Buffalo PD assault older gentleman, leave him to bleed

[Mr Info]

59 minutes ago, The Dean said:

...Of course the idea that 90% or any profession (or group) are good, honest, non-racist, etc is nonsense. I can't think of even one profession where that kind of ratio applies. 

I believe that 99% of people in the profession in which I work are honest. But they have to be as there is audit trail documenting their input and actions.

 

If they are found to perform something incorrectly or provide a reason that is inaccurate then they are immediately dismissed. I have seen this occur but it is rare.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Wacka said:

Could it be HIPPA laws? If they did,  it would mean their job.

As K-9 stated the hospital put out his condition that he was in serious and stable condition. It is a generic  categorization of his condition that the hospital is allowed to put out. (If I am wrong on that I would appreciate those in the know to correct me.)  Although there are privacy laws it would be likely that if the individual was faking the seriousness of the injury that information would have leaked out. The tape of the incident clearly showed that this 75 year old fell back and hit his head on the concrete after being pushed by the officer. As I said in a prior post: Trust your eyes. 

 

Let me add my previously stated opinion that I don't believe the officer acted out of malice and with any intent of hurting this confrontational oldster. It's my opinion that the DA jumped to his conclusion in criminally charging the officer because of political expediency. I believe that this incident involving the officer should have been handled within the confines of the police disciplinary system. 

[The Dean]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Really? Do you live in a cave, come out for this video, and go running back in?

 

Two nights ago there were 18 human beings murdered in Chicago, and I think another 12 were shot. Police Officers have been murdered around the nation during these riots and I think there was also a murder in Minesota by a scumbag ex-cop, no?

 

OK, the police officers supporting the 2 fellow officers for pushing and unintentionally injuring this ill advised man constitutes "one the more disgusting things you have seen in some time?" Wow!

 

C'mon Brian.....try to let old personal wounds die.

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

[Bill from NYC]

11 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

Brian, I was referring specifically to this quote: "The police officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time."

 

My point was that I am thinking that there were plenty of more disgusting things very recently, to include the senseless, horrible murder in Minnesota.

 

Sorry if I was not clear enough.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[The Dean]

46 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Brian, I was referring specifically to this quote: "The police officers cheering them outside the courtroom is one of the more disgusting things I've witnessed in some time."

 

My point was that I am thinking that there were plenty of more disgusting things very recently, to include the senseless, horrible murder in Minnesota.

 

Sorry if I was not clear enough.

 

Bill, I have seen many disgusting things the past week-more than I've seen in quite awhile. On that I think we can agree.

[That's No Moon]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Maybe because they were imposing a government mandated curfew and the man approached and even accosted riot police officers. I'm not sure, not  good timing maybe?

So detain him and move on. If they were fine leaving him lying on the ground with blood coming out of his ear then they would have been fine leaving him on the ground with his hands and legs zip tied for the trailing officers to pick up.

 

This is also the danger of allowing the President or whoever else to come out and just label people.  He states that he's going to declare Antifa to be a terrorist organization (I'm going to ignore that the Klu Klux Klan isn't even labeled as a terrorist organization and I'm also going to ignore that the laws are written specifically for FOREIGN terrorist organizations so as not to trample people's Constitutional rights which is WHY the Klan isn't listed).  Then he insinuates that this person is an Antifa operative. Ergo the President of the United States just called this guy a terrorist.  That guy.  He's what we created anti-terrorism laws for?  Read through some of what those laws entail and decide if that's what we want politicians on either side labeling their opposition (American citizens, with rights) and then having the full weight of the federal system behind them to back it up.

 

FTO list and some explanation of what that designation means.

[Bill from NYC]

You make a decent point about the KKK. Imo they SHOULD be a terrorist group and it should have happened from the moment they existed. I do however respectfully point out that Obama had 8 years to do this. That said, I hope that President Trump does declare them as such.

 

Antifa has been delivering pallets of bricks to rioters and paying them to burn and destroy things and people. They ARE terrorists and need to pay the price.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[K-9]

39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You make a decent point about the KKK. Imo they SHOULD be a terrorist group and it should have happened from the moment they existed. I do however respectfully point out that Obama had 8 years to do this. That said, I hope that President Trump does declare them as such.

 

Antifa has been delivering pallets of bricks to rioters and paying them to burn and destroy things and people. They ARE terrorists and need to pay the price.

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by K-9

[Warcodered]

34 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Apparently,  news reports and city officials are refuting these claims and saying that those brick deliveries are for legitimate construction projects:
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/bricks-were-placed-for-construction-not-to-incite-protesters/
 

The White House had removed their own videos once their claims were debunked as well:

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/white-house-forced-retract-claim-viral-videos-prove-antifa-plotting-violence/

 

 

 

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

I forgot all construction had been put on hold for riot week.

[K-9]

12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yeah sure, ok. Cities around the country are getting legitimate brick deliveries in the middle of riots. Got it.

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

[Bill from NYC]

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

Yes, the FBI is always trustworthy.

 

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What’s your news source for the brick deliveries? 
 

Did the White House delete their propaganda because they weren’t debunked?

 

And no, deliveries aren’t made in the middle of the riots. But they are routinely made in cities with riots none the less. Construction projects, many delayed due to shutdowns, have resumed all over the country over the last six weeks. Additionally, the FBI and other investigative agencies have not been able confirm these allegations. At all. 
 

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

What happened in Chicago is entirely irrelevant to the old man being pushed to the concrete by police officers. Different incident, different incidents, different individuals. Not sure why you think that is relevant here.  Indeed that is a disgusting thing. Not sure how it relates to the Buffalo incident in any way.

