Minnesota Police disbanded

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

Record yourself saying your posts from this thread, out loud -- no name, no location -- and send it to me. I'll pay you for your work. Maybe Sheldon will appreciate seeing a fan in the compilation.

 

No need.  Mr. Steele said it with more eloquence and authority than I (and even you at present since I assume you're young) could.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, GregPersons said:

 

Honey, I've given you the answer multiple times and watched your brain selectively not receive it, each and every time. This is now quiz time, hot shot. 

 

You're dodging and dodging and dodging....

 

I've been logged on now for an hour, and neither you or @Cinga have responded to this. It shouldn't take more than a sentence or two to define "racism" and "racist." I shouldn't have to ask you again. I'm logging off now (just so Cinga doesn't worry) so, when I log back on, if you want to continue with me, you need to first supply these definitions. I'd also appreciate if you signed up and confirmed you will participate in expressing your thoughts out loud, on camera.

 

Since you now have more than enough time, you are completely out of excuses. What is racism? What is a racist? Feel free to tell me how I am being racist, as well.

Is that all it takes to not have to converse with you?

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I rewatched Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary back in January but made the mistake of binge watching it.  It was overwhelmingly, depressingly educational.  Too much so to do without some recovery between.   That was the depth of how screwed up things could get and how poor leadership can get us there.  

 

Thank goodness despite what some wish to say, we aren't near that level of fubar yet.

 

I watched it about a year ago but not binge style. I remember seeing the cops wailing on people with Billy clubs in Chicago.  I remember thinking it's good we've gotten past this and will not likely see it again.  But I'll be doggone, I'm seeing it now.

[Cinga]

5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Is that all it takes to not have to converse with you?

 

Yeah, it took me a little while to realize this. This guy is just another re-incarnation of an idiot who thinks of himself as superior to others and like to try and answer questions with questions to prove it. It's his way of trying to call someone out for exactly what he himself is doing

Edited June 8, 2020 by Cinga

[B-Man]

 

 

Ahhhhh, the voice of reason.

Democrat Ilhan Omar: Defund Minneapolis Police, They’re ‘Cancer,’ ‘We Don’t Want Your Damn Reforms’

Original Article

 

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for defunding the Minneapolis Police Department on Sunday, saying that they were a “cancer” and that the department was “rotten to the root.”“Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet we are still getting killed, brutalized, surveilled, massley [sic] incarcerated, and we are still having conversations with our children on how to have a conversation with the people

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Ahhhhh, the voice of reason.

Democrat Ilhan Omar: Defund Minneapolis Police, They’re ‘Cancer,’ ‘We Don’t Want Your Damn Reforms’

Original Article

 

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for defunding the Minneapolis Police Department on Sunday, saying that they were a “cancer” and that the department was “rotten to the root.”“Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet we are still getting killed, brutalized, surveilled, massley [sic] incarcerated, and we are still having conversations with our children on how to have a conversation with the people

 

Well, she also married her own brother, so, there's that...

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Ahhhhh, the voice of reason.

Democrat Ilhan Omar: Defund Minneapolis Police, They’re ‘Cancer,’ ‘We Don’t Want Your Damn Reforms’

Original Article

 

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for defunding the Minneapolis Police Department on Sunday, saying that they were a “cancer” and that the department was “rotten to the root.”“Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet we are still getting killed, brutalized, surveilled, massley [sic] incarcerated, and we are still having conversations with our children on how to have a conversation with the people

 

 

 

Someone should explain to her that no police are going to break into her home to see if she's still ***** her brother. She's safe.

[Tiberius]

Protests against the use of deadly force by police swept across the country in 2015.

Demonstrators marched in Chicago, turned chaotic in Baltimore, and occupied the area outside a Minneapolis police station for weeks. Protesters repeatedly took to the streets of Ferguson, Mo., where a white police officer had killed a black teenager the previous year and fueled anew a national debate about the use of force and how police treat minorities.

That year, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

 

A dozen high-profile fatal encounters that have galvanized protests nationwide

With the issue flaring in city after city, some officials vowed to reform how police use force.

The next year, however, police nationwide again shot and killed nearly 1,000 people. Then they fatally shot about the same number in 2017 — and have done so for every year after that, according to The Post’s ongoing count. Since 2015, police have shot and killed 5,400 people.

