Reality Check Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The biggest assault is the theft of wealth from the overt slavery era onwards to this very day. White America brewed this problem, and has never come to grips with it because acknowledging it shows us to be who we really are. Its in the history books, it’s in the financial record of our country, it can not be denied except by a willfully ignorant person, who knowingly or not is perpetuating racism. You didn't read your homework did you? Labeling people racists and willfully ignorant aren't going to change anything. I owe you nothing.
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: So your solution is robbing from the people who supposedly benefit from this inequity and handing it out to its supposed victims? Brilliant. I can tell you MOST white people, a VAST majority reap NO economic benefit from a history of slavery. What about those people, huh? Good to see you acknowledge the point. 7 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: Please don't diminish those that lost their lives to put an end to slavery. Where did I do that? 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: Good to see you acknowledge the point. Like I thought. No solution short of massive economic robbery. Well, as someone who's a descendant of people who came to this country AFTER slavery, I'd like to tell you to take your proposal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
Uncle Joe Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Where did I do that? Broad brush - "White America brewed this problem, and has never come to grips with it because acknowledging it shows us to be who we really are. " Edited June 1, 2020 by Uncle Joe
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Reality Check said: You didn't read your homework did you? Labeling people racists and willfully ignorant aren't going to change anything. I owe you nothing. Owe me? You make the sounds of a person who knows better...
ChevyVanMiller Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Very proud of the protestors in my hometown of NIagara Falls last night. After they demonstrated and were heard, both the police chief and the mayor took a knee with them. They then lined up and this happened: 3 2
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Uncle Joe said: Broad brush - "White America brewed this problem, and has never come to grips with it because acknowledging it shows us to be who we really are. " All of which is true, the world is all shades of grey, those same people, (my relatives), who fought to end slavery also perpetuated through action or inaction abusive behavior towards Black Americans that continues to this very minute. Like it or not it is true. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: All of which is true, the world is all shades of grey, those same people, (my relatives), who fought to end slavery also perpetuated through action or inaction abusive behavior towards Black Americans that continues to this very minute. Like it or not it is true. Translation: I feel white guilt. Therefore every white person must also feel white guilt and not only that, should PAY for said white guilt. 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: All of which is true, the world is all shades of grey, those same people, (my relatives), who fought to end slavery also perpetuated through action or inaction abusive behavior towards Black Americans that continues to this very minute. Like it or not it is true. FYI: It is NOT true. The overwhelming majority of interactions between white and black Americans are not abusive in any way. Trying to spew this utterly false racist narrative is beyond tired in 2020. Unless of course you personally need help in this area...and if so I’d suggest buying a good mirror. 3
bdutton Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Engelwood said: You think there is enough paid rioters to bus rioters into every city, hell cities smaller than Buffalo like Fargo and Grand Forks North Dakota had people rioting? This is a mix of people with a lot of time on their hands, COVID lockdown, mixed with a group of people who have been marginalized and told any method they attempt to protest they are not allowed to, see NFL kneeling, and now they have had a case where it is as blatant as can be of Gross incompetence mixed with extreme racism and it has push a very large group of people over the edge. I am not condoning their actions but fully understand them. The Czech and Slovak people peacefully protested the Communist government and that lead to the collapse of the Communist Governments all through eastern Europe and lead to a (for the most part) peaceful transition to democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution That is the model that protesters here in the US should follow. Destroying businesses and infrastructure only creates more division... which may be the goals of those that are instigating the violence. Edited June 1, 2020 by bdutton 1
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Translation: I feel white guilt. Therefore every white person must also feel white guilt and not only that, should PAY for said white guilt. Its about facing the reality of our actions, are you good with never addressing the wrongs done and that are continuing to be done? 1
spartacus Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Its about facing the reality of our actions, are you good with never addressing the wrongs done and that are continuing to be done? like the burning and looting? 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: Its about facing the reality of our actions, are you good with never addressing the wrongs done and that are continuing to be done? Excuse me? Who's this "our?" 1
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: FYI: It is NOT true. The overwhelming majority of interactions between white and black Americans are not abusive in any way. Trying to spew this utterly false racist narrative is beyond tired in 2020. Unless of course you personally need help in this area...and if so I’d suggest buying a good mirror. So your okay with how your society has acted and is still acting? Me thinks more than one mirror is in order... Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Excuse me? Who's this "our?" So you are not part of society then?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: So your okay with how your society has acted and is still acting? Me thinks more than one mirror is in order... So you are not part of society then? I am, but I fail to see how I'm responsible for the actions of some slaveholders in the 1860s, Jim Crow law-writers in the post-civil-war era, or some murderous thug of a cop today. *I* didn't do any of that. Now maybe YOU have oppressed a black person somehow, but I haven't. My conscience is clean on that matter. 1
Reality Check Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Its about facing the reality of our actions, are you good with never addressing the wrongs done and that are continuing to be done? So you do something about it if it's that important to you? Why does someone else have to do it for you? You want to spread your "white guilt" to others to get something done? Good luck with that.
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: like the burning and looting? Like lynching and burning people , shooting a jogger in the park. It is OUR society, inaction is the same as condoning.
Reality Check Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: So your okay with how your society has acted and is still acting? Me thinks more than one mirror is in order... So you are not part of society then? Antifa alert!
Don Otreply Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I am, but I fail to see how I'm responsible for the actions of some slaveholders in the 1860s, Jim Crow law-writers in the post-civil-war era, or some murderous thug of a cop today. *I* didn't do any of that. Now maybe YOU have oppressed a black person somehow, but I haven't. My conscience is clean on that matter. Sadly you are evidently unable to see it... 1
Reality Check Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Like lynching and burning people , shooting a jogger in the park. It is OUR society, inaction is the same as condoning. ...and what have you personally done about?
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