billsfan1959 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Margarita said: this was posted on another boards political section regarding this issue and I found it very succinct and madea great deal of sense worthy of a repost here I'm not sure why Camden is being held up as a shining example of what a police force can be or in regard to the defunding issues. Camden PD wasn't defunded, it was shutdown to get rid of the police union and recreated with a 56% increase in officers and lower salaries for all officers. I'm not sure if there was even any decrease in funding over all. The primary thing they achieved was getting rid of the police union. Therre was nothing really innovative in how they then went about policing. Communiy policing has been around for a long time and all they did was add more officers to help accomplish that. As far as I can tell all other aspects of training and policy are pretty much the same as most agencies. Camden had the highest crime rate of all cities in NJ before the change and, even though it decreased some, it has remained the city with the highest violent crime rate in NJ since the change. If you lived in any area with the violent crime rate in Camden, I do not think you would be holding up as an example of what to do. Camden was about getting rid of the police union. I don't have a problem with that. But, this idea of an innovative, transformational agency that solved Camden's violent crime problem is pure fiction. 2 1
muppy Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I'm not sure why Camden is being held up as a shining example of what a police force can be or in regard to the defunding issues. Camden PD wasn't defunded, it was shutdown to get rid of the police union and recreated with a 56% increase in officers and lower salaries for all officers. I'm not sure if there was even any decrease in funding over all. The primary thing they achieved was getting rid of the police union. Therre was nothing really innovative in how they then went about policing. Communiy policing has been around for a long time and all they did was add more officers to help accomplish that. As far as I can tell all other aspects of training and policy are pretty much the same as most agencies. Camden had the highest crime rate of all cities in NJ before the change and, even though it decreased some, it has remained the city with the highest violent crime rate in NJ since the change. If you lived in any area with the violent crime rate in Camden, I do not think you would be holding up as an example of what to do. Camden was about getting rid of the police union. I don't have a problem with that. But, this idea of an innovative, transformational agency that solved Camden's violent crime problem is pure fiction. thank you for your post it was posted to further rather than derail a discussion into playing semantics. I appreciate this Just now, Jaraxxus said: Your "view" is irrelevant by any objective standard. The definition of defund is the definition of defund. So says Jaraxxus... so shall it be and the Chef Jim screams AMEN lol Fine. This discussion means squat in terms of what is really happening in the country you just keep on being right though. 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Lock her up is sexist? LOLOLOLOL!!!! No seriously. I literally laughed out loud at that. I mean, a lot of people are assuming it's (the subject's) gender with that chant. Not an assumption I'm willing to make, personally. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Margarita said: what I want? Clairity and perspective as to what defund really means in realistic terms vs what a dictionary says it means.. I’m not concerned with what you want. I’m concerned with why you accept such a diminishingly small amount of personal responsibility that you won’t even accept blame for not articulating what you’re asking for using commonly understood language. How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously? “We want X.“ <others explain massive real world issues with agreeing to do X> “When we said we want X, we didn’t mean we wanted X. We meant something entirely different from X, that requires entirely different words to explain, but it’s your fault for not knowing this.“ GTFOH
muppy Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I’m not concerned with what you want. I’m concerned with why you accept such a diminishingly small amount of personal responsibility that you won’t even accept blame for not articulating what you’re asking for using commonly understood language. How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously? “We want X.“ <others explain massive real world issues with agreeing to do X> “When we said we want X, we didn’t mean we wanted X. We meant something entirely different from X, that requires entirely different words to explain, but it’s your fault for not knowing this.“ GTFOH this is 2 seconds of my life I'll never get back. BLOCK ME 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Margarita said: this is 2 seconds of my life I'll never get back. BLOCK ME No. I think I‘d rather continue to point out childish antics. Act like a grownup or be treated like a child. 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Maybe it's a question best left to @Sig1Hunter @LeviF91 or @billsfan1959, but do law enforcement agencies use the same racial definitions in their reports as the US Census? Or is their a wider selection with different definitions? I'm curious about the impact that potential disparity might have on many of the widely circulated stats. 1
muppy Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No. I think I‘d rather continue to point out childish antics. Act like a grownup or be treated like a child. so says the sellf described smartest man in the room .....pfft I'll block You instead.. 3 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: Or, alternatively, you could follow the advice of Proverbs: "Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent." DITTO
