Motorin' Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: And the arc of history and legislation in this country has been towards justice, not the opposite. Compare where we were in 1960 to 2020. That's just 60 years. But Critical Theory doesn't give that credit. It's goal is not to continue seeking justice, but to burn it all down "just because". That's why it's wrong. That's why it's poison. It offers no solutions, it ignores reality in favor of sensationalism. It seeks to control weaker minds through emotional manipulation. I agree with the first statement. I think at every increment forward there's been push back, including now. First it was the idea that it was just one bad officer that killed George Floyd but not indicative of any systemic issue within the structure of policing. It has now expanded to 'it was four bad police officers,' but four bad cops aren't indicative of a problem with the system itself. What then of the county Medical Examiner finding "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation...?” At the very least there is a perception of systemic bias. If in fact the Medical Examiner overlooked evidence of asphyxia to save Chauvin from 1st degree murder charges was it just one bad ME? As far as your criticism of critical theory, much longer conversation needed. I think it's pretty clear that there is a major anti-capitalist ideology at the heart of the riots. I don't agree with any of the looting and destruction. These people are not going to get the ideological endgame they want even if they cause maximum carnage. That doesn't mean that their aren't legitimate criticisms of capitalism that have positive solutions working within a framework of laws rather than anarchistic lawlessness. 2
Motorin' Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Wacka said: Under your definition, Charlize theron is not white. In 2000 I put human for my race on the census form. The very concept of race is the problem. The idea of "Whiteness" didn't come into existence as a category until the 17th century, and it was used to justify hierarchy as aristocracies began colonizing the "non-white" and therefore "inferior" world. The very idea of a "white people" is racist. Not one of us are from the nation of Whiteness, speaks the language of Whiteness. We celebrate our varied heritages. St. Patties day, Italian Festivals, Greek Festivals ect ect ect.... And we should celebrate our many heritages. But show me one celebration of "white pride" that isn't about white supremacy? Edited June 1, 2020 by Motorin' 2
Unforgiven Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The very concept of race is the problem. The idea of "Whiteness" didn't come into existence as a category until the 17th century, and it was used to justify hierarchy as aristocracies began colonizing the "non-white" and therefore "inferior" world. The very idea of a "white people" is racist. Not one of us are from the nation of Whiteness, speaks the language of Whiteness. We celebrate our varied heritages. St. Patties day, Italian Festivals, Greek Festivals ect ect ect.... And we should celebrate our many heritages. But show me one celebration of "white pride" that isn't about white supremacy? It's a big....
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: I agree with the first statement. I think at every increment forward there's been push back, including now. First it was the idea that it was just one bad officer that killed George Floyd but not indicative of any systemic issue within the structure of policing. It has now expanded to 'it was four bad police officers,' but four bad cops aren't indicative of a problem with the system itself. No one, not a single person here (that I saw) or anywhere, has done anything but condemn all four of the officers involved. Very, VERY, few people here in PPP have ever argued that the system is perfect and free from flaws -- racial, prejudicial, or otherwise. But just as the actions of one person doesn't condemn all people, the crimes of one (or four) cops does not make every LEO an enemy. Thinking that way (not saying you are, speaking in general) is how the problems continues to fester rather than get addressed. When that becomes the topic, "all cops are bad", the entire subject has moved from the actual problems -- which are, largely, systemic yet fixable -- to something else entirely. And that leads to two sides talking past one another, about separate points, which leads to "lines being drawn" and people digging in. What happened here, the initial spark of the protests, was universally condemned by all sides. Then, paid agitators (however you wish to define them) who were working for their own causes, and not for George, poured gasoline on an already combustible situation and started chucking matches. Now we have several different groups converging with different motivations, and that is breeding confusion. The media (in general) is using that confusion to gaslight people and fan the flames on one side without acknowledging what's actually happening. Right now we have three groups (probably more, but let's keep it clean): 1) honest, good, sympathetic protesters who are exercising their constitutional rights in a peaceful (even if loud/obtrusive) fashion. 2) A "normal/expected" criminal element (which includes many who were released onto the streets during the pandemic) who, for no other reason than being criminally inclined, are looting/rioting/causing trouble. This group exists in almost every large protest regardless of the issue, they're also known as "#######s". 3)The "new" element, or at least unusual element, in this current situation is this third group that's been deployed by parties unknown to incite unrest. That group is being ignored, downplayed, or dismissed by the media who want to create the situation I described in the first paragraph above. Because they want to perpetuate the cycle that's kept them in power (and rich) for decades. 15 minutes ago, Motorin' said: What then of the county Medical Examiner finding "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation...?” At the very least there is a perception of systemic bias. If in fact the Medical Examiner overlooked evidence of asphyxia to save Chauvin from 1st degree murder charges was it just one bad ME? The FBI, DOJ, not to mention state and local authorities are combing through this whole thing. If the ME fudged his findings to spare the cops, he/she should (and I expect will) be charged. I'm not blind to the issues here, in fact they overlap with much of what I've spent the past three years exposing with the Flynn matter. But until they actually sweep it under the rug, we shouldn't act as if they have. And when there's wrongdoing exposed, we the people have a duty to call it out regardless of circumstance. This tragedy is not an exception to that imo, or anyone's that I've heard. 