The Washington Post’s police shootings database

This toll has proven impervious to waves of protests, such as those now flooding American streets in the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of police in Minneapolis. The number killed has remained steady despite fluctuating crime rates, changeovers in big-city police leadership and a nationwide push for criminal justice reform.

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Protests against the use of deadly force by police swept across the country in 2015.

Demonstrators marched in Chicago, turned chaotic in Baltimore, and occupied the area outside a Minneapolis police station for weeks. Protesters repeatedly took to the streets of Ferguson, Mo., where a white police officer had killed a black teenager the previous year and fueled anew a national debate about the use of force and how police treat minorities.

That year, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

 

A dozen high-profile fatal encounters that have galvanized protests nationwide

With the issue flaring in city after city, some officials vowed to reform how police use force.

The next year, however, police nationwide again shot and killed nearly 1,000 people. Then they fatally shot about the same number in 2017 — and have done so for every year after that, according to The Post’s ongoing count. Since 2015, police have shot and killed 5,400 people.

The Washington Post’s police shootings database

This toll has proven impervious to waves of protests, such as those now flooding American streets in the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of police in Minneapolis. The number killed has remained steady despite fluctuating crime rates, changeovers in big-city police leadership and a nationwide push for criminal justice reform.

So, we have about 49 million blacks here in the USA. How many of the approximately 1000 who are killed by police officers each year are not armed and threatening the life of the officer?

[billsfan1959]

27 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Ahhhhh, the voice of reason.

Democrat Ilhan Omar: Defund Minneapolis Police, They’re ‘Cancer,’ ‘We Don’t Want Your Damn Reforms’

Original Article

 

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for defunding the Minneapolis Police Department on Sunday, saying that they were a “cancer” and that the department was “rotten to the root.”“Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet we are still getting killed, brutalized, surveilled, massley [sic] incarcerated, and we are still having conversations with our children on how to have a conversation with the people

 

Well, we’ve had a black president, we’ve had a Congressional Black Caucus, we’ve had black mayors, we’ve had black governors, and we’ve had black city councilmembers, we’ve had black police chiefs, yet citizens in black communities are still, overwhelmingly, getting victimized, brutalized, and killed by young black men...

[B-Man]

 

 George Korda in USA Today:. Democrats have run Minneapolis for generations. Why is there still systemic racism?

On social media the other day, in discussions of George Floyd’s death, I saw an increasing number of references from Democrats and Democratic friends about the problem of systemic racism. I wrote the following post, citing only a few municipal examples:

 

“Below are pertinent questions, given the way the Democratic Party defines itself as being the party of tolerance and inclusion, and many Democrats’ characterizations of Republicans or conservatives as racists or racially insensitive.

 

“Minneapolis, Minn. has been under Democratic control since 1978. Chicago has been under Democratic control for 89 years; its present mayor is a black woman. Philadelphia has had Democratic mayors for 68 years; three of its last five mayors have been black men. Six of the last seven Atlanta, Ga., mayoral administrations were led by black Democratic mayors, and the present mayor is a black woman.

 

“A city runs its police department and other services; therefore, if there is so much ‘systemic racism’ in these organizations, why hasn’t it been corrected over so many years under Democratic leaders?

 

“Why aren’t these cities garden spots of racial tolerance, understanding, and virtue?”

 

There have been no answers.

 

Nor will there be.

 

 

 

 

 

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[oldmanfan]

It's asinine for any city to disband their police force.  I am a big believer in law and order, and I am solidly behind the police men and women that put their lives on the line every day to protect our communities.  But getting rid of bad apples that stain the work of the vast majority?  Retraining to perhaps emphasize de-escalation vs. confrontation?  Sure.

 

And while we're doing that, time for the leaders in the black community to take on the killing of blacks by blacks.  That is a tragedy in need of resolution.

[Gary M]

16 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

im not conservative, and who knows what you are besides a troll.  This is a very dumb idea that will never happen, and if Minneapolis attempts to do it, the process of implementing it will fail.

 

Well to be fair, if they go through with it Minneapolis will disappear, so either way problem solved.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

16 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Oh God, I'm so sorry... I keep forgetting you have the ego of an eggshell.

 

You're not a Nazi. You don't have the uniform. You just support minority populations being imprisoned and executed systemically as long as it doesn't affect you. Very different! 