Chef Jim Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Margarita said: I said your defending a dictionary definition of defunding was debunked and Im orwellian it was a dig and in plain sight of a post that very eloquently posted why I posted as I did...listen I can hang it is what it is in these forums. You keep being you and always right. SMH Orewllian: This will go nowhere y'all don't want discussion you want the word to be a mandate. I disagree. And I asked if we are not using the word as it is described, and has been described forever, in the English language then why are we using it? And if you didn't get my Orwellian comment was rude take is up with Mr Orwell's estate. And with what the left is doing with the English language and the words that make it up Orwellian Newspeak is a very appropriate observation and not rude at all.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Margarita said: so says the sellf described smartest man in the room .....pfft I'll block You instead.. Self described is spelled with a single “L”. As for blocking me, I don’t think you have the mental capacity to understand most of the arguments I make; so in essence you doing so is akin to a fish throwing away it’s roller skates. 2
Chef Jim Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Margarita said: lets not and say we did. I'll repeat myself: y'all think its a mandate and it in my view clearly isn't. What is so hard about this? geesh. Sure it's easy. Noooo that's not what we meant at all!!! In the heat of the protests defunding and dismantling is EXACTLY what they meant.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Sure it's easy. Noooo that's not what we meant at all!!! In the heat of the protests defunding and dismantling is EXACTLY what they meant. She’s not smart enough to know this, nor honest enough to admit it if she did. And somehow it’s your fault. Its basically the most cartoonish, cruel, and harmful stereotype of a woman sprung to life on my keyboard.
billsfan1959 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Maybe it's a question best left to @Sig1Hunter @LeviF91 or @billsfan1959, but do law enforcement agencies use the same racial definitions in their reports as the US Census? Or is their a wider selection with different definitions? I'm curious about the impact that potential disparity might have on many of the widely circulated stats. As far as I know, race in all reporting is pretty much the same as the census: White, Black or African American, Asian, American Indian and Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, or some other race; and ethnicity is one of two categories, Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. 1 1
GregPersons Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, Margarita said: this is 2 seconds of my life I'll never get back. BLOCK ME You rock. @Chef Jim is psychotic. @TakeYouToTasker is literally the stupidest person alive. Good for you, Margarita 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: She’s not smart enough to know this, nor honest enough to admit it if she did. And somehow it’s your fault. Its basically the most cartoonish, cruel, and harmful stereotype of a woman sprung to life on my keyboard. You're a sociopath. You're also stupid as *****. Objectively
Chef Jim Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: As far as I know, race in all reporting is pretty much the same as the census: White, Black or African American, Asian, American Indian and Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, or some other race; and ethnicity is one of two categories, Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. How about Ugly? Do they use that because I'm pretty sure I heard the word used when I was in the back of the cruiser that one time. 1
GregPersons Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Sure it's easy. Noooo that's not what we meant at all!!! In the heat of the protests defunding and dismantling is EXACTLY what they meant. You are garbage. This is you, also. Again -- you're trash. I was hoping you were behaving unusually toward me. If you were not White, you'd be in jail if you acted like this in public. Again -- you are human garbage, Jim
Chef Jim Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, GregPersons said: You rock. @Chef Jim is psychotic. @TakeYouToTasker is literally the stupidest person alive. Psychotic Racist Fascist White Supremacist Any other labels you want to put on someone you've never met?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: As far as I know, race in all reporting is pretty much the same as the census: White, Black or African American, Asian, American Indian and Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, or some other race; and ethnicity is one of two categories, Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. So incidents involving someone from the middle east or north Africa are typically classified as white? Or is that at the discretion of the officer?
GregPersons Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Psychotic Racist Fascist White Supremacist Any other labels you want to put on someone you've never met? That's just based on your content here. Seek professional help. You are trash. Based just on the content of your character. You are a drag on society. You are useless. Please go support the Jets or the Pats or anyone else. What's the longest romantic relationship you've ever had? You have a strong "incel" vibe. Tasker too.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, GregPersons said: You rock. @Chef Jim is psychotic. @TakeYouToTasker is literally the stupidest person alive. Good for you, Margarita When you say “stupidest” (Which isn’t a word by the way. The term you’re looking for is “most stupid“. When you’re trying to insult someone’s intelligence, you may wish to consider using real words to do so.) I can only assume you mean something else entirely, given your standard insistence that language is like water, and nothing really means anything anyway. You’re fun to play with. 2 1
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