Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 This started life in the OTW Covid info thread, but it seems to have interest in discussion. Thanks @Margarita Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM (edited) I just saw this and found it interesting if you'd rather move it hapless no worries The NFL is testing facemasks that could help prevent the spread of COVID-19. Dr. Thom Mayer, the NFLPA’s medical director, revealed on Adam Schefter’s podcast Monday that NFL engineers and sports performance company Oakley are testing prototypes of modified facemasks containing surgical or N95 material.https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com:2020:05:18:nfl-testing-modified-facemasks-containing-surgical-or-n95-material Edited Tuesday at 01:26 PM by Margarita cant get the link to post without a copy paste sorry @Hapless Bills Fan Posted Tuesday at 04:06 PM On 5/19/2020 at 1:25 PM, Margarita said: I just saw this and found it interesting if you'd rather move it hapless no worries The NFL is testing facemasks that could help prevent the spread of COVID-19. Dr. Thom Mayer, the NFLPA’s medical director, revealed on Adam Schefter’s podcast Monday that NFL engineers and sports performance company Oakley are testing prototypes of modified facemasks containing surgical or N95 material.https-::profootballtalk.nbcsports.com:2020:05:18:nfl-testing-modified-facemasks-containing-surgical-or-n95-material: I guess it's good that they're testing it, but as someone who has worn various flavors of mask and is masking-up as a "public good" these days - I got to tell you, I can't imagine how a properly fitted N95 mask would possibly work for football. Even hiking up a modest hill, I can feel the restriction a well-fit mask places on my breathing. It's nothing my lungs can't overcome, but neither am I putting out top of the line, maximum athletic performance for 2 1/2 hrs. Also, N95 masks depend upon being dry for proper filtration - one of my friends has been feverishly sewing cloth masks for her RT neighbor, who wears them OVER his N95 mask to absorb sweat and extend the mask's life. Like I said, I just can't imagine a top athlete in peak condition putting out maximum effort in a filtering mask ? Maybe my imagination is too limited - firefighters and other first responders do, after all, charge up multiple flights of stairs wearing breathing masks and turnout gear. 1 2 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2020 Author Posted May 21, 2020 @The Dean thanks for the info! My understanding is it might be something like wrapping the football facemask in the material, not actually a mask. Picture the huge face masks, with very small holes (to prevent fingers piking through) covered in the material. I'm not sure then can make it a proper fit, but still my understanding is that's the kind of thing they are talking about. As always, I could be wrong. Edited Tuesday at 04:49 PM by The Dean Clarity @leh-nerd skin-erd I can't call you crazy on this: Posted 19 hours ago On 5/19/2020 at 4:48 PM, The Dean said: My understanding is it might be something like wrapping the football facemask in the material, not actually a mask. Picture the huge face masks, with very small holes (to prevent fingers piking through) covered in the material. I'm not sure then can make it a proper fit, but still my understanding is that's the kind of thing they are talking about. As always, I could be wrong. Call me crazy, but in a violent game with professional athletes colliding with tremendous force, with sweat and blood and snot flying about, ending with 16-22 men all piled on to one another....does this seem like testing the strength of the wind gusts with a licked finger during a cat 5 hurricane? Add to that the concern that the virus can enter the body through the eyeballs.... I'm not seeing it. 2 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2020 Author Posted May 21, 2020 @NoHuddleKelly12 Posted 48 minutes ago 15 hours ago, Limeaid said: We need to create space suits football players can wear. This may be a low cost option? 2 4
keepthefaith Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 Dumb. Test the players a couple times per week. 1
bigK14094 Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) Not clear how to pull this off, but they will try. And, some version of this idea may well be part of it. Just another enhancement on the face mask idea that was new 60 years ago. Such innovations won't be perfect, but could have some moderate effectiveness imho. got to do something about the oxygen and water bottle thing on the sidelines, though. Huddles? well, a lot to work through. I won't bet against the NFL wrt the players playing. Now, fans....thats a problem with the regulators in the game here. Lots of different states, counties going to have a voice. Edited May 23, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan poly ticks and nursing homes excised 1
Big Gun Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 When will people learn that masks do not work! [Mod Edit: Hi, if you wish general discussion of covid and recent learnings, the OTW covid discussion thread and the PPP covid threads are at your service. I would personally be very interested in your references that masks do not work, should you choose to share it in the OTW threads. Review: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v2 Google doc with links to more research: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLrm0pqBN_5bdyysOeoOBX4pt4oFDBhsC_jpblXpNtQ/edit#heading=h.9yzpxufkt5ow Please try to keep discussion on TSW as football-relevant, which general discussion of masks not working is not. Thanks!] 2 1
thenorthremembers Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: @The Dean thanks for the info! My understanding is it might be something like wrapping the football facemask in the material, not actually a mask. Picture the huge face masks, with very small holes (to prevent fingers piking through) covered in the material. I'm not sure then can make it a proper fit, but still my understanding is that's the kind of thing they are talking about. As always, I could be wrong. Edited Tuesday at 04:49 PM by The Dean Clarity @leh-nerd skin-erd I can't call you crazy on this: Posted 19 hours ago Call me crazy, but in a violent game with professional athletes colliding with tremendous force, with sweat and blood and snot flying about, ending with 16-22 men all piled on to one another....does this seem like testing the strength of the wind gusts with a licked finger during a cat 5 hurricane? Add to that the concern that the virus can enter the body through the eyeballs.... I'm not seeing it. Agree with you completely. They also are pointless the second the helmet comes off. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) there it is.... Edited May 21, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce
MJS Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 I think it would have to be more like a face shield rather than n95 masks. The masks can be kind of difficult to breath through and if you have football players in high exertion, breathing heavily, I don't think it is feasible. Does sweat pass the virus, or is it only respiratory droplets? 2
