Jake Fromm: Controversial comments

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It's a learned trait.

 

 

So the learning stops there? People can't re educate them selves?

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, brooklynbill said:

Oh my reading comprehension skills are just fine.  It got me a college degree, fully paid house and 401k that is flooded. The language I struggle with is dog whistling. Surely you know of what I speak

So the fact he didn't tell you how to feel about anything must of been some super level of subtle. ?‍♂️

Edited June 9, 2020 by Warcodered

[brooklynbill]

22 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So the fact he didn't tell you how to feel about anything must of been some super level of subtle. ?‍♂️

So the fact that no one asked your opinion must have been some super level of subtle.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, brooklynbill said:

So the fact that no one asked your opinion must have been some super level of subtle.

Or you might possibly be having this debate on a public forum.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thanks for the suggestion. Could you even begin to imagine what I suggest that you could do?

 

I can imagine.  But please Don't, and say you Didn't.  TIA

[Westside]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Maybe he'll change".

 

Yes, it would obviously follow that black people would be too poor to buy silencers, but brown people too.

 

No I don't Fromm--I only know his thinking on this issue by his texts.  Lorenzo doesn't know this man either.   He watched a zoom apology.  And Tre retweeted his former team mate's calling out of Fromm's bogus apology. 

 

After Pegula told the team he wasn't going to cut Fromm, Frazier had little else left he could  say, did he?  If they HAD cut him, you don't think Frazier would be selling the forgiveness line--nope, he would be decrying the institutional nature of racism that allows privileged kids to nonchalantly joke about racist comments in some "silly billy" late night texting.

 

Where is the support from the Bills players, doc?  There's not a single "adult" on that roster?

 

You are who you claim Fromm is. Don't be a hypocrite. Be better than that.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Maybe he'll change".

 

Yes, it would obviously follow that black people would be too poor to buy silencers, but brown people too. 

 

No I don't Fromm--I only know his thinking on this issue by his texts.  Lorenzo doesn't know this man either.   He watched a zoom apology.  And Tre retweeted his former team mate's calling out of Fromm's bogus apology. 

 

After Pegula told the team he wasn't going to cut Fromm, Frazier had little else left he could  say, did he?  If they HAD cut him, you don't think Frazier would be selling the forgiveness line--nope, he would be decrying the institutional nature of racism that allows privileged kids to nonchalantly joke about racist comments in some "silly billy" late night texting.

 

Where is the support from the Bills players, doc?  There's not a single "adult" on that roster?

 

You and others here know Fromm infinitely less than Alexander and Frazier, so you can't even speak to what he thinks or if he is capable of changing, assuming he even has those views to begin with.  Again he's never treated anyone of color poorly, which is the most important thing, and that is what I was waiting to hear (and still am) before taking a stance.  He's been playing a sport for decades where he's required to be around a lot of black people almost all of the time, so you'd think someone, anyone, would have come out against him by now, but so far nothing.  And if he hates them so much that he wants to kill them, you'd think he would try to avoid them as much as possible.

 

Again, what he actually wrote doesn't include him (he's not an elite white person) nor does it single-out black people.  Why you and others immediately go there is what is most curious to me, but we're in hyper-sensitive times right now so I'll chalk it up to that.

 

The team gave him a chance to address the players and coaches. Obviously the consensus was that he should stay, the team put out a statement, and Frazier was the best person to convey that to the world.  The former team leader (Alexander) said the same things I've been saying.  So far Tre is the only player we know of who has a problem, but he couldn't even bring himself to comment and just retweeted things other people, who didn't even hear the apology, said.  Others probably aren't happy with him, but they haven't made that known, and no one is going to come out in support of him, just like no one came out in support of Josh's tweets.  They'll give him a chance, looking at him sideways, and he'll have to prove himself even more than he would have had to before.  You can do the same.

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Coach Tuesday]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

The difference is that I don't care if you disagree with things that I believe. It is a comforting state of mind, you might try it.

Bill here’s the thing: you ALMOST NEVER hear someone say, “You know, I agree that police brutality and racial inequality are related, and that they’re among, if not THE most pressing issues in society today, but protesting about them by kneeling during the anthem is wrong no matter what.”  The anti-kneeling crowd, to a near-universal degree, largely disagrees with the content of the message itself, or at least the relative importance of it in society.  That’s what makes it so hard to swallow for some of us.  It feels like the issue was deliberately twisted into something other than it was supposed to be about (patriotism) so as not to have to deal with the real content (police brutality and systemic racism) head-on.  It feels like a trick.  Just my two cents.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[Mr. WEO]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You and others here know Fromm infinitely less than Alexander and Frazier, so you can't even speak to what he thinks or if he is capable of changing, assuming he even has those views to begin with.  Again he's never treated anyone of color poorly, which is the most important thing, and that is what I was waiting to hear (and still am) before taking a stance.  He's been playing a sport for decades where he's required to be around a lot of black people almost all of the time, so you'd think someone, anyone, would have come out against him by now, but so far nothing.  And if he hates them so much that he wants to kill them, you'd think he would try to avoid them as much as possible.

