Jump to content

Dan Orlovsky just did AFCE QB rankings on ESPN. Had Allen at #3!

buffaloboyinATL
 Share

Recommended Posts

Alphadawg7 Hall of Famer

Alphadawg7

Posted
Posted (edited)
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:07 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Mark Sanchez had 5 game winning drives in 2010.   This stat is so misleading without context.  That 14-7 Titans comeback was an awful offensive football game and their kicker missed 3 fgs I believe.  Mahomes lost a game where he led them to 51 points!  That goes down as a loss.  It’s dumb without context. 
 

for instance, Allen could have zero game winning drives this year and be a much, much, much better qb. 

Expand  

 

You are also ignoring that Allen scored the 6th most TDs last year despite starting and finishing just 14 games.  He was one of the highest rated passers in the entire 4th quarter.  Has the most game winning comebacks in the 4th in the NFL over his 2 years in the NFL, again after missing or not finishing 6 games.  And he put up 30 TDs last year despite playing with NINE new starters on offense.

 

Want another fun stat to show how bad his supporting cast was in the deep game struggles:

 

Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to Brown had a 109 QB rating!   

Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to everyone else had a 21 QB rating!  

 

Despite the short comings of his WR group, the NFL leading Bills in dropped passes, 9 new starters on offense, including rookies, an ever shifting OL with Ford moving around...the kid STILL put up 30 TDs in 14 and some change games, led us to 10 wins, tied for most comeback wins, and got us to the playoffs in just his 2nd season.  

 

Comparing him to Sanchez is utterly ridiculous.  

Edited by Alphadawg7
  • Like (+1) 1
  • Thank you (+1) 2
  • Replies 312
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

DCOrange
DCOrange

I don't think this is egregious at all. I personally would rank Allen higher than that, but saying Darnold and Tua are better than Allen is reasonable IMO.

Gugny
Gugny

How can a QB who's never taken a snap in the NFL be better than Allen or Darnold?

Mr. WEO
Mr. WEO

Oh the humanity...

Billl Veteran

Billl

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:17 PM, billsbackto81 said:

Dan Orlovsky. The 5 star recruit that committed to the powerhouse football program of UConn University. 

 

The guy who in 8 seasons started 12 games with a 58% comp rate, 3132 yds and a 15/13 TD- INT rate.

 

The guy actually ranks Carson Wentz above Aaron Rodgers? 

 

Yeah! That guy!

Expand  

 

  On 5/27/2020 at 8:24 PM, H2o said:

This Dan Orlovsky, the one that couldn't judge that he was a yard and a half out of bounds? He's the one ranking QB's? 

Best Dan Orlovsky GIFs | Gfycat

Expand  

The guy probably doesn’t even post on message boards.  He can’t possibly know more than us about QB play.

  • Haha (+1) 1
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Veteran

Lieutenant Aldo Raine

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:27 PM, Billl said:

You love that chart, but nobody has said big stats in college mean NFL success.  They’re simply a prerequisite in nearly very case historically.  Having great eyesight doesn’t mean you can be an NFL QB, but being blind means you can’t.

Expand  

 

LOL; people on this board pass around college stats like hippies pass joints at Haight Ashbury.   And what do you mean as a prerequisite?  By using the word "They're" you are implying Big Stats based on your previous sentence.  

Bangarang Hall of Famer

Bangarang

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:35 PM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

You mean like being up 16-0 at halftime in a playoff game only to watch the defense give up 22 points in the 2nd half?  That kind of dominate defense when it mattered most! 

Expand  


Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Oy vei ?
 

  1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Don't get me wrong, Allen and the offense could have performed better in second half as well; but the defense seems to get a pass in the biggest game of the year and perhaps biggest game in the past 20 years.  But, I guess it's all Allen's fault to you!

Expand  


Yes, I’m saying it’s literally all Allen’s fault. Everything. 
 

The defense could have been better but it’s hard to stay mad at them when they are one of the leagues best and a big reason why we’ve even made the playoffs twice in the last 3 years. 
 

The offense hasn’t been nearly as good so they don’t get the benefit of doubt.

Billl Veteran

Billl

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:45 PM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

LOL; people on this board pass around college stats like hippies pass joints at Haight Ashbury.   And what do you mean as a prerequisite?  By using the word "They're" you are implying Big Stats based on your previous sentence.  

Expand  

Show me a franchise NFL QB with college stats worse than Allen’s and I'll show you 10 who dwarf them.  It’s hard to find good NFL QBs based only in college production, but it’s incredibly easy to predict QBs who won’t make it in the NFL based on college production.

  On 5/27/2020 at 8:48 PM, GoBills808 said:

God forbid Bills fans prefer their QB to the Dolphins' small rookie w/a broken hip

Expand  

Literally nobody is complaining that Bills fans prefer Josh to Tua, and literally nobody is confusing the two of them for Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken.

Lieutenant Aldo Raine Veteran

Lieutenant Aldo Raine

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:47 PM, Bangarang said:


Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Oy vei ?
 


Yes, I’m saying it’s literally all Allen’s fault. Everything. 
 

The defense could have been better but it’s hard to stay mad at them when they are one of the leagues best and a big reason why we’ve even made the playoffs twice in the last 3 years. 
 

The offense hasn’t been nearly as good so they don’t get the benefit of doubt.

Expand  

 

If only Allen had made that tackle when it was 3rd and 18 and a stop probably would have sealed the game!  Damn he sucks!  

