atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 8:37 PM, Mr. WEO said: It's hard to believe that PFF "sensationalizes" its articles to get a rise out of Bills fans. As click bait, I doubt fans from any other team would bother to click on that article...at all. They have a formula for WAR. They applied it to Bills players for a certain time frame. Expand Ah, ok. What exactly is WAR?
Paulus Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Twas a bad couple of decades... Terrance Pegula is the MVP for 2010-2020 Booze was the MVP for 2000-2010, as it helps me forget.
Mr. WEO Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 3:21 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Ah, ok. What exactly is WAR? Expand http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Eager_PFF_WAR.pdf What is it good for? Absolutely nothin
GreggTX Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 9:12 AM, Troll Toll said: I’d say it is already either Josh or Tredavious White with an honorable mention to Fred Jackson. Expand Allen hasn't even learned to play well yet and he's MVP of the decade????? He certainly leads the league in number of apologists. No question about that.
transplantbillsfan Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Fred Jackson wasn't even top 5? What a joke 1
JoPoy88 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 5:16 AM, JetsFan20 said: Most Valuable Bills of the decade per PFF WAR 1. Tyrod Taylor 2. Ryan Fitzpatrick 3. Jairus Byrd 4. Micah Hyde 5. Stevie Johnson Expand I understand Tyrod being on there since he was the QB when they ended the drought. And stevie was an electric player and personality. But kyle williams is the answer. He was the glue that held together a (at times) shaky defense that was otherwise very good. Why he’s not up there in the “top 5” makes no sense. On 5/31/2020 at 6:34 AM, GreggTX said: Allen hasn't even learned to play well yet and he's MVP of the decade????? He certainly leads the league in number of apologists. No question about that. Expand This post is just inviting the apologists in. Ballsy. I agree with you but prepare to get hammered. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) On 5/31/2020 at 3:48 AM, Mr. WEO said: http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Eager_PFF_WAR.pdf What is it good for? Absolutely nothin Expand I didn’t click on it because honestly I don’t want to visit a PFF site. Is there a reason you Didn’t explain it in your own words? Edited May 31, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1
Mr. WEO Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 10:08 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said: I didn’t click on it because honestly I don’t want to visit a PFF site. Is there a reason you Didn’t explain it in your own words? Expand It's not a PFF site---it's the premiere sports analytics conference held annually at MIT. The reason I didn't explain it in my own words is obvious: it is much better explained by those who created/use it. So go ahead and click...it won't hurt you to learn. I promise.... 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:12 PM, Mr. WEO said: It's not a PFF site---it's the premiere sports analytics conference held annually at MIT. The reason I didn't explain it in my own words is obvious: it is much better explained by those who created/use it. So go ahead and click...it won't hurt you to learn. I promise.... Expand Nah, I am not into MIT explaining football to me. I won’t actually learn anything from it. The fact YOU can’t explain it in simple terms means it’s a bunch of numbers people use to try and prove points. You have a lot to learn about communication, and relationships. I hope it’s just your online self that needs this wake. Have a blessed day.
Blokestradamus Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:16 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Nah, I am not into MIT explaining football to me. I won’t actually learn anything from it. The fact YOU can’t explain it in simple terms means it’s a bunch of numbers people use to try and prove points. You have a lot to learn about communication, and relationships. I hope it’s just your online self that needs this wake. Have a blessed day. Expand Dude, just say that you're too dumb to wrap your head around a concept. Communicate better, boo ? 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:23 PM, Blokestradamus said: Dude, just say that you're too dumb to wrap your head around a concept. Communicate better, boo ? Expand Ah, calling people dumb because they don’t agree with your beliefs. Good morning to you and have a good one. 1
Blokestradamus Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:27 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Ah, calling people dumb because they don’t agree with your beliefs. Good morning to you and have a good one. Expand Learning isn't a belief. Just tell WEO that the intellectual evidence he provided you intimidates you. Bloody MIT and their book learning. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:29 PM, Blokestradamus said: Learning isn't a belief. Just tell WEO that the intellectual evidence he provided you intimidates you. Bloody MIT and their book learning. Expand You don’t know me at all. You have zero idea of who I am or my education. Learning isn’t a belief but to think stats or books can explain football is a fools errand. It just is. If it was so easy to put some data into a computer through a complicated equation everyone would do it. You can’t just pick players off their physical stats or stats from certain games and say he is better than him. Emotions matter, situations matter, relationships matter. Sorry, but you are wrong to pick on me about learning. I may have as much and maybe more education than you in many different areas.
Mr. WEO Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:16 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Nah, I am not into MIT explaining football to me. I won’t actually learn anything from it. The fact YOU can’t explain it in simple terms means it’s a bunch of numbers people use to try and prove points. You have a lot to learn about communication, and relationships. I hope it’s just your online self that needs this wake. Have a blessed day. Expand Holy cow. People and their damn habit of using numbers to try to prove points! Where does it all end??? Anyway, the point of all of this (now long lost) is that the article cited by OP is not about who the best player was for the Bills during that decade, but who had the highest Wins Above Replacement (replacement of another player of average value). The MIT paper actually was an evaluation of PFF's WAR. They found it value for evaluating player value. Feel free to post your opposing analysis of WAR right here. I can can be persuaded by a solid argument. Take a swing at it. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 8:59 AM, Thurman#1 said: Stevie Johnson? Good grief. Most valuable, as opposed to best yeah? So, it makes sense it's QBs, the way that the NFL MVP is pretty much always a QB. But Stevie Johnson? Yeah, not seeing that. Expand Isn’t he the only Bills WR to have three straight 1,000 yard seasons?
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 8:17 AM, JoPoy88 said: But kyle williams is the answer. He was the glue that held together a (at times) shaky defense that was otherwise very good. Why he’s not up there in the “top 5” makes no sense. Expand He probably should be in the top 5 simply for longevity, above average skill and being a team leader. But I don't recall many of the defenses he was on as very good. During his 13 year career Bills fielded a bottom half of the league defense in 9 out of those 13 years. They ranked #4 in 2014 and #2 in 2018. Mario Williams and the emergence of Jerry Hughes was a big reason why the 2014 defense was great. And the last two seasons has been due in a large part to the emergence of our secondary.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 1:54 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: Isn’t he the only Bills WR to have three straight 1,000 yard seasons? Expand True. But a pretty meaningless stat. He basically reached 1000 yards and no more. Steve Johnson: 2010: 1,073 2011: 1,004 2012: 1,046 Eric Moulds: 1998: 1,368 1999: 994 2000: 1,326 2001: 904 2002: 1,292 Moulds was 6 yards shy of putting together three straight 1000 yard seasons in which two would have been 1300+ yard seasons. Even Lee Evans racked up 35 more yards than Steve Johnson over a three season span.
Doc Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 2:34 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: True. But a pretty meaningless stat. He basically reached 1000 yards and no more. Steve Johnson: 2010: 1,073 2011: 1,004 2012: 1,046 Eric Moulds: 1998: 1,368 1999: 994 2000: 1,326 2001: 904 2002: 1,292 Moulds was 6 yards shy of putting together three straight 1000 yard seasons in which two would have been 1300+ yard seasons. Even Lee Evans racked up 35 more yards than Steve Johnson over a three season span. Expand Moulds missed 2 games that 1999 season.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 2:39 PM, Doc said: Moulds missed 2 games that 1999 season. Expand Good catch. I missed that. 1
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