 

Again, what he actually wrote doesn't include him (he's not an elite white person) nor does it single-out black people.  Why you and others immediately go there is what is most curious to me, but we're in hyper-sensitive times right now so I'll chalk it up to that.

 

The team gave him a chance to address the players and coaches. Obviously the consensus was that he should stay, the team put out a statement, and Frazier was the best person to convey that to the world.  The former team leader (Alexander) said the same things I've been saying.  So far Tre is the only player we know of who has a problem, but he couldn't even bring himself to comment and just retweeted things other people, who didn't even hear the apology, said.  Others probably aren't happy with him, but they haven't made that known, and no one is going to come out in support of him, just like no one came out in support of Josh's tweets.  They'll give him a chance, looking at him sideways, and he'll have to prove himself even more than he would have had to before.  You can do the same.

 

 

1).  If "knowing Fromm" existed on a scale from 0 to infinity, Alexander's familiarity with him would (rounding up to the next whole number) constitute a "1".  Since "1" is infinitely greater than "0"..... you got me there!

 

2).  Hmmmmm, can't figure out why everyone "go[es] there" from Fromm's texts?  you are joking right?  Your gift for disingenuity is only matched by your unmatched powers of sycophancy.  And a newly minted NFL millionaire is no longer considered an "elite" American?  Laughable doc-speak.  But at least the "elite white people" will know they have a powerful advocate in Jake Fromm, right?  I mean, per you, he was arguing in favor of THEM getting those silencers.   He was just misunderstood by the "hyper-sensitive" non-white people!   I bet the Koch brothers, Steven Spielberg, Jeff Bezos and the whole darn gang are MUCH more comfortable screwing  those suppressors onto their AR-15s knowing Jake Fromm is backing them up!!

 

3). "Consensus"?  as in: "general agreement or concord"?  "majority of opinion"? "The judgement arrived at of most of those concerned"?  Which definition of that term are you involving here?---pick from those 3.  LOL.  There is no consensus, of course--you made that up (shocking!!).  The only "obvious" opinion is Pegula's.  He said Fromm stays.  No player has publicly supported that position. Not one.  Tre retweeted Jamal Adams's tweet after Fromm's very special Zoom mea culpa.

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can imagine.  But please Don't, and say you Didn't.  TIA

Of course. I hope that you did note my restraint.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

1).  If "knowing Fromm" existed on a scale from 0 to infinity, Alexander's familiarity with him would constitute a "1".  Since "1" is infinitely greater than "0"..... you got me there!

 

2).  Hmmmmm, can't figure out why everyone "go[es] there" from Fromm's texts?  you are joking right?  Your gift for disingenuity is only matched by your unmatched powers of sycophancy.  And a newly minted NFL millionaire is no longer considered an "elite" American?  Laughable doc-speak.  But at least the "elite white people" will know they have a powerful advocate in Jake Fromm, right?  I mean, per you, he was arguing in favor of THEM getting those silencers.   He was just misunderstood by the "hyper-sensitive" non-white people!   I bet the Koch brothers, Steven Spielberg, Jeff Bezos and the whole darn gang are MUCH more comfortable screwing  those suppressors onto their AR-15s knowing Jake Fromm is backing them up!!

 

3). "Consensus"?  as in: "general agreement or concord"?  "majority of opinion"? "The judgement arrived at of most of those concerned"?  Which definition of that term are you involving here?---pick from those 3.  LOL.  There is no consensus, of course--you made that up (shocking!!).  The only "obvious" opinion is Pegula's.  He said Fromm stays.  No player has publicly supported that position. Not one.  Tre retweeted Jamal Adams's tweet after Fromm's very special Zoom mea culpa.

 

1)  Thanks for clarifying what I already said: you don't know Fromm AT ALL.  Stop pretending you do.

 

2)  Yeah, I already said these are hyper-sensitive times.  Your Glenn Close histrionics aside, the facts remain that nowhere in his text exchange did he write "black people," that he was an "elite white person" (you know, the group that was allegedly going to kill just black people), or say "No I'm not elite right now, but in 15+ months I will be and I'm gonna be able to buy me some suppressors..."  As I said before, it sounded for all the world like a bad joke meant to impress a chick and it blew up in his face. 