  On 5/27/2020 at 8:48 PM, Billl said:

Show me a franchise NFL QB with college stats worse than Allen’s and I'll show you 10 who dwarf them.  It’s hard to find good NFL QBs based only in college production, but it’s incredibly easy to predict QBs who won’t make it in the NFL based on college production.

Literally nobody is complaining that Bills fans prefer Josh to Tua, and literally nobody is confusing the two of them for Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken.

Expand  

 

So tell me Chief, why did the Bills draft him then?  At #7 of all places, Why?    

CountDorkula Veteran

CountDorkula

Posted
Posted

in terms of pure talent id rank them

 

Darnold

Tua/Allen

Patriots QB whomever it is.

 

 

Darnold is the most talented guy, but has been ruined by an inept Jets front office and coaching staff.

 

Tua has all the arm and athletic talent in the world and is a dual threat much like Allen. He is the real deal, IMO. Hate that he went to Miami. Can he remain healthy is the question. Will it transition to the pros.

 

 

 

C.Biscuit97 Hall of Famer

C.Biscuit97

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:43 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You are also ignoring that Allen scored the 6th most TDs last year despite starting and finishing just 14 games.  He was one of the highest rated passers in the entire 4th quarter.  Has the most game winning comebacks in the 4th in the NFL over his 2 years in the NFL, again after missing or not finishing 6 games.  And he put up 30 TDs last year despite playing with NINE new starters on offense.

 

Want another fun stat to show how bad his supporting cast was in the deep game struggles:

 

Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to Brown had a 109 QB rating!   

Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to everyone else had a 21 QB rating!  

 

Despite the short comings of his WR group, the NFL leading Bills in dropped passes, 9 new starters on offense, including rookies, an ever shifting OL with Ford moving around...the kid STILL put up 30 TDs in 14 and some change games, led us to 10 wins, tied for most comeback wins, and got us to the playoffs in just his 2nd season.  

 

Comparing him to Sanchez is utterly ridiculous.  

Expand  

Never said he was Sanchez (though Mark averaged more years passing that year for perspective).  I definitely think he is better than Sanchez.  It just shows that the stat doesn’t mean you’re Joe Montana in a SB every game.

 

and again, he’s done good things but certain stats are misleading.  Like Combined tds for QBs.  Rushing tds is a very random number and goes down the longer a player plays.  Also, guys like Rodgers and Brees lose tds because they have short yardage backs and Hill.  Our offense scored 19 points a game.  
 

And what would Mitch’s numbers be if his wrs caught their 25 drops!!! Again, saying you prefer Tua over Allen isn’t really some hot take.  I think the vast majority of football people would take Tua if they knew he was healthy over most young QBs not named Mahomes.  He was a beast at Bama.

  On 5/27/2020 at 9:15 PM, CountDorkula said:

in terms of pure talent id rank them

 

Darnold

Tua/Allen

Patriots QB whomever it is.

 

 

Darnold is the most talented guy, but has been ruined by an inept Jets front office and coaching staff.

 

Tua has all the arm and athletic talent in the world and is a dual threat much like Allen. He is the real deal, IMO. Hate that he went to Miami. Can he remain healthy is the question. Will it transition to the pros.

 

 

 

Expand  

You really think Darnold is more talented than Tua?   I disagree with that one. 

  On 5/27/2020 at 9:22 PM, GoBills808 said:

You're good w/Allen ranked 3rd QB in the division?

Expand  

The 3rd ranked qb in the NFC South might be Matt Ryan.  Look at the bright side. ?

  • Like (+1) 1
Alphadawg7 Hall of Famer

Alphadawg7

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 9:27 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Never said he was Sanchez (though Mark averaged more years passing that year for perspective).  I definitely think he is better than Sanchez.  It just shows that the stat doesn’t mean you’re Joe Montana in a SB every game.

 

and again, he’s done good things but certain stats are misleading.  Like Combined tds for QBs.  Rushing tds is a very random number and goes down the longer a player plays.  Also, guys like Rodgers and Brees lose tds because they have short yardage backs and Hill.  Our offense scored 19 points a game.  
 

And what would Mitch’s numbers be if his wrs caught their 25 drops!!! Again, saying you prefer Tua over Allen isn’t really some hot take.  I think the vast majority of football people would take Tua if they knew he was healthy over most young QBs not named Mahomes.  He was a beast at Bama.

Expand  

 

I would bet less than 10 teams in the NFL would choose Tua over Allen right now today.  Allen showed great strides and people who know football are high on Allen.  There are some GM's that may not be sold, but I don't think its many and its probably none of the good ones.  

C.Biscuit97 Hall of Famer

C.Biscuit97

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 8:41 PM, John from Riverside said:

We dont know if Stidham is better then Tua

 

And frankly neither does Orlavsky

Expand  

I would bet you a lot of money Tua will have a better nfl career than Stidham (assuming he can stay healthy).  Of course no one knows for sure but it’s not really a stretch to think that.

 

and it’s funny when Chris Simms or Jordan Palmer gives positive stuff about Allen, no posters try to put down their careers, ?

  • Thank you (+1) 1
Doc Hall of Famer

Doc

Posted
Posted
  On 5/27/2020 at 9:29 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

I would bet less than 10 teams in the NFL would choose Tua over Allen right now today.  Allen showed great strides and people who know football are high on Allen.  There are some GM's that may not be sold, but I don't think its many and its probably none of the good ones.  

Expand  

 

Probably fewer than 10.  Tuna couldn't stay healthy in college.  And the best ability is...

  • Like (+1) 1
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...