Minnesota Police disbanded

[Capco]

3 minutes ago, mead107 said:

Why now. 10 years he could have made a difference.   
 

let’s start fresh with someone that really wants to make a difference.  
 

mr idiot blaming everyone but himself. 
goes for a lot of the leaders on both sides. 

 

Look man, I get how passionate we can get about our political beliefs.  And the latest generation of politicians has been incredibly lackluster on both sides.  

 

Politics will invariably play a part in the solution, but it's a lot more than just politics.  

 

Without passing blame to one side, do you at least think I brought up some good points?  Again, as other posters have said, if we can define the problem we can solve it.  And the solution isn't just as simple as voting for the right guy to fix our problems for us.  We're gonna have to roll up our sleeves as a nation and work together as one (E Pluribis Unum) if we want to make legitimate change in the outcomes our fellow citizens.  

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Playing the blame game indefinitely is what politicians want us to do. Look at all the leaders in Congress pretending to be outraged today, staging photo ops of them bending a knee. These people, like Pelosi and Schumer and Nadler and many more have been in power, with the ability to change things, for decades. Yet they've done nothing. Why? 

 

Because the blame game keeps them in power and us fighting with one another. 

 

Fixing problems is not on their agenda. 

 

Want real change? Vote them out. Don't fall in line with their latest propaganda ploy.

 

This would be an excellent post... if you didn't fall entirely in line with the blame game they want you to play.  You listed 3 Democrats and no Republicans or Independents. 

 

But that's not a blame game to you, thems just the facts amirite?

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

This would be an excellent post... if you didn't fall entirely in line with the blame game they want you to play.  You listed 3 Democrats and no Republicans or Independents. 

 

But that's not a blame game to you, thems just the facts amirite?

 

In all of my posting I'm always pointing out the rot is on both sides of the aisle. On this issue there's no debate. However, you're missing the point. One side is weaponizing this at this moment in time -- it's the establishment (which covers all manner of partisans). They're weaponizing it not because they care about this issue or the people, they clearly care about neither, but because they have nothing left to offer. 

 

Keeping us fighting with each other, rather than casting the blame, perpetuates the cycle. 40+ long term GOPers have been rousted from office in the last four years. They've been cleaning their own stables -- with more work to do. The DNC has not even begun. 

 

 

They're shameless. And deserved to be called out as such.

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

In all of my posting I'm always pointing out the rot is on both sides of the aisle.

 

Except the post I just quoted.  

 

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

One side is weaponizing this at this moment in time -- it's the establishment (which covers all manner of partisans)

 

Fair enough.

 

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

40+ long term GOPers have been rousted from office in the last four years. They've been cleaning their own stables -- with more work to do. The DNC has not even begun. 

 

This it somewhat true but it's also not the path forward.  

 

I think most people would agree that politics has become more polarized in the last couple decades.  Both sides have moved further from the center, and the center is where the American tradition of compromise is most effective.  

 

Although the GOP is getting rid of the old guard in some cases, the new guard is just as bad if not worse.  This is because since 2016, the GOP has shifted even further to the right, which is the opposite of what is needed imo.  Instead of compromise, the GOP is becoming more hard line.  

 

And tbh, the same has just started to happen in the Democratic Party since 2018 with the far-left representatives that were elected (AOC, Omar, etc.).  

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Capco said:

Except the post I just quoted.  

 

Because it was referencing a specific event that just took place hours ago and involved only democrats. 

 

 

[mead107]

47 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Look man, I get how passionate we can get about our political beliefs.  And the latest generation of politicians has been incredibly lackluster on both sides.  

 

Politics will invariably play a part in the solution, but it's a lot more than just politics.  

 

Without passing blame to one side, do you at least think I brought up some good points?  Again, as other posters have said, if we can define the problem we can solve it.  And the solution isn't just as simple as voting for the right guy to fix our problems for us.  We're gonna have to roll up our sleeves as a nation and work together as one (E Pluribis Unum) if we want to make legitimate change in the outcomes our fellow citizens.  

 

yes some good points. We can and must work together.  
need good honest community groups to come up with good ideas on what needs to be changed. Then work with local governments. And county and state. 

One of the Best place to start is set term for Congress and the senate.   They make the laws. 
also lower their  pay and no pension.  
health care should be same as ours. 
it should not be a life time job. 
We need to get younger in the government with fresh ideas.  

we can define the problem but, laws have to pass at all levels of government. 
 

Old people need to retire. 
 

 

[Capco]

5 minutes ago, mead107 said:

yes some good points. We can and must work together.  
need good honest community groups to come up with good ideas on what needs to be changed. Then work with local governments. And county and state. 

One of the Best place to start is set term for Congress and the senate.   They make the laws. 
also lower their  pay and no pension.  
health care should be same as ours. 
it should not be a life time job. 
We need to get younger in the government with fresh ideas.  

we can define the problem but, laws have to pass at all levels of government. 
 

