Jake Fromm: Controversial comments

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I also want to add that sometimes, the guy you let go who passes the red light could turn out to be drunk when you encounter him, and might not feel like being arrested. This of course would require the use of some kind of force.

Picture you and your partner alone at 2 AM. You see a car pass a red light and nobody is around. Is the driver intox? Maybe. Do you want to find out during these times? Maybe not, especially if you have your "numbers."

I am just trying to paint a realistic situation and again, I think that ultimately, the public will suffer more than police officers will.

The entire situation just sucks.

 

 

Cops can look forward to guarding church parking lots for 8-12 hours, only responding to dispatches, never going above the speed limit even to a hot call.  Policing basically disappears in rural areas this way.

 

Literally no reason to run code at all with the way things are trending.  Warrant with a guy's name and address on it?  Not hitting the house, name might be wrong, address might be wrong.  Traffic stop, guy comes back with a warrant.  Not making that arrest.  That warrant might have been served already, and there's no sense in waiting for ORI to confirm because if for some reason it's been served and they forgot to clear it then suddenly it's an unreasonable amount of time because hey, no warrant.  No foot chases, no car chases; can't take that risk.

 

And that's for the probably ~50% of cops that'll actually stay on after you open them up individually to lawsuits.  

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Well there’s an awful lot in there that is debatable at best (and flat out false at worst). So in order to avoid a useless exchange where we don’t get anywhere, I’ll boil it down to this: your comments don’t at all address the core issue that I asked: it’s either okay to insult someone purely based on their appearance or it isn’t. Period.

 

I think we all know the answer, so it’s pretty hypocritical to pick and choose when it’s okay.

He’s a hateful little person.  He has Napoleon syndrome and acts like he is some alpha male.  I would never act his race, religion (unless he was a complete hypocrite like a some religious people are), sexual identity, etc.  if he was a non hateful, judgemental person would I make fun of him for not being to ride all the rides at Disney world? Of course not. 
 

our “leader” whole “political” platform has been attacking and belittling people. When you use your platform for that and live in double standards, you are going to catch shrapnel.  Some people love to dish it out but can’t take it.  

[C.Biscuit97]

49 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I also want to add that sometimes, the guy you let go who passes the red light could turn out to be drunk when you encounter him, and might not feel like being arrested. This of course would require the use of some kind of force.

Picture you and your partner alone at 2 AM. You see a car pass a red light and nobody is around. Is the driver intox? Maybe. Do you want to find out during these times? Maybe not, especially if you have your "numbers."

I am just trying to paint a realistic situation and again, I think that ultimately, the public will suffer more than police officers will.

The entire situation just sucks.

 

Bill, you are a former police officer correct?  I really respect your passion and even though we have had disagreements, you are always respectful and never get person.  I have a lot of respect for you and your profession. 
 

the majority of cops are great at their jobs and are heroic.  However, let’s not pretend every cop is a hero.  Some are the high school bully who loved having power.  The are the losers putting a guy selling cigarettes in a choke hold.  I believe in LA, it takes 1,000 less training hours to be an officer than a cosmetologist.  That’s absolutely insane.  Getting rid of police is idiotic.  And being a police officer is an extremely difficult job.  But that’s why it should be the best of the best.  You can’t have morons who think they are in their apartment shoot a guy because they are on the wrong floor.  Good cops = heroes.  But there are zero instances where an EMT should get killed in her own house and face zero accountability.  They need to be much better. Respectfully. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

Check this out -  https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/black-buffalo-cop-stopped-another-officers-chokehold-she-was-fired

Wow. Sad but not unexpected. 

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

It strikes me that as someone who has uttered utter contempt for pretty much all police officers, you automatically believe this one particular officer. 

 

Neither of us was there and i take it there is no video. We don't know her disciplinary record, nor how many incidents she herself was involved in, but let's take every word she say at face value and accept it as gospel truth, right?

 

Seriously?

Why would you not believe her? 

[GregPersons]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I also want to add that sometimes, the guy you let go who passes the red light could turn out to be drunk when you encounter him, and might not feel like being arrested. This of course would require the use of some kind of force.

Picture you and your partner alone at 2 AM. You see a car pass a red light and nobody is around. Is the driver intox? Maybe. Do you want to find out during these times? Maybe not, especially if you have your "numbers."

I am just trying to paint a realistic situation and again, I think that ultimately, the public will suffer more than police officers will.

The entire situation just sucks.

 

 

I didn't know you were ex-police but — one of the reasons it is difficult to take cops at their word on anything anymore is — in addition to all of these brutal videos — there's all the small little things that we all just kind of let go with cops. Small things. Like, cops running red lights. Double parking. Whatever. There's all kinds of little things we've all seen cops do to skirt the rules and act above the law. It informs the overall impression that that's how cops feel, in general — above the law. 

