Mr. WEO Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: No complaints about your new kicker though huh? Covered this weeks ago, bro. Your stalker game is suffering in the COVID pandemic. Step it up!
Mango Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Billl said: Why don’t we just take a look at who Fromm has followed on social media to see if he deserves the benefit of the doubt? If it’s a who’s who of progressive thinkers, he gets the benefit of the doubt. If it’s a bunch of right wing ideologues, then we’ve got our answer. Any Fromm apologists want to play this game? haha. I already checked. The only pundits he follows are Tomi Lauran, Ben Shapiro, and Donald Trump. 1 1
CorkScrewHill Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Covered this weeks ago, bro. Your stalker game is suffering in the COVID pandemic. Step it up! Just to be clear the last comment from Mr. Weo was related to the patriots new kicker Justin Rohrwassers not James Devlin who was the initial subject of the original post. https://deadspin.com/justin-rohrwassers-ignorance-about-3-percenters-isnt-be-1843089092 1
ALF Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, Mango said: haha. I already checked. The only pundits he follows are Tomi Lauran, Ben Shapiro, and Donald Trump. I can respect a persons political beliefs just try not to say or write something inflammatory . 1
Dr. Who Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Prior to this current moment in America, any hint of political interest or discussion was frowned upon in this forum. You were told to remember board etiquette and likely had your post erased or moved elsewhere if you expressed a cultural view beyond a narrow scope of sports. That does not seem to be the case now. Many who roundly applauded silencing political speech or at least moving it to one of those somewhat sketchy back rooms in the house, are openly and repeatedly telling folks what thoughts and actions are righteous and if you disagree you are a judged a bad person. One fella who is not a fan of the Buffalo Bills is certain of what constitutes victory and where history is going, all that abstractions of questionable merit. There's a certitude and fury in some reminiscent of Dicken's Madame Defarge. The list of prescribed enemies is easily indulged. For some, if you're old, you're worthless and already pretty much counted as dead. If you agree with a particular ideological agenda on the issues, of course, you at least have the consolation of being on the victorious side apparently. Those who exhibit an appreciation for equivocity, for the complexity of ethical issues, who show generosity of spirit and humor are to be applauded. Too bad for many these very virtues are a sign of moral compromise if not covert bigotry and evil. 1 1 1
Billl Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Prior to this current moment in America, any hint of political interest or discussion was frowned upon in this forum. You were told to remember board etiquette and likely had your post erased or moved elsewhere if you expressed a cultural view beyond a narrow scope of sports. That does not seem to be the case now. Many who roundly applauded silencing political speech or at least moving it to one of those somewhat sketchy back rooms in the house, are openly and repeatedly telling folks what thoughts and actions are righteous and if you disagree you are a judged a bad person. One fella who is not a fan of the Buffalo Bills is certain of what constitutes victory and where history is going, all that abstractions of questionable merit. There's a certitude and fury in some reminiscent of Dicken's Madame Defarge. The list of prescribed enemies is easily indulged. For some, if you're old, you're worthless and already pretty much counted as dead. If you agree with a particular ideological agenda on the issues, of course, you at least have the consolation of being on the victorious side apparently. Those who exhibit an appreciation for equivocity, for the complexity of ethical issues, who show generosity of spirit and humor are to be applauded. Too bad for many these very virtues are a sign of moral compromise if not covert bigotry and evil. That’s a lot of words to say that Fromm made bigoted remarks and got called on it.