Do you support Planned Parenthood?

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It's asinine for any city to disband their police force.  I am a big believer in law and order, and I am solidly behind the police men and women that put their lives on the line every day to protect our communities.  But getting rid of bad apples that stain the work of the vast majority?  Retraining to perhaps emphasize de-escalation vs. confrontation?  Sure.

 

And while we're doing that, time for the leaders in the black community to take on the killing of blacks by blacks.  That is a tragedy in need of resolution.

 

We are at a point right now where reasonable voices are being shamed or bullied into silence or conformity....

[B-Man]

Look on Alysin Camerota’s face as Minneapolis City Council President describes not wanting to be robbed as ‘privilege’ is PRICELESS (watch)

[Gary M]

13 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

You do realize that local police forces are designed and overseen by local communities? The Federal Government and even the State have very little oversight on requirements/ training/ budget of police departments. The very reason for local authorities to be in charge of the police force is to have local people responsible and accountable for the results. The goal is community policing.

 

There are more than 17,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the United States, ranging in size from one officer to more than 30,000. Many of these are municipal police departments operated by local governments.

 

Local Police includes municipal, county, tribal, and regional police that derive authority from the local governing body that created it. There is no federal standard requirement to be a municipal police officer. Each municipality is responsible for setting those standards for its own police force.The primary purpose is to uphold the laws of the jurisdiction, provide patrol, and investigate local crimes.

 

This would mean that the mayors of Minneapolis and it's City Council are responsible for the actions and outcomes of it's police force. If the Minneapolis Police force has a tainted record, and 'bad cops' are allowed to continue being employed, then it is on the Mayor and City Council. Chauvin had 15-17 prior complaints (varies by outlet). Obviously he was a problem and a 'bad cop'.

 

Let's look at all the 'racist, NAZI, Conservative' mayors (to use your terms) who have been in charge of Minneapolis who have allowed the Minneapolis PD to become corrupt and abuse its power:

41	Albert Hofstede	January 1, 1974	December 31, 1975	Democratic Farmer Labor
42	Charles Stenvig	January 1, 1976	December 31, 1977	Independent
43	Albert Hofstede	January 1, 1978	December 31, 1979	Democratic Farmer Labor
44	Donald M. Fraser	January 1, 1980	December 31, 1993	Democratic Farmer Labor
45	Sharon Sayles Belton	January 1, 1994	December 31, 2001	Democratic Farmer Labor
46	R. T. Rybak	January 1, 2002	December 31, 2013	Democratic Farmer Labor
47	Betsy Hodges	January 1, 2014	January 2, 2018	Democratic Farmer Labor
48	Jacob Frey	January 2, 2018		Democratic Farmer Labor

 

Hmmm 46 strait years without a 'racist, NAZI' in the bunch. What a conundrum....

 

Obviously the City Council must be dictating how the mayor handles this situation, it must be full of racist, NAZI conservatives, right?

Ward	Name	Neighborhoods	Party
1	Kevin Reich	Audubon Park, Columbia Park, Como, Holland, Logan Park, Marshall Terrace, Northeast Park, Waite Park, Windom Park.	DFL
2	Cam Gordon	Cedar-Riverside, Como, Cooper, Longfellow, Prospect Park, Seward, University	Green
3	Steve Fletcher	Beltrami, Bottineau, Downtown East, Downtown West, Marcy Holmes, Nicollet Island/East Bank, North Loop, St. Anthony East, St. Anthony West, Sheridan	DFL
4	Phillipe Cunningham	Cleveland, Folwell, Jordan, Lind-Bohanon, Shingle Creek, Victory, Webber-Camden	DFL
5	Jeremiah Ellison	Harrison, Hawthorne, Jordan, Near North, North Loop, Sumner-Glenwood, Willard-Hay	DFL
6	Abdi Warsame	Cedar-Riverside, Elliot Park, Phillips West, Seward, Stevens Square, Ventura Village	DFL
7	Lisa Goodman	Bryn Mawr, Cedar-Isles-Dean, Downtown West, East Isles, Elliot Park, Kenwood, Loring Park, Lowry Hill, Stevens Square	DFL
8	Andrea Jenkins	Bancroft, Bryant, Central, Field, King Field, Lyndale, Northrop, Regina	DFL
9	Alondra Cano	Central, Corcoran, East Phillips, Longfellow, Midtown Phillips, Powderhorn Park	DFL
10	Lisa Bender	Carag, East Calhoun, East Harriet, Lowry Hill East, Whittier	DFL
11	Jeremy Schroeder	Diamond Lake, Hale, Keewaydin, Northrop, Page, Tangletown, Wenonah, Windom	DFL
12	Andrew Johnson	Ericsson, Hiawatha, Howe, Keewaydin, Minnehaha, Morris Park, Standish	DFL
13	Linea Palmisano	Armatage, East Harriet, Fulton, Kenny, Linden Hills, Lynnhurst, West Calhoun	DFL

