Chef Jim Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yeah....like hw about big rubber suits for the Cops to wear so that bullets will bounce right off of them! I'm sure the wives of all these officers will be thrilled to send their husbands off to work as long as they have their big rubber suit to protect them. That'll work...problem solved. I assume Greg is the same type of person who is against cops wearing military style protective gear. Maybe they should roll up in a tank and knock down the door with that. ?
ARS Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Been at work all day and I’m going to respond to some of these posts later when I have some time. Off topic I’m clearly more left than this board. This place definitely seem right leaning. But it is important to have these discussions. Talking in our echo chambers is not going to lead to change. I disagree with the responses to my posts but most of them have been respectful. I definitely want to address the systemic racism point. I think some of the posters on here are downplaying this. 3
Reality Check Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ARS said: Been at work all day and I’m going to respond to some of these posts later when I have some time. Off topic I’m clearly more left than this board. This place definitely seem right leaning. But it is important to have these discussions. Talking in our echo chambers is not going to lead to change. I disagree with the responses to my posts but most of them have been respectful. I definitely want to address the systemic racism point. I think some of the posters on here are downplaying this. What inspired you to join today?
ARS Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Reality Check said: What inspired you to join today? I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. 1
Chandemonium Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, GregPersons said: This is why I feel like we're close. The cops are the ones in possession of the view of the larger picture; he is the confused person, he is firing out of fear and desperation. They have the protective gear — shields, helmets, armor — and he has a civilian firearm, right? (I know they're serving a warrant. I'm saying theoretically as a solution, cops could be in more armor/have protection, without needing to have offensive firepower.) We should be able to expect more from cops to prevent violence rather than excusing them for the violence they perpetuate. The idea that it could've been worse, or it's understandable from a certain point of view — imo that is all kinda unacceptable now. It's jut not good enough. My honest feeling, and obviously I'm not alone on this, is that I question all of it. I question the use of deadly force in the biggest most general sense for police, and ask why? Why does it have to be that way? It's worked elsewhere with unarmed police just fine. Just what I've seen personally locally in LA County, I've yet to ever read a story about a police shooting that seemed absolutely necessary. I am struggling to conjure any example of a situation where the police didn't appear to instigate the situation toward violent ends. Idk. We agree that this case shouldn’t have happened, but if you think the answer to preventing similar situations in the future is to disarm the police and then weigh them down in bulky armor, effectively making them sitting ducks then we couldn’t be further apart. 1
GregPersons Posted June 13, 2020 Author Posted June 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: We agree that this case shouldn’t have happened, but if you think the answer to preventing similar situations in the future is to disarm the police and then weigh them down in bulky armor, effectively making them sitting ducks then we couldn’t be further apart. Police should be trained in de-escalation above all else. That's the position I am holding. Reducing the weaponry from police — again, armed police is not the case in EU, AU, CA — admittedly their population is less armed — but you don't de-escalate a situation by coming in and pointing guns. That means you either control the situation immediately — and I'm saying if that's the case, police could've done so without the weapons and just in numbers and non-lethal physical coercion — or as in this case the situation spirals out of control immediately. There are so many countless innocent deaths caused by accidental police shootings. Since expecting cops to never make a mistake is unrealistic, then instead, maybe they don't all need guns. Maybe those tools can only be in the hands of highly trained and highly disciplined specialists, and not as a standard issue. 1 hour ago, ARS said: I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. Good on ya! Cheers, friend.
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ARS said: Been at work all day and I’m going to respond to some of these posts later when I have some time. Off topic I’m clearly more left than this board. This place definitely seem right leaning. But it is important to have these discussions. Talking in our echo chambers is not going to lead to change. I disagree with the responses to my posts but most of them have been respectful. I definitely want to address the systemic racism point. I think some of the posters on here are downplaying this. We would love to have these discussions. But it's very hard to have a reasonable discussion when someone comes in and the "first words" out of his mouth are: "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF SCUMBAG RACISTS!!!" Not the best way to endear yourself to the community and start an honest discussion. So we are not downplaying the message at all. We are refusing to have a reasonable discussion with a lunatic. 1 hour ago, ARS said: I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. Welcome. I would love an honest debate from someone who sees thing different from me. Unfortunately there is very little reasoning here of late. From both sides. 1
Koko78 Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ARS said: I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. Welcome! Honest debate is great. We have far too few lefties who can string together anything more compelling than ORANGEMANBAD. Just remember, you will be challenged to back your assertions up with facts, not feelings. Oh, and accept that you're going to be called an idiot. Welcome to PPP!
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Welcome! Honest debate is great. We have far too few lefties who can string together anything more compelling than ORANGEMANBAD. Just remember, you will be challenged to back your assertions up with facts, not feelings. Oh, and accept that you're going to be called an idiot. Welcome to PPP! And let me clarify. By idiot we mean "we love you!" We tend to make up new meanings for words here.
Reality Check Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, ARS said: I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. Are you saying that there are only two sides to a story?
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Chef Jim said: And let me clarify. By idiot we mean "we love you!" We tend to make up new meanings for words here. That's it, you're now defunded.
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: That's it, you're now defunded. Thanks. The check arrived yesterday! ?
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Thanks. The check arrived yesterday! ? Did I defund you enough? Have you thought about signing up for automatic defunding?
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Did I defund you enough? Have you thought about signing up for automatic defunding? You overdefunded me. I’m sending you a bill for the balance. And I don’t like autopay. I hate writing those deposit slips (google it kids) let’s go with ACH instead.
KRC Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 13 hours ago, ARS said: I been a Bills fan my entire life. I also been a lurker on The Stadium Wall for years. Never visited this section of the board until a few days ago and I saw posts that I massively disagreed with. I wanted to have a good faith debate/discussion on some of these important issues. IMO you have to be able to listen to the other side if you want to fully be informed. As others have mentioned, we have been inundated with trolls lately, making reasonable discourse difficult. However, there are a few left-leaning posters here who are valuable contributors and we can have excellent, reasonable debates on issues. @Doc Brown and @RealKayAdams are perfect examples. I hope to add you to that list of excellent left-leaning posters. 1 1
B-Man Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Rand Paul Introduces ‘Justice For Breonna Taylor Act’ Banning No-Knock Warrants 1
billsfan1959 Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, B-Man said: Rand Paul Introduces ‘Justice For Breonna Taylor Act’ Banning No-Knock Warrants As I stated earlier in this thread, I am not an advocate of completely banning no knock warrants. They should be available in extreme cases where officers are trying to apprehend violent offenders and it would reduce the risk of injuries to officers. I am in favor of banning it for any other reason.
Dante Posted June 14, 2020 Posted June 14, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 7:11 PM, GregPersons said: I'm not convinced this was a misspelling. Black people are plaque? On white society, you mean? Covid 19=Plague We all need a good laugh. Well this guy makes me LOL all the time. This is a REAL comic not the phonies like Kimmel, Fallon etc that need a team of 20 writers. His comments on all this stuff is hilarious 1
GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Author Posted June 15, 2020 2 men in CA both hung from trees. Both ruled "suicide" with little investigation. 10 days / 50 miles apart. KKK sightings in the area. How many cops are in the KKK? This might reveal some.
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