Dr. Who Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Billl said: That’s a lot of words to say that Fromm made bigoted remarks and got called on it. I called you out on your indecency and callow triumphalism. You're not capable of a sustained, humane discussion. Lots of folks are cowed by zeal and numbers. I'm not interested in your emotive blackmail or desire to impugn everyone who shares a different view. 1 3 1
SDS Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Prior to this current moment in America, any hint of political interest or discussion was frowned upon in this forum. You were told to remember board etiquette and likely had your post erased or moved elsewhere if you expressed a cultural view beyond a narrow scope of sports. That does not seem to be the case now. Many who roundly applauded silencing political speech or at least moving it to one of those somewhat sketchy back rooms in the house, are openly and repeatedly telling folks what thoughts and actions are righteous and if you disagree you are a judged a bad person. One fella who is not a fan of the Buffalo Bills is certain of what constitutes victory and where history is going, all that abstractions of questionable merit. There's a certitude and fury in some reminiscent of Dicken's Madame Defarge. The list of prescribed enemies is easily indulged. For some, if you're old, you're worthless and already pretty much counted as dead. If you agree with a particular ideological agenda on the issues, of course, you at least have the consolation of being on the victorious side apparently. Those who exhibit an appreciation for equivocity, for the complexity of ethical issues, who show generosity of spirit and humor are to be applauded. Too bad for many these very virtues are a sign of moral compromise if not covert bigotry and evil. After 17 years, I hope you got your membership money's worth. 5
Coach Tuesday Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Prior to this current moment in America, any hint of political interest or discussion was frowned upon in this forum. You were told to remember board etiquette and likely had your post erased or moved elsewhere if you expressed a cultural view beyond a narrow scope of sports. That does not seem to be the case now. Many who roundly applauded silencing political speech or at least moving it to one of those somewhat sketchy back rooms in the house, are openly and repeatedly telling folks what thoughts and actions are righteous and if you disagree you are a judged a bad person. One fella who is not a fan of the Buffalo Bills is certain of what constitutes victory and where history is going, all that abstractions of questionable merit. There's a certitude and fury in some reminiscent of Dicken's Madame Defarge. The list of prescribed enemies is easily indulged. For some, if you're old, you're worthless and already pretty much counted as dead. If you agree with a particular ideological agenda on the issues, of course, you at least have the consolation of being on the victorious side apparently. Those who exhibit an appreciation for equivocity, for the complexity of ethical issues, who show generosity of spirit and humor are to be applauded. Too bad for many these very virtues are a sign of moral compromise if not covert bigotry and evil. You know what, sometimes there’s just a societal overcorrection and overreaction after years of underreaction in the other direction. It’s not necessarily fair but that’s what happens and it makes sense. The #metoo movement might be an example - lots of reputations being torched for things people did while it was still ok to do them - certain people just get caught up in the gears when societal norms suddenly change, when they snap forward in the opposite direction. It can feel very unfair and to those people it probably is - but that’s what happens when things are going in the wrong direction for too long. Society overcorrects, first, and then hopefully a more appropriate balance is stricken. But you’re right: right now is not a good time to be on the wrong side of the culture wars and the impending changes that many of us are advocating for and predicting. It’s long overdue. I’m sorry you feel shouted down in the meantime - it’s just a very loud of roar for change. The “other side” had its day in the sun and the rest of us felt silenced, for decades even. Edited June 10, 2020 by Coach Tuesday 1 2
Billl Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I called you out on your indecency and callow triumphalism. You're not capable of a sustained, humane discussion. Lots of folks are cowed by zeal and numbers. I'm not interested in your emotive blackmail or desire to impugn everyone who shares a different view. If “a different view” is that “elite whites” should have rights that are exclusive to them, then shame on you for defending that view. You and Jake can stick to reading Tomi Lahren and Ben Shapiro, and you’ll never have to worry about anyone being called out for racist statements. 2
thebandit27 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Billl said: If “a different view” is that “elite whites” should have rights that are exclusive to them, then shame on you for defending that view. You and Jake can stick to reading Tomi Lahren and Ben Shapiro, and you’ll never have to worry about anyone being called out for racist statements. There it is again: if someone reads the opinions of a non-progressive they’re a racist. Is this really an insinuation that you’re prepared to support with facts? PS—You do realize that Shapiro is married to an African woman, right?
Jauronimo Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have no doubt that there are great cops. My good friend's brother, now "Major Brother, Retired" had his life saved by his black partner. My neighbor's son is rising in the County PD ranks, I know he's a good man. The problem is, while the Floyd case is egregious (and also caught on tape), what about all the other cases? Eric Garner? Freddie Gray? Breonna Taylor? I'm sure there's a list somewhere. Why should someone die for a no-knock warrant for people already in custody, or for selling cigarettes, or for a broken tailight? Even if it is individuals, the problem is those individuals don't seem to be being sucessfully controlled or removed from the police force. What is their accountability? Shortly after I moved to St Louis, guy cutting my hair (ultra-conservative white Christian) told me a story that was bothering him. He and his brother in law took their families to the famous "Crown Candy Kitchen" in St. Louis. He got out of the car to make sure they were open, and his brother made an illegal u-turn to park - just as a police cruiser pulled up and two officers got out. My barber greeted them and said "please excuse him, he's not from St Louis!" trying to nice his way out of a ticket. One of the officers replied: "I don't care what you do, you're White" What do you say to that? What do you think it means to how that officer would treat black people? How would you solve the problem of individuals with badges who improperly use their power? Looks like the fastest way to get removed from the police force isn't through misconduct, its through blowing the whistle on another officer's misconduct. 5