 

Well I am confused. Not a Republican among them.

 

How then did the Minneapolis PD become so bad under the 'benevolent watch' of the Democrat Party for 46 years?

 

 

 

If we need "Systematic change"  we need to change the people who created and run the current systems.

[Westside]

57 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Protests against the use of deadly force by police swept across the country in 2015.

Demonstrators marched in Chicago, turned chaotic in Baltimore, and occupied the area outside a Minneapolis police station for weeks. Protesters repeatedly took to the streets of Ferguson, Mo., where a white police officer had killed a black teenager the previous year and fueled anew a national debate about the use of force and how police treat minorities.

That year, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

 

A dozen high-profile fatal encounters that have galvanized protests nationwide

With the issue flaring in city after city, some officials vowed to reform how police use force.

The next year, however, police nationwide again shot and killed nearly 1,000 people. Then they fatally shot about the same number in 2017 — and have done so for every year after that, according to The Post’s ongoing count. Since 2015, police have shot and killed 5,400 people.

The Washington Post’s police shootings database

This toll has proven impervious to waves of protests, such as those now flooding American streets in the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of police in Minneapolis. The number killed has remained steady despite fluctuating crime rates, changeovers in big-city police leadership and a nationwide push for criminal justice reform.

So the new Democrats who pushed the old Democrats out of office has failed again?

[Deranged Rhino]

17 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

We are at a point right now where reasonable voices are being shamed or bullied into silence or conformity....

 

I would feel bad for those reasonable voices, but they're the ones who empowered the mob in the first place. Sucks to reap what you sow -- but hopefully it shakes some of them awake so they realize the Faustian deal they've been making for the past several years. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

We are at a point right now where reasonable voices are being shamed or bullied into silence or conformity....

The problem in most issues facing our country right now is that no one is willing to recognize that there are no absolute right or wrong answers.  Compromise used to be a good thing and now it is looked upon as some kind of evil.

 

I walked in a protest walk in my town the other day.  I did so because we have got to come together as a society.  There are not many black individuals in my city, but those that I know well and am proud to call my friends have shared experiences of how they are pulled over routinely for traffic stops in our town, when they have done nothing wrong.  My daughters have seen the same thing with their friends.  I know one young black man who was the star of the high school musical, he was the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera, and he got hassled by some because he was a black kid playing that role.  The black community has a lot they have to work on themselves, but as a 64 year old white guy who has never had to deal with the crap many black men and women deal with, I felt it was time to show my support and actually listen to what's going on out there. 

 

And it was the experience of a friend of my daughter, who like my daughter is adopted and of Asian heritage, that finally convinced me I can't just sit on the sidelines.  Her friend went into a grocery store to run an errand, asked a white clerk for help, and the white clerk told her that she can't wait on people like her.  If it had been my daughter, I can't begin to think what I would have done; getting her fired would have been the first step.  Different minority, but similar prejudice.

 

So I walked.  And I was the oldest person there.  And the mostly kids I was walking with chanted, but were respectful and the folks along the route downtown were as well.  And as I walked, I made sure to thank each police officer I met along the route for the horrifically difficult job they do each and everyday protecting me and my family and my community.  As did a number of the young folks. 

 

it is a time to stop and think, a time to discuss calmly and rationally, a time to recognize and value peaceful protest while recognizing looters and rioters and scum like the guy that shot the Las Vegas officer in the back of the head deserve the maximum punishment, a time for police forces and unions to acknowledge they have some guys that should not be wearing the badge and that hen they break the law they too should be held accountable.  It is a time for us to all listen to the other guy and put ourselves in his or her shoes.