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This started life in the OTW Covid info thread, but it seems to have interest in discussion. Thanks @Margarita Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM (edited) I just saw this and found it interesting if you'd rather move it hapless no worries The NFL is testing facemasks that could help prevent the spread of COVID-19. Dr. Thom Mayer, the NFLPA’s medical director, revealed on Adam Schefter’s podcast Monday that NFL engineers and sports performance company Oakley are testing prototypes of modified facemasks containing surgical or N95 material.https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com:2020:05:18:nfl-testing-modified-facemasks-containing-surgical-or-n95-material Edited Tuesday at 01:26 PM by Margarita cant get the link to post without a copy paste sorry @Hapless Bills Fan Posted Tuesday at 04:06 PM I guess it's good that they're testing it, but as someone who has worn various flavors of mask and is masking-up as a "public good" these days - I got to tell you, I can't imagine how a properly fitted N95 mask would possibly work for football. Even hiking up a modest hill, I can feel the restriction a well-fit mask places on my breathing. It's nothing my lungs can't overcome, but neither am I putting out top of the line, maximum athletic performance for 2 1/2 hrs. Also, N95 masks depend upon being dry for proper filtration - one of my friends has been feverishly sewing cloth masks for her RT neighbor, who wears them OVER his N95 mask to absorb sweat and extend the mask's life. Like I said, I just can't imagine a top athlete in peak condition putting out maximum effort in a filtering mask ? Maybe my imagination is too limited - firefighters and other first responders do, after all, charge up multiple flights of stairs wearing breathing masks and turnout gear. Are they going to fit the helmets with a vacuum pump that sucks all carbon dioxide out? Can you imagine a big name going down because they couldn't get enough oxygen in and CO2 out? Would they just call it brain or heart cramps if it did happen to minimize the bad PR?
billsfan89 Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I think it would have to be more like a face shield rather than n95 masks. The masks can be kind of difficult to breath through and if you have football players in high exertion, breathing heavily, I don't think it is feasible. Does sweat pass the virus, or is it only respiratory droplets? I honestly don’t see how the NFL can play football and not risk player to player transmission. Given the high contact nature of the sport there just doesn’t seem to be anyway beyond consistent testing that you could do to limit the players exposure to the virus. I think you just have to let players assume the risk themselves and test them at every turn to avoid a huge spread. 1
LeGOATski Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 the material would have to extend from below the neck and under the pads all the way around the helmet or else there's no point.
MJS Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: I honestly don’t see how the NFL can play football and not risk player to player transmission. Given the high contact nature of the sport there just doesn’t seem to be anyway beyond consistent testing that you could do to limit the players exposure to the virus. I think you just have to let players assume the risk themselves and test them at every turn to avoid a huge spread. Yeah, and it makes it tough because NFL players are all in great shape, young, and very few have preexisting conditions. And with how many can be asymptomatic, it would suck to have to sit players for a few weeks when they have no symptoms, but test positive.
LeGOATski Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I honestly don’t see how the NFL can play football and not risk player to player transmission. Given the high contact nature of the sport there just doesn’t seem to be anyway beyond consistent testing that you could do to limit the players exposure to the virus. I think you just have to let players assume the risk themselves and test them at every turn to avoid a huge spread. The problem is that testing is after-the-fact. One player tests positive, then they have to lock down the teams they played the past two weeks, plus the teams those teams played the following week. That gets messy real quick. It's just gonna be a play-at-your-own risk situation. If some players choose not to play, then that kind of puts a damper on the season.
billsfan89 Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: No, you have been told what to do by "experts" you should shut your mouth and never again question anyting they say, they are God... Also how dare you suggest reasonable discussion...off with your head! If you hire a building inspector to assess the foundation of your home do you trust your Google skills or the "Expert" (not sure why you put expert in quotations, are there not doctors that study infectious diseases and that have been writing books and sounding the alarm on this situation years ahead of time.) It is one thing if you wanted to bring in a second opinion from another more or equally qualified person but to say that your opinion on a matter carries as much weight as a specialist in the field is as silly as the aforementioned analogy. 38 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The problem is that testing is after-the-fact. One player tests positive, then they have to lock down the teams they played the past two weeks, plus the teams those teams played the following week. That gets messy real quick. It's just gonna be a play-at-your-own risk situation. If some players choose not to play, then that kind of puts a damper on the season. That's the tricky thing about this. Players and training/coaching/team staff is going to have to assume risks as there just isn't much we can do. Edited May 21, 2020 by billsfan89 1 2
Mr. WEO Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, pop gun said: When will people learn that masks do not work! The "virions" are transported/transferred in water vapor/droplets, which are blocked by the masks. Also, "85% of all people tested" are not asymptomatic "carriers". This guy is a tool. 7 2 1
Mr. WEO Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: But he is an EXPERT!!! Sure is.. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pop gun said: When will people learn that masks do not work! fake science. Viruses are not just magically flying around in the air by themselves. They don’t have wings. and no one is claiming masks cure all either, just a potential mitigation. I don’t see it helping in football though, there are body fluids flying all over the place Edited May 21, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
Johnnycage46 Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Who do I listen to then if I'm incapable of understanding such complex matters as graciously pointed out by fellow forum members and other members of our lovely society and the experts aren't telling me what to do and think correctly?!?!?!?! Actual experts. No quotations. Just, actual experts, with expert expertise in the field of infectious disease...expert. 1 1 1
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