Yeah, he learned to keep his views to himself. That's a good thing in your world, right? The Liberal world of everyone that doesn't agree with our views is intolerant. I’m far from liberal. Gundy learned that OAN really offends some of his players. 1
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