Mr. WEO Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 Jones screwed this up. Never should have paid Cooper. 1
Plano Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 LOL he sucks he is not worth this money, for the last time. He's worth about 50k and an unlimited car wash package.
Hampton Josh fan Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 Just goes to show, a slightly above average QB, who has accomplished very little, gets ridiculous money. The Buffalo defense made him look like Peterman Thanksgiving day. Every QB in the AFC east will be as good or probably better.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Jones screwed this up. Never should have paid Cooper. This is where they dropped the ball. I’d bet if they knew they could get Lamb they would have never paid Cooper. They can certainly afford Dak but he needed to be the priority.
purple haze Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 13 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Except like Dalton, Prescott has also showed he can only get so far. Dak is not worth what he’s asking for. He’s done nothing to deserve that kind of contract. Dallas is Elliott’s team not Prescott’s. Prescott to me is just a better version of Tyrod Taylor. You cave in and pay Prescott what he wants, then say goodbye to any chance of getting a super bowl But they won’t be able to if Jones pays him what he wants. That team financially will fall apart Prescott is younger than Dalton and still can grow. He's better than Tyrod too. No QB is "worth" what Prescott will get, but that's business in the NFL. Next QB up gets paid. Mahomes will get paid more and on and on.
Mr. WEO Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is where they dropped the ball. I’d bet if they knew they could get Lamb they would have never paid Cooper. They can certainly afford Dak but he needed to be the priority. You never lock up a WR when your franchise QB is due. You franchise a guy like Cooper all day long. 2
GoBills808 Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: You never lock up a WR when your franchise QB is due. You franchise a guy like Cooper all day long. And you certainly don't pay an RB first. Like, ever imo
Mr. WEO Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: And you certainly don't pay an RB first. Like, ever imo I'd pay Elliot before Cooper. He's more valuable to the team. 2
NewEra Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Jones screwed this up. Never should have paid Cooper. No doubt. That might be the worst contract in football considering the cowboys situation. 1
Mr. WEO Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: No doubt. That might be the worst contract in football considering the cowboys situation. And now he's untradeable.
NewEra Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: And now he's untradeable. And we couldn’t be happier!! although I am quite PO’d that Lamb fell into their lap. He was my favorite player in the draft. 1
Mr. WEO Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Has Chris Simms weighed in on this yet....other than to say that maybe Taysom Hill is the better of the 2? 1
Plano Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 I'll say it again. DAK IS NOT GOOD. Dallas is the laughing stock of the NFL for even entertaining his "demands" and offering him this. He is also a complete moron for turning this down. Especially in this time, when he likely isn't even going to play this year, can get paid to sit at home at this crazy rate. But nah, he's going to turn it down and expect better elsewhere. GTFO
Kirby Jackson Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Plano said: I'll say it again. DAK IS NOT GOOD. Dallas is the laughing stock of the NFL for even entertaining his "demands" and offering him this. He is also a complete moron for turning this down. Especially in this time, when he likely isn't even going to play this year, can get paid to sit at home at this crazy rate. But nah, he's going to turn it down and expect better elsewhere. GTFO Just because you yell it doesn’t make it true. Dak is definitely good. That’s not even up for debate. Is Dak great? Can Dak become great? Those are different questions. 2 1
billsfan89 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 6:30 AM, Hampton Josh fan said: Just goes to show, a slightly above average QB, who has accomplished very little, gets ridiculous money. The Buffalo defense made him look like Peterman Thanksgiving day. Every QB in the AFC east will be as good or probably better. I wouldn't say he looked like Peterman but Dak looked subpar against top defenses. If you are paying Dak you are paying him on speculation that he will improve his quality of play.
Hampton Josh fan Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I wouldn't say he looked like Peterman but Dak looked subpar against top defenses. If you are paying Dak you are paying him on speculation that he will improve his quality of play. I guess in the environment we have, if you believe a guy has a high ceiling, you have to retain him. That's why I'm rooting so hard for Josh. It's painful to start the process again if you're a team that's 9and 7 or 8and8. You're drafting to late to get an elite talent. Plus that scenario is a coach killer.
billsfan89 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Hampton Josh fan said: I guess in the environment we have, if you believe a guy has a high ceiling, you have to retain him. That's why I'm rooting so hard for Josh. It's painful to start the process again if you're a team that's 9and 7 or 8and8. You're drafting to late to get an elite talent. Plus that scenario is a coach killer. The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract.
aristocrat Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Cowboys have had a terrible secondary for years and if you can’t stop the pass in this league you’re not winning. They draft front seven pretty well but wide open in the back
Hampton Josh fan Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract. Sounds about right.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract. I keep harping on it but Dallas is in a different situation. They have Lamb, Cooper, Zeke, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith, Demarcus Lawrence, Jaylon Smith, Gallup, etc... all under contract for AT LEAST the next 3 years. They AREN’T making sacrifices to keep Dak. They have like 9 of their 10 best players (excluding Vander Esche) under contract for 3+ seasons. To equate the sacrifices that they’ll be making to the Bills it would be like being forced to go with Vosean Joseph instead of AJ Klein. You aren’t going to sign veteran depth guys. You’re going to have to draft well because the middle and back of your roster will be younger. Is that even a drop off though? That’s the situation that they are in. The top of their roster is locked in and ready to roll. They’ve drafted well so have some young talent on rookie deals. They’re going to have to continue to do so but they’re in good shape. Edited June 23, 2020 by Kirby Jackson
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