[thebandit27]

37 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He’s a hateful little person.  He has Napoleon syndrome and acts like he is some alpha male.  I would never act his race, religion (unless he was a complete hypocrite like a some religious people are), sexual identity, etc.  if he was a non hateful, judgemental person would I make fun of him for not being to ride all the rides at Disney world? Of course not. 
 

our “leader” whole “political” platform has been attacking and belittling people. When you use your platform for that and live in double standards, you are going to catch shrapnel.  Some people love to dish it out but can’t take it.  

So once again, the criteria for “it’s okay to belittle a part of someone’s appearance that they can’t control” is their personality?

 

You realize what you’re implying, right?

[Bill from NYC]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Wow. Sad but not unexpected. 

Why would you not believe her? 

I would not believe or disbelieve her without a complete investigation, to include her past performance/incidents.

She had 19 years on the job. One would think that terminating her would not be easy. I don't know anything about her, or this case, and frankly I doubt if you do either. Were there any witnesses? How was this case decided and by who? Does she have a good or poor disciplinary  record? Any psych referrals? Was there an arbitrator? A judge? Even the person who was arrested is/was a potential witness.

 

In summary, I repeat; I do not automatically disbelieve her  but I think to jump on her side not knowing what happened would also be a big mistake.

9 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

I didn't know you were ex-police but — one of the reasons it is difficult to take cops at their word on anything anymore is — in addition to all of these brutal videos — there's all the small little things that we all just kind of let go with cops. Small things. Like, cops running red lights. Double parking. Whatever. There's all kinds of little things we've all seen cops do to skirt the rules and act above the law. It informs the overall impression that that's how cops feel, in general — above the law. 

I'm sorry that you feel this way.

[GregPersons]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm sorry that you feel this way.

 

Yes, me too.

[C.Biscuit97]

28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

So once again, the criteria for “it’s okay to belittle a part of someone’s appearance that they can’t control” is their personality?

 

You realize what you’re implying, right?

You inferring what you want to infer.  I like your football takes but I think you’re way off here (and you might think the same) and it seems like you’re a fan of his and are getting defensive.  He is irrelevant to me and I don’t care to discuss him anymore.  So I’m moving on.

 

do you think Fromm could be capable of starting in the nfl?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I would not believe or disbelieve her without a complete investigation, to include her past performance/incidents.

She had 19 years on the job. One would think that terminating her would not be easy. I don't know anything about her, or this case, and frankly I doubt if you do either. Were there any witnesses? How was this case decided and by who? Does she have a good or poor disciplinary  record? Any psych referrals? Was there an arbitrator? A judge? Even the person who was arrested is/was a potential witness.

 

In summary, I repeat; I do not automatically disbelieve her  but I think to jump on her side not knowing what happened would also be a big mistake.

I'm sorry that you feel this way.

What is more plausible? A black female police officer getting fired for intervening to stop a white police officer from using a choke hold on a black person being arrested specificallyrelated to putting her fellow officers at risk. Or a 19 year veteran was so bad that she was not fired in the previous 19 years. I will take her word.

I went back and read the report. The classic line of she would no longer have the trust of her fellow officers is plain as day. She broke the code, possibly prevented another fatality,  and lost her job for it.

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You inferring what you want to infer.  I like your football takes but I think you’re way off here (and you might think the same) and it seems like you’re a fan of his and are getting defensive.  He is irrelevant to me and I don’t care to discuss him anymore.  So I’m moving on.

 

do you think Fromm could be capable of starting in the nfl?

I don’t know that I’d call myself a fan, but I do listen on occasion because he’s extremely intelligent and has a unique perspective. And again, it isn’t about him per se. It’s the criticism of someone’s physical appearance when they have no control over it; that’s no more appropriate than criticizing someone for their skin color.

 

As to Fromm, in a timing based offense he can be effective; for how long I’m not sure.

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Sure. Definitions aside, it’s a pretty simple concept: don’t be a jerk.

 

I speak from experience when I say that midget jokes start out as just that, but it isn’t so funny when people almost twice your size are pinning you down so that others can take turns punching you in the privates. So while that stuff may not be as prevalent or generational as racism, they’re cut from the same cloth.

Be glad you got hitched before dating moved to Tinder and Bumble.  *Trigger Warning*: Every girl has a 6'0" or taller requirement.

 

I guess its a good thing for all you guys below the mark that we have been lying to women for centuries about what 6" looks like. At this point they really can't even ballpark 72".   

[C.Biscuit97]

25 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I don’t know that I’d call myself a fan, but I do listen on occasion because he’s extremely intelligent and has a unique perspective. And again, it isn’t about him per se. It’s the criticism of someone’s physical appearance when they have no control over it; that’s no more appropriate than criticizing someone for their skin color.

 

As to Fromm, in a timing based offense he can be effective; for how long I’m not sure.