 

With special privilege comes special responsibility. So when those in power abuse it, I am FAR more infuriated than when those who aren't in power do stupid things. Don't get me wrong,  I think violence started by any faction is typically wrong and unreasonable. But when those entrusted to keep the peace actually start the violence (in a particular setting) it needs to be addressed ASAP, by the others entrusted to do the same. 

 

And I really have no idea what you mean by "old personal wounds".  But if you aren't enraged by the officers letting him bleed on the ground, and not rushing to his aid, then I have to ask, what happened to your humanity? 

One of the PPP lefties was there and estimated the time until medical assistance arrived at 15 seconds.  The guy got pushed away from the cops he was clearly trying to disrupt/scan/whatever.  He had been told multiple times to go away.  He didn't.  He then approached the cops using a phone app to identify them and /or their communications.  Earlier he had been told by protestors to STFU and one commented that the guy was looking to get punched.  It's unfortunate he got hurt but if you think waiting 15 seconds for medical attention is the pinnacle of wrong, I think you're off base.  How long a wait is acceptable to you?  14 seconds?  10?  3?

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

I think they're weak sauce terrorists for the most part because they are mostly screeching wimps.  But at their core they are dime a dozen commies.

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes, the FBI is always trustworthy.

 

Do you think Antifa is legit or are they terrorists?

 

This FBI? Trump’s and Barr’s FBI? They’ve been specifically tasked with finding evidence that Antifa is organizing violence around the country and so far...crickets. I know that must upset Trump and Barr to no end, but not even they can manufacture the evidence they seek. I imagine that’s gotten more difficult since their conflicting lies about the events at Lafeyette Square on June 1st. 
 

I don’t care for Antifa. I think Antifa is a far left organization that the far right is trying desperately to blame for the the violence at these protests around the country. I don’t think they are as organized as people want to give them credit for. I think they’ve contributed no more to the violence than any other group, right or left. I’m open to seeing proof that they have. And no, I’m not so fast and loose with classifying Americans as terrorist groups. I think we need to tread very carefully there. 
 

I’m still interested in seeing your source about the brick deliveries. 

[K-9]

Additional insight into the Antifa narrative. It says volumes that far right groups have been caught creating bogus Antifa accounts on social media in order to stoke the fear and create chaos. Must be those whackos that want another civil war. The more I read about Antifa, the more I think they’re mostly a disorganized feckless group. 
 

https://apple.news/AI-aIoBX2RkG2wt9zt2lmHA

 

[Happy]

30 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This FBI? Trump’s and Barr’s FBI? They’ve been specifically tasked with finding evidence that Antifa is organizing violence around the country and so far...crickets. I know that must upset Trump and Barr to no end, but not even they can manufacture the evidence they seek. I imagine that’s gotten more difficult since their conflicting lies about the events at Lafeyette Square on June 1st. 
 

I don’t care for Antifa. I think Antifa is a far left organization that the far right is trying desperately to blame for the the violence at these protests around the country. I don’t think they are as organized as people want to give them credit for. I think they’ve contributed no more to the violence than any other group, right or left. I’m open to seeing proof that they have. And no, I’m not so fast and loose with classifying Americans as terrorist groups. I think we need to tread very carefully there. 
 

I’m still interested in seeing your source about the brick deliveries. 

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

[The Dean]

25 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Antifa is a lot more organized, and violent, than you give them credit for.  This is a dangerous group that needs to be shut down.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/09/antifa-militants-seize-seattle-police-hq-set-up-autonomous-zone-n512621

I think I’ll take the word of the reporting from The Seattle Times, a news agency with boots on the ground in the actual area where protestors are camping out. No mention of a police department taken over,  no mention of armed patrols. Mention of protests remaining peaceful though with no ISIS like tactics, unless ISIS was into candlelit memorials, street art, spray paint, free snacks for protestors, and medic stations set up by local providers. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-live-updates-for-tuesday-june-9/
 

A Seattle FoxNews report concurs. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone

 

This is the same area and group of protestors that two days ago a white, right wing extremist drove his car into, shot a protestor, ran away with his gun and high volume clip, and was later arrested. 
 

Like I said, I’ll be interested to see any substantiated report that Antifa is organizing any violence at these protests. To date, after 16 days of protests, I haven’t seen one corroborated report of Antifa organized violence. When I do, I’ll be the first to post it here. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

This is half the problem. 

[Happy]

7 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Check your sources. PJ Media is far from reliable. 

 

Not at all true, source is fine.  Here is a link from the city-journal detailing the same thing:

 

https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I think I’ll take the word of the reporting from The Seattle Times, a news agency with boots on the ground in the actual area where protestors are camping out. No mention of a police department taken over,  no mention of armed patrols. Mention of protests remaining peaceful though with no ISIS like tactics, unless ISIS was into candlelit memorials, street art, spray paint, free snacks for protestors, and medic stations set up by local providers. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-live-updates-for-tuesday-june-9/
 

A Seattle FoxNews report concurs. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone

 

This is the same area and group of protestors that two days ago a white, right wing extremist drove his car into, shot a protestor, ran away with his gun and high volume clip, and was later arrested. 
 

Like I said, I’ll be interested to see any substantiated report that Antifa is organizing any violence at these protests. To date, after 16 days of protests, I haven’t seen one corroborated report of Antifa organized violence. When I do, I’ll be the first to post it here. 

 

 

This is half the problem. 

 

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Hundreds of protesters, aided by a sympathetic City Council member, stormed Seattle's City Hall Tuesday night to demand the mayor's resignation, just days after seizing a six-block downtown zone that includes a shuttered police precinct.

 

You can't bury your head in the sand with this group.