 

3)  Yeah, consensus.  Without one, the 5th round pick would been cut because he would have been a distraction.  And no one would have blinked an eye or said a word, if not applauded it for being "woke."  It's not a hard concept. 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, LB3 said:

We're either witnessing a troll or something new and magnificent. I await their next post with bated breath.

 

Please, Breathe

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, westside2 said:

What? What are they to you? I think I'm done with conversing with you. 

 

Wise choice.

[Westside]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wise choice.

Have a nice night

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

1)  Thanks for clarifying what I already said: you don't know Fromm AT ALL.  Stop pretending you do.

 

2)  Yeah, I already said these are hyper-sensitive times.  Your Glenn Close histrionics aside, the facts remain that nowhere in his text exchange did he write "black people," that he was an "elite white person" (you know, the group that was allegedly going to kill just black people), or say "No I'm not elite right now, but in 15+ months I will be and I'm gonna be able to buy me some suppressors..."  As I said before, it sounded for all the world like a bad joke meant to impress a chick and it blew up in his face. 

 

3)  Yeah, consensus.  Without one, the 5th round pick would been cut because he would have been a distraction.  And no one would have blinked an eye or said a word, if not applauded it for being "woke."  It's not a hard concept. 

 

 

I don't know him other than his views as recently published.  Alexander knows little if anything more (certainly no more than any player actually on the team), so stop pretending he does.

 

Kill just black people?  Now you're off the rails.  Anyway, it seems like you re the only soul on earth who could discern that he was not including blacks in those who should  be so armed.  

 

No, there is no consensus, because none is sought nor needed by the only person in the position to determine the fate of Fromm on the Bills.  The absolute absence of any actual "consensus" or even a single player in support of Fromm on the team makes your claim obviously ridiculous. 

 

You would do better to end every post with "ha ha" going forward......

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I don't know him other than his views as recently published.  Alexander knows little if anything more (certainly no more than any player actually on the team), so stop pretending he does.

 

Kill just black people?  Now you're off the rails.  Anyway, it seems like you re the only soul on earth who could discern that he was not including blacks in those who should  be so armed.  

 

No, there is no consensus, because none is sought nor needed by the only person in the position to determine the fate of Fromm on the Bills.  The absolute absence of any actual "consensus" or even a single player in support of Fromm on the team makes your claim obviously ridiculous. 

 

You would do better to end every post with "ha ha" going forward......

 

His views?  You mean the alleged ones that you have to climb out on different limbs to fit your narrative?  Versus the hundreds of people he's interacted with during his life without a single complaint against him?  LOL!  Good one.  You know him so well.  Just as well as you know everything else. 

 

Yes, all those poor people without suppressors.  How will they defend themselves?  "Annie get your suppressor."

 

They obviously got consensus.   That you're the only one to not realize this, or more precisely, refuse to do so because you've never been able to admit all the times you've been wrong, matters not.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

His views?  You mean the alleged ones that you have to climb out on different limbs to fit your narrative?  Versus the hundreds of people he's interacted with during his life without a single complaint against him?  LOL!  Good one.  You know him so well.  Just as well as you know everything else. 

 

Yes, all those poor people without suppressors.  How will they defend themselves?  "Annie get your suppressor."

 

They obviously got consensus.   That you're the only one to not realize this, or more precisely, refuse to do so because you've never been able to admit all the times you've been wrong, matters not.

 

 

 

You're right doc....no one else understood what he was saying and there was no national uproar over his texts.  I made it all up!!

 

Why do you think player consensus is needed?  Owner has spoken-that is all that is "obvious".   And if it was granted where is the evidence of it?  Not a single player has supported him publicly, yet you say the overwhelming majority support him.  Pegula has decided.  He doesn't need player consent and you have given zero evidence he has it anyway.  You made that up.

[Coach Tuesday]

Oh no.  I was prepared to ride out the TSW culture wars until they turned into a Doc/WEO death match.  Hatfields vs. McCoys.  1,000 pages here we go.

[Bill from NYC]

29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Bill here’s the thing: you ALMOST NEVER hear someone say, “You know, I agree that police brutality and racial inequality are related, and that they’re among, if not THE most pressing issues in society today, but protesting about them by kneeling during the anthem is wrong no matter what.”  The anti-kneeling crowd, to a near-universal degree, largely disagrees with the content of the message itself, or at least the relative importance of it in society.  That’s what makes it so hard to swallow for some of us.  It feels like the issue was deliberately twisted into something other than it was supposed to be about (patriotism) so as not to have to deal with the real content (police brutality and systemic racism) head-on.  It feels like a trick.  Just my two cents.