Kevin Hart has made a whole career out of being little.  Dudes like him, who take themselves so serious, are the problem.  If he could laugh at himself, he would be likable.  But people weren’t forced into slavery because they were short.  You didn’t have to use different bathrooms or sit in the back of the bus.  Asians weren’t put into internment camps because they were little.  Native Americans weren’t forced to walk the trail of tears because of their size.  With all due respect, I think that’s a terrible comparison.  And if you are a guy you goes around trying to divide people, people are going to come back at him.  He may be extremely “intelligent “ (that makes all of his double standards even worse then) but I still backing him down in the paint and getting crazy buckets on that little guy.  

And I watched Fromm since the show QB1.  He seems like the definition of the guy who peaked in college (he had a nice career) but will be new Jeff Tuel/ Peterman where he will have a nice preseason drive, some fans will get super excited, and then he plays a full game and you realize why he went in the 5th.

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Be glad you got hitched before dating moved to Tinder and Bumble.  *Trigger Warning*: Every girl has a 6'0" or taller requirement.

 

I guess its a good thing for all you guys below the mark that we have been lying to women for centuries about what 6" looks like. At this point they really can't even ballpark 72".   

I will say women definitely height discriminate.  I love telling women I’m 5’6” and then watching the conversation stop flowing as good. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[teef]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Kevin Hart has made a whole career out of being little.  Dudes like him, who take themselves so serious, are the problem.  If he could laugh at himself, he would be likable.  But people weren’t forced into slavery because they were short.  You didn’t have to use different bathrooms or sit in the back of the bus because you were little.  The Nazis didn’t round up little Germans.  With all due respect, I think that’s a terrible comparison.  And if you are a guy you goes around trying to divide people, people are going to come back at him.  He may be extremely “intelligent “ (that makes all of his double standards even worse then) but I still backing him down in the paint and getting crazy buckets on that little guy.  
 

And I watched Fromm since the show QB1.  He seems like the definition of the guy who peaked in college (he had a nice career) but will be new Jeff Tuel/ Peterman where he will have a nice preseason drive, some fans will get super excited, and then he plays a full game and you realize why he went in the 5th.

Everything you post is a masterpiece. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Jaraxxus said:

 

I suggest you study history before commenting on it. The Nazis absolutely killed midgets. Why? They killed anyone with a mental or physical defect in order to "protect the purity of the blood."

 

 

Honestly, when I posted that, I did second guess it.  They were psychopaths.   I will retract that.   

[K-9]

Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

 

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

Short people are just the same
As you and I
(A fool such as I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's a wonderful world)

 

Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
To love

 

They got little baby legs
And they stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That got beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time

 

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

 

[thebandit27]

12 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

 

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

Short people are just the same
As you and I
(A fool such as I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's a wonderful world)

 

Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
To love

 

They got little baby legs
And they stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That got beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time

 

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

 

You get a sad face because Randy Newman sucks

35 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Kevin Hart has made a whole career out of being little.  Dudes like him, who take themselves so serious, are the problem.  If he could laugh at himself, he would be likable.  But people weren’t forced into slavery because they were short.  You didn’t have to use different bathrooms or sit in the back of the bus.  Asians weren’t put into internment camps because they were little.  Native Americans weren’t forced to walk the trail of tears because of their size.  With all due respect, I think that’s a terrible comparison.  And if you are a guy you goes around trying to divide people, people are going to come back at him.  He may be extremely “intelligent “ (that makes all of his double standards even worse then) but I still backing him down in the paint and getting crazy buckets on that little guy.  

And I watched Fromm since the show QB1.  He seems like the definition of the guy who peaked in college (he had a nice career) but will be new Jeff Tuel/ Peterman where he will have a nice preseason drive, some fans will get super excited, and then he plays a full game and you realize why he went in the 5th.

I will say women definitely height discriminate.  I love telling women I’m 5’6” and then watching the conversation stop flowing as good. 

I see, so the barometer by which we judge whether or not insulting someone’s appearance is okay is whether or not a wide swathe of the population suffers from it? Guess I’m really struggling to see how there isn’t a huge cognitive dissonance occurring here

Edited June 12, 2020 by thebandit27

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

You get a sad face because Randy Newman sucks

I see, so the barometer by which we judge whether or not insulting someone’s appearance is okay is whether or not a wide swathe of the population suffers from it? Guess I’m really struggling to see how there isn’t a huge cognitive dissonance occurring here

I’m really done after this because this is going in circles.  So Donald Trump, who’s life is insulting people and their appearance, shouldn’t be a target himself?  Again if you are someone who constantly throws stones, stones are going to come back at you.  No one is making fun of Cole Beasley for being short.  He’s what little Ben dreams of being.  

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

52 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, when I posted that, I did second guess it.  They were psychopaths.   I will retract that.   

 

Was this your Drew Brees moment?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Was this your Drew Brees moment?

It would have been my Brees moment if I said I disagree with Jewish people not standing for the German anthem that my German ancestors fought for.  ?