Old people need to retire. 

 

I'm a lefty and we are more in agreement than the powers that be would like us to believe.  

 

I agree that their healthcare should be the same as ours, but I disagree with your approach.  I'd rather every American have better healthcare than they have now instead of reducing the politicians' healthcare to our levels (within reasonable expenditure limits of course).  

 

Everything else I agree 100% with.  

Edited June 8, 2020 by Capco

[Beast]

The truth:

 

As long as human beings are Police Officers, there will be Police brutality, shootings of unarmed men, racism and donut shortages at 8:30 am at your local Dunkin' Donuts.

 

Police training is not the issue. Though more training is always good, it is not the root of this issue.

 

Humanity is.

 

 Create the perfect human being, clone it about 800,000 times, and make them all police officers.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Beast

[mead107]

Just now, Capco said:

 

I'm a lefty and we are more in agreement than the powers that be would like us to believe.  

 

I agree that their healthcare should be the same as ours, but I disagree with your approach.  I'd rather every American have better healthcare than they have now instead of reducing their healthcare to our levels (within reasonable expenditure limits of course).  

 

Everything else I agree 100% with.  

Our Medicare and a supplement cost a lot. 
 

even when I worked at ge still had a cost for insurance. Not free.  
better healthcare for all would be great.  

 

I’m more right than left but, do see both sides. 
just wish the Democrats would have picked a younger person. 

[Capco]

Just now, mead107 said:

just wish the Democrats would have picked a younger person. 

 

Saaaaaaame...

[Johnnycage46]

22 hours ago, GregPersons said:

All of the Nazis and small-thinkers and former cops and racists here said it couldn't be done.  Isn't it amazing? Conservatives love to tout the 50 state "experiment" but have no imagination for any further developments. All thinking for this board ended firmly in the 1700 or 1800s.

 

 

"Oh no, they're defunding the police? the world is ending" -- people who haven't cared about defunding social programs for 50 years.

 

Hey @billsfan1959 this again seems like a good chance for you to defend police with your personal experience as one. You want to share your information yet? Would love to talk to some or your old coworkers too, happy to make phone calls and emails. Do you have children? Are they embarrassed of you? Just wondering how our resident cop is handling this very difficult time. 

 

Maybe move there and let us know how things are going in maybe a year...or heck, in a day, when you need the help of a police officer.  Good luck, bud!

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

Or even just a competent person.

 

That seems to be a lot to ask in this day and age.  There are certainly competent people out there, but getting them into politics is tougher than ever.  It's a vicious cycle that needs to stop.  

[Johnnycage46]

22 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Oh God, I'm so sorry... I keep forgetting you have the ego of an eggshell.

 

You're not a Nazi. You don't have the uniform. You just support minority populations being imprisoned and executed systemically as long as it doesn't affect you. Very different! 

 

Did you know the leading cause of death of young black men...is being murdered by young black men?  I keep posting this in every one of your racist, narrow minded, moronic threads but you never respond.  I guess you are scared of facts and being outed as a racist yourself (which has already happened BTW).

[GregPersons]

3 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Did you know the leading cause of death of young black men...is being murdered by young black men?  I keep posting this in every one of your racist, narrow minded, moronic threads but you never respond.  I guess you are scared of facts and being outed as a racist yourself (which has already happened BTW).

 

Actually it's because this is a white supremacist argument I've answered before a number of times. The reason you are bringing it up is because you want to insist that Black people deserve their treatment in American society; you are programmed to believe Black people are naturally more savage, more violent, most lustful, and more sinful in every way. That makes more sense to you than the idea you have been manipulated to think that way.  You're far too smart to be manipulated, and you're pretty sure you'd know if you were. 

 

Bottom line. If you were actually concerned about Black deaths, you wouldn't be using their dead bodies in an argument that their lives don't matter. I know you don't think that's what you're doing, but that is what you are doing. Feel free to correct me by saying you think that black lives matter, police killing innocent black people with impunity is not acceptable, and how you individually plan to combat that, in addition to your concern about Black people's violence to each other. 

[Capco]

7 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Who'd want to put up with it?

 

Tbh, I would like to at some point lol. 

 

I still need to do more to earn the trust of my community (I'm only 31 and it's hard to get elected without experience, and experience comes with age).  

 

Absent some extraordinary circumstance, I will be attending UB's School of Law this fall.  My undergrad is in chemical engineering.  I think after 5-10 years of working in law and in my community, I might take a dip into politics depending on the political climate at the time.  

 

My philosophy is somewhat as follows:  We tend to elect politicians to solve problems.  The only issue is that most politicians aren't actually trained to solve problems.  Engineers, on the other hand, use principles of mathematics and science and then apply them to problem solving.  I think/hope my previous engineering experience, coupled with my eventual legal experience, will make me stand out as a candidate for office.  