18 minutes ago, Motorin' said: As far as your criticism of critical theory, much longer conversation needed. I think it's pretty clear that there is a major anti-capitalist ideology at the heart of the riots. I don't agree with any of the looting and destruction. These people are not going to get the ideological endgame they want even if they cause maximum carnage. That doesn't mean that their aren't legitimate criticisms of capitalism that have positive solutions working within a framework of laws rather than anarchistic lawlessness. We agree here more than you might think. I did not, nor do I believe, that capitalism is above criticism. But criticizing doesn't mean throw the baby out with the bathwater. History has made it clear where Marxism and socialism lead. They're not solutions to whatever problems we have with capitalism, they're chains designed to enslave us to the state. Capitalism, at it's core, is a force for positive human interactions and growth. It rewards people for building/making/selling products that benefit their fellow humans. Socialism/Marxism rewards people for not helping their fellow humans. One is a force for good and freedom. The other offers a false promise of security in exchange for your liberty. The actual issue we have right now is that the "problems" many on the left see in Capitalism aren't really problems with capitalism itself. Those problems are actually caused by the fact we have more of a kleptocracy at the moment than a true capitalistic system. But, the Marxists don't want to make that distinction clear. They want to obscure it, gaslight their people into thinking they're fighting "capitalism" when they're not. The same goes with Critical Theory in general. It's designed to fool people into thinking they're solving a problem that, in reality, they're not even really addressing. It's a trick. Designed to trap people into surrendering their god given rights and freedoms as a penance for the sins of their fathers. In the end it does not accomplish anything but give more power, wealth, and control to the groups who have their boot on our neck. 1 1 1
Capco Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Wacka said: Under your definition, Charlize theron is not white. In 2000 I put human for my race on the census form. Keyword: original. As in original peoples. Who are the original people from South Africa? And who eventually colonized them? Lotta big brains on this forum.
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Capco said: Keyword: original. As in original peoples. Didn't we all originate in Africa? 1 1
Wacka Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Capco said: Keyword: original. As in original peoples. Who are the original people from South Africa? And who eventually colonized them? Lotta big brains on this forum. I believed she became an American citizen, so she IS an African-American.
RiotAct Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey? Can anyone confirm? Edited June 2, 2020 by RiotAct
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Maybe the long and continued history of white Americans abusive behavior towards Black Americans has something to do with it...,when was the last time a white man was shot for jogging in a park, and the authorities did nothing about it until they were in effect shamed into action. Racism is still alive on a violent level, and is currently flourishing in America, our country has taken a huge step backwards since don don made it to the White House, he too has a long history of abusive behavior towards Black Americans, both he and his father. Like it or not these things are happening and CK was absolutely right in taking a knee during the national anthem to make the point. Wrong. The past is the past, and our nation has made great strides. The stats do not support an increase in racism at all. It’s a media driven narrative and it’s now an all out assault on the American way of life. The choice could not be more clear. In the last 30 minutes or so , savages shot Buffalo Cops at Bailey and Conley. They drove a car into them too. This is now war, and the streets can’t be ceded to the criminals. The Police and Caucasian Americans are under siege. CK should worry about the shootings in Chicago etc on a daily basis rather than the occasional police involved death. Most of which happen to White subjects. Criminals (protesters”) injured a State trooper and drove a car into a Police line tonight in Buffalo. Let that sink in while you’re dreaming of your fairy tale utopia. 26 minutes ago, RiotAct said: someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey? Can anyone confirm? Read my post Edited June 2, 2020 by Boatdrinks 2
Kevbeau Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, RiotAct said: someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey? Can anyone confirm? Unfortunately yes...saw a clip on Twitter I’ll see if I can find it. 3
Paulus Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit... 33 minutes ago, RiotAct said: someone on facebook said that a police officer got run over on Bailey? Can anyone confirm? https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Happens at :40 secs. Edited June 2, 2020 by Paulus
Kevbeau Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 Same links I found. It shows the suv actually running into the officers. I don’t recommend watching.
RiotAct Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Paulus said: https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit... https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 yikes. Also, given that Yousef guy’s little comment, the post should be flagged by Twitter as “inciting violence” pretty quickly, no?
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: Unfortunately yes...saw a clip on Twitter I’ll see if I can find it. Sickening to see .
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Paulus said: https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit... https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paulus said: https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Cops get ran over in Buffalo, NY. Some of that warrior spirit... https://mobile.twitter.com/YousefNH2/status/1267637687554650112 Happens at :40 secs. These heinous criminals need to be vanquished from the streets with military force. Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF That’s where we are at now. Civil war. Wake up folks! Time for the military to come in.
Paulus Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF People can be driven to things. 40% unemployment and a reason to do something... This is not all about one guy. Closer to a more perfect storm. Edited June 2, 2020 by Paulus
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: These heinous criminals need to be vanquished from the streets with military force. That’s where we are at now. Civil war. Wake up folks! Time for the military to come in. I’m not sure the military could have done much based on that video.
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The comments are insane. The cops deserved it!? WTF Right. It's very sick people say. . Hope everyone is ok I think saw one cop. Feel on the ground before car looks brutal . Hope he makes it So glad to be here around good people. Inspires me little bit. 1
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Paulus said: People can be driven to things. 40% unemployment and a reason to do something... This is not all about on guy. The unemployment is due to liberal governors draconian lockdowns. Preventing people from living their lives, earning a living. That was a reason to do something. Constitutional rights were being stripped away. Where were the protests ? The good hard working people who protested were ridiculed and shamed by liberal losers. This is about one thing only. Liberal hate of America. 3
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