ALF Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 If a person does not have common sense and decency they should not be in law enforcement.
Beast Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Beast said: Here’s what I think. again, JMO. The two officers to my eye, look very young. could be wrong there but I would bet they don’t want to arrest an old man. They push him back. He doesn’t catch his balance because of his age and the rest happens. I bet anything they now wish they just took him into custody instead of pushing him. Those two, I’m quite certain, will lose their career over this decision which I see why they did it, but.....it didn’t end up good. The one Officer seems to be a little more responsible for this.It will be interesting to see how that is viewed. And the bad part that sucks for them is that is the exact way they are trained for riot training. To push back and continue forward. They will lose their job for doing their job correctly but there is always gray area and they were in that gray area. You probably shouldn’t shove an elderly person. I would say they will both probably be charged with Assault in the 3rd Degree, a Misdemeanor, for recklessly causing physical injury to another. It will be interesting to see if they attempt to charge the one with Assault 2nd , a Felony, for having a riot stick and pushing him with that. I don’t think they will because the stick didn’t cause the injury. The concrete did. There is a subdivision under Assault For a person over 65 and the actor being 10 years younger but you have to show an intent to injure. There obviously is no intent in this matter. Now, if this man dies which is a possibility, they will both be charged with Manslaughter 2nd Degree. This bothered me all night. It was an awful thing to see. The more I thought about it I fully expect an arrest but I’m not so sure either will be convicted of anything. They were acting within the scope of their job regardless of the mans age. I mean, I do believe they acted recklessly but I also believe It can be argued they were doing their job the way they were taught. Again, I think it definitely should have been handled much differently and I do expect an arrest but I do not know about a conviction. 1
Wacka Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) On the morning news, that said that the cops were clearing Niagara Square at 8 PM at the start of curfew Why was he there in the first place? Could have a small cut on the head. They bleed profusely. when mu brother was a kid a neighbor kid hit him in the he'd with a small tock. One or Two stiches, blood was pouring down. Edited June 5, 2020 by Wacka 1
Warren Zevon Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Beast said: I also believe It can be argued they were doing their job the way they were taught. This is the exact reason why millions all over this country are protesting. 2
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: This is the exact reason why millions all over this country are protesting. Cops should definitely let people take their taxpayer funded guns. Those are the people's guns. 1
Beast Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: This is the exact reason why millions all over this country are protesting. No. I disagree. The officers in Minneapolis were NOT doing their jobs.
SoCal Deek Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ALF said: If a person does not have common sense and decency they should not be in law enforcement. Have you ever been in law enforcement? Have you ever worked a job where your equipment included clubs, shields, fire arms, and handcuffs? Why do you think the Police are equipped with those tools? I’m guessing it’s because they’re often confronted with people who have neither common sense or decency! 1 1
Wacka Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) It's 8 o'clock, the start of the curfew. You are to be in your home or yard . The cops were clearing the square. The guy approached them. Common sense rule #1- if a line of cops approach you ,go the other way. Edited June 5, 2020 by Wacka 1
RiotAct Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Hedge said: Byron was on MSNBC? Holy crap! Good for him!!!
SoCal Deek Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wacka said: It's 8 o'clock, the start of the curfew. You are to be in your home or yard them on the city. The cops were clearing the square. The guty approached them. Common sense rule #1- if a line of cops approach you ,go the other way. Have you noticed this common denominator? How is it that people think it’s a wise move to confront uniformed enforcement officials? This is the root of all of these problems! We need to have a national discussion of what police do, why we have them, and how you should approach and interact with them. Edited June 5, 2020 by SoCal Deek
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Have you noticed this common denominator? How is it that people think it’s a wise move to confront uniformed enforcement officials? This is the root of all of these problems! We need to have a national discussion of what police do, why we have them, and how you should approach and interact with them. Yeah, I cannot understand why that man thought it would be a good idea to approach a line of riot police, and then disobey the order of a police office several times (get back). 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Yeah, I cannot understand why that man thought it would be a good idea to approach a line of riot police, and then disobey the order of a police office several times (get back). It’s because we’ve spent decades trying to convince society that the police are there to get your cat down out of a tree!
SoCal Deek Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wacka said: I think its probably an old hippie. Right age. For his age, he clearly has no fear of Covid 19....or maybe he just said ‘what the heck’!
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Beast said: No. I disagree. The officers in Minneapolis were NOT doing their jobs. Come on dude get out your broad brush. It makes it so much easier to communize. Edited June 5, 2020 by 4merper4mer 1
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, Beast said: No. I disagree. The officers in Minneapolis were NOT doing their jobs. Correct but now they are protesting ALL police. “***** the Police!” Is their war cry. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: For his age, he clearly has no fear of Covid 19....or maybe he just said ‘what the heck’! Oh come on! He had on a mask while outside. Everyone knows masks protect you from the Wuhan virus.
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....yet a line in the Buffalo News said he "tripped and fell"........(??)...... Yeah fake news!! He stumbled...stumbled. 1
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Correct but now they are protesting ALL police. “***** the Police!” Is their war cry. I have a morbid curiosity to see what happens in these cities if the police were disbanded. So much so that I am considering stealing a 3D TV to get the full effect.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Reality Check said: I have a morbid curiosity to see what happens in these cities if the police were disbanded. So much so that I am considering stealing a 3D TV to get the full effect. ...it must be at least 72" to maintain social distancing from the guy helping you "appropriate" it, right??…….. 1 1
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