 

That's a LOOONG term goal though.  We'll see how things shake out.  First things first is getting through a grueling first-year of law school.  

[Johnnycage46]

12 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

Actually it's because this is a white supremacist argument I've answered before a number of times. The reason you are bringing it up is because you want to insist that Black people deserve their treatment in American society; you are programmed to believe Black people are naturally more savage, more violent, most lustful, and more sinful in every way. That makes more sense to you than the idea you have been manipulated to think that way.  You're far too smart to be manipulated, and you're pretty sure you'd know if you were. 

 

Bottom line. If you were actually concerned about Black deaths, you wouldn't be using their dead bodies in an argument that their lives don't matter. I know you don't think that's what you're doing, but that is what you are doing. Feel free to correct me by saying you think that black lives matter, police killing innocent black people with impunity is not acceptable, and how you individually plan to combat that, in addition to your concern about Black people's violence to each other. 

 

No, this is all hogwash.  Your claim that there is some systematic program wherein black people are targeted for execution is total BS.  If that system were in place....it is a very flawed system.  Because, as I've stated in many of your other racist threads, more white people are killed by cops every year than black people, more unarmed white people are killed by cops every year than unarmed black people, and black people are killed by black people at a very high, and heartbreaking rate.

 

The point of all of this is that you are choosing low-hanging fruit and trying to rage against the machine with the false narrative that black people are targeted for execution by cops, when the data would show that black people have a much higher chance of being killed by another black person.

 

I think a lot of folks ignore this because it poses tough questions and challenges for these communities and it appears easier to blame the "murderous pigs" instead.

 

Get a clue Greg!!!

[Koko78]

43 minutes ago, Beast said:

As long as human beings are Police Officers, there will be Police brutality, shootings of unarmed men, racism and donut shortages at 8:30 am at your local Dunkin' Donuts.

 

You may take our lives, but you'll never take our Crullers!

[GregPersons]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

No, this is all hogwash.  Your claim that there is some systematic program wherein black people are targeted for execution is total BS.  If that system were in place....it is a very flawed system.  Because, as I've stated in many of your other racist threads, more white people are killed by cops every year than black people, more unarmed white people are killed by cops every year than unarmed black people, and black people are killed by black people at a very high, and heartbreaking rate.

 

The point of all of this is that you are choosing low-hanging fruit and trying to rage against the machine with the false narrative that black people are targeted for execution by cops, when the data would show that black people have a much higher chance of being killed by another black person.

 

I think a lot of folks ignore this because it poses tough questions and challenges for these communities and it appears easier to blame the "murderous pigs" instead.

 

Get a clue Greg!!!

 

You're confusing "systemic" with "systematic"

 

You'll notice only you said "systematic" because you're not good at reading. You do it sloppy, and as a result, your comprehension skills are below average. 

 

Do you know the difference between "systemic" and "systematic", Johnny? They overlap, but they are different. Do you understand the distinction and how it relates? Can you say so for the class?

[B-Man]

 

LET’S GET RID OF THE CHICAGO POLICE TOO … NO … WAIT:  

 

“18 Murders in 24 hours:  Inside the most violent day in 60 years in Chicago.”

 

 

 

 

(Some history on how African American neighborhoods really do suffer most when law enforcement officers fail to keep the peace.)

 

 

 

 

 

[Johnnycage46]

31 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

You're confusing "systemic" with "systematic"

 

You'll notice only you said "systematic" because you're not good at reading. You do it sloppy, and as a result, your comprehension skills are below average. 

 

Do you know the difference between "systemic" and "systematic", Johnny? They overlap, but they are different. Do you understand the distinction and how it relates? Can you say so for the class?

Good deflection.

 

Hurts sometimes to be so wrong (I guess....I wouldn't know).  Stop blaming "evil white people" for all of the problems in the minority community.

 

Take some responsibility Gregory.

 

EDIT:  My god, you ARE special.  Your quote which I responded to used the word "systematic"....which I then used in my complete destruction of your weak points.  And you come back saying that I mixed up "systemic" with "systematic"

 

Here's your post that I quoted (bold added for emphasis):

 

  23 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Oh God, I'm so sorry... I keep forgetting you have the ego of an eggshell.

 

You're not a Nazi. You don't have the uniform. You just support minority populations being imprisoned and executed SYSSTEMAAHHTIKLY as long as it doesn't affect you. Very different! 

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Johnnycage46

[Koko78]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

LET’S GET RID OF THE CHICAGO POLICE TOO … NO … WAIT:  

 

“18 Murders in 24 hours:  Inside the most violent day in 60 years in Chicago.”

 

(Some history on how African American neighborhoods really do suffer most when law enforcement officers fail to keep the peace.)

 

Yes, but those 18 murders don't make for good political theater, nor do their pictures make for good political props, so therefore their black lives don't matter.