T master Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 2:29 PM, Billl said: People are free to apologize and seek forgiveness, but they aren’t entitled to receive it. Apologies aren’t tokens that you put into a forgiveness machine that spits out a receipt to show you’ve been absolved. Is this over the top? Is the pendulum going to swing a little too far? Probably. That’s how these things work. The mistreatment and dehumanization of minorities in this country has gone on for far too long, and it’s hitting critical mass. It’s going to be dealt with swiftly and severely until people finally get it through their heads that it’s not okay. If we ever reach that point, the court of public opinion will relax its rules a bit. If you want to help speed the process along, you can start by telling people to take down their confederate flags. You can marginalize the people you know who make racist comments or support nationalistic politicians. Alternatively, you can die mad about it because society isn’t going to suddenly decide that it’s okay to go back to the “good old days”. It’s really up to you. Your post is Very true & i agree with you ! We all need to look at our transgressions against others as human beings (not by color) and ask for forgiveness for our ignorants . It is on you to ask for someones forgiveness if you have done wrong against them and you are not entitled to forgiveness as you said but me being a christian in my beliefs if you ask for forgiveness and it isn't given it could be thrown back in our laps . https://www.kansascity.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/billy-graham/article1294027.html It is always a good day when you can truly learn something in your heart to take with us as our lives go forward & i pray that we all can learn something big or small going forward to learn from the past to make tomorrow a better day & a better place to live . 1
CBennett Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) Ok being new to this and I dont pay attention what did he say that was bad/wrong so I can judge for myself if im horrified, dont care, or agree with him or somewhere inbetween... For a example that thing with Drew Brees.... I actually AGREE with him on his original statements...I think his apology was/is a total PC stunt cop out because he got heat for saying it... but im one that believes the same deal he said.. I for one will not go along with any kind of kneeing DURING a anthem,service or anything showing respect for our flag or nation...and who ever you are no matter how you want to try to explain it away..I believe if you do that at THAT time...youre disrespecting the flag....now that said..If you want me to take a knee just BEFORE or directly AFTER the anthem..I will do so, but Id NEVER EVER take a knee DURING a anthem. And I get its a free country and they have a "right" to do so when ever they want.. I also have a "right" of free thought to think its disrespectful/// So this thing with Fromm what gives what did he say/do and is it being taken out of context because of the current environment? Edited June 10, 2020 by CBennett 1 1
K-9 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Looks like the fastest way to get removed from the police force isn't through misconduct, its through blowing the whistle on another officer's misconduct. This might be the saddest commentary on the entire situation and is, imo, the crux of the issue. Everybody I know has always understood that the proverbial 99% of LEOs are honorable and do it by the book. But damn! if we don’t see that 1% all too often, regardless.I mean, what are the odds? I suspect it’s for the very reason you point out. 2
Rico Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, CBennett said: Ok being new to this and I dont pay attention what did he say that was bad/wrong so I can judge for myself if im horrified, dont care, or agree with him or somewhere inbetween... He said something stupid and fairly innocuous in a private text to a girl who recently leaked it to the public, and now some feeble minds are trying without success to make a mountain out of what is not even close to a molehill. 1
Bangarang Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, K-9 said: This might be the saddest commentary on the entire situation and is, imo, the crux of the issue. Everybody I know has always understood that the proverbial 99% of LEOs are honorable and do it by the book. But damn! if we don’t see that 1% all too often, regardless.I mean, what are the odds? I suspect it’s for the very reason you point out. Cops doing their jobs well doesn't make for a good story. 2
CBennett Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rico said: He said something stupid and fairly innocuous in a private text to a girl who recently leaked it to the public, and now some feeble minds are trying without success to make a mountain out of what is not even close to a molehill. Ok I Re-Read it and it made more sense on the re-read//// I actually had misread it the first time and agreed with him..re-read it and now I see where people may be mad. My original read was Fromm saying: They make suppressors so expensive only elite white people can afford them. (which wasnt what he actually said just what I read it as quickly scanning it) and I was like..he is only stating the truth/// for a regular gun youre gonna do a lot of paperwork and spend about 1K of a decent one...something i cant afford personally...so him saying that they price them so only rich white people could afford them..well take out the white people part and leave elite/rich in there and true.they do I agree... but like I said...thats what I thought he said// what he actually said was more or less..just be sure to price these Suppressors so only elite white people could afford them as if you want to keep them "away" from "others"....that , ah while nothing id get hot over, ...Iget how people could though... I dont agree with only elite white people should get them..I do agree they price the GD things so only rich/elite people can actually AFFORD them thats for sure and its a shame. Id love one but cant afford $700-900 for one+ $200 tax stamp on top of it.. I dont even pay that for the pistol or rifle id be putting it on let alone that..
K-9 Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Cops doing their jobs well doesn't make for a good story. Cops doing their job well is a basic requirement and expectation of the public they’re sworn to serve and protect. But if you’re interested, I posted a story of a cop doing her job well in the Matt Gugino thread in Off The Wall.
Jauronimo Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Cops doing their jobs well doesn't make for a good story. Sometimes it does. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-who-accused-mcdonald-s-workers-taking-bite-his-sandwich-n1035796 Case closed. 1 1
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