My life has taught me that police brutality has nothing to do with race. It has to do with individuals.

 

I have been posting here for approx. 2 1/2 decades. I have friends that I have met at RWS, close friends, but; few know much about my background. I was a NYC Police Officer/Detective. I worked for 2 black squad sgts., 2 black borough commanders, and 2 black police commissioners. 

I started in Crown Heights/East Flatbush Brooklyn. My precinct had 71 homicides that year. I was just a rookie,  and we took up a collection to help purchase baseball equipment for poor (and I do mean poor kids). 

 

From there, I was transferred to Midtown South Precinct and assigned to a foot post on what the FBI called the worst block in America, W. 42nd Street between Broadway and 8th Ave. The Port Authority was across the street and there were 5 welfare hotels within 2 blocks, Two of them were in the top 10 in the city. I will not talk about the things I saw in these places but I will say that we saved the lives of and rescued children. It was just horrible. None were white.

 

I was lucky enough to get a transfer to my home borough of Queens after 5 years at the same time as a friend. We weren't used to working in a normal place. We were assigned to a sector in which a large black population lived. We checked open doors and waved to the nice people. My partner got promoted and I broke in this young black cop who had no partner. I got him his first arrest, a nice assault/robbery. I took care of him and pushed him out of the way so I could go up first to a 5 minute old homicide. We had to step over a dead Colombian and there were people in the closet. They turned out to be victims, and nobody got shot. This man is my dear friend today, and he went on to be a 1st Grade Detective (higher than me) and set a record for undercover buys in NYC. Ask him if I was a brutal racist. When the Community Policing program started, black community members from a civic association turned out for a meeting and demanded that I be assigned to their neighborhood. I was placed there without being given a choice. My reward? Sundays off so I could watch the Bills games (but I worked Saturdays and had to miss the Crimson Tide). 

 

From there, a black Borough Commander promoted me to detective. I primarily did domestics and had a black female partner. We came up with an initiative that became a citywide model. In NYC, police officers have to write up themselves for medals, or be written up by a co-worker or a supervisor. I never wrote myself up for 1 medal. I refused because they meant nothing to me. I was named "Cop of the Month" in the borough of Queens and didn't show up for the ceremony. They sent it to me in Department Mail and my boss wasn't happy. I was cop of the year in a precinct and had 56 commendations and believe me, there were MUCH better cops than me. MUCH better.

 

When my captain (who was promoted to Deputy Inspector) retired, he took a job as a school teacher in a very tough neighborhood in CT (he lived close by and NYS wouldn't let him "double dip"). He was named "Educator of the Year" by the Obama Administration. He inspired his almost entirely black class and their marks skyrocketed. If you think I am full of s%$t, his name is Anthony Mullen. Many of his students went onto college and are success stories. 

 

This was my experience in the NYPD. I only found out about my commendations when I applied for another job after I retired. To this day I am haunted by nightmares from the atrocities that I have seen, but it has become normal by now. I'm fine, but what happened in Minnesota really hurts. That scumbag cop hurt our country.  He gave anarchists and other losers an audience, and I am NOT talking about peaceful protesters. In the long run, all of us will suffer. 

 

My experience doesn't involve racism, and I worked with GREAT cops. Btw there were good times too. Working in Midtown Manhattan wasn't so bad in some ways :). As for the cops, we loved each other. Race meant nothing. 

 

I pray that our country comes around and the violence will cease. 

 

 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

You're right doc....no one else understood what he was saying and there was no national uproar over his texts.  I made it all up!!

 

Why do you think player consensus is needed?  Owner has spoken-that is all that is "obvious".   And if it was granted where is the evidence of it?  Not a single player has supported him publicly, yet you say the overwhelming majority support him.  Pegula has decided.  He doesn't need player consent and you have given zero evidence he has it anyway.  You made that up.

 

Lots of things have been blown way out of proportion.  This isn't the first and it won't be the last.

 

And you really think that a team will foist a divisive 5th round rookie nobody on their players and coaches and destroy its chemistry, potentially even driving many of them away when their contracts are up?  If this were Josh Allen I'd agree with you since they invested a 1st rounder and gave him a $21M guaranteed contract.

 

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Oh no.  I was prepared to ride out the TSW culture wars until they turned into a Doc/WEO death match.  Hatfields vs. McCoys.  1,000 pages here we go.

 

Hey, I see some smaller but promising ones emerging.