I have a serious question for the Trump haters on this board?

[CarpetCrawler]

19 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Put down the crack pipe Trumptard! 

Yes Auntie

[Deranged Rhino]

15 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

I mean he refuses to release his more recent returns despite having said he would numerous times.

Honest question — what do you think the returns will show? We know there’s nothing illegal in them, if there were it would have dropped long ago (either while Trump was a candidate — we know how 44 weaponized the IRS against his opponents previously — or during the three CI investigations launched). So, what’s the end game in your eyes? 
 

Can we agree the best hope is something embarrassing which would then be used politically? And if we can, then ask yourself if you’d release them if you were in Trump’s shoes after seeing first hand how dishonest the media is for the past 4 years? 

Don’t hate the player for beating the game. 

[Q-baby!]

5 minutes ago, CarpetCrawler said:

Yes Auntie

Touch your pee pee! 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Honest question — what do you think the returns will show? We know there’s nothing illegal in them, if there were it would have dropped long ago (either while Trump was a candidate — we know how 44 weaponized the IRS against his opponents previously — or during the three CI investigations launched). So, what’s the end game in your eyes? 
 

Can we agree the best hope is something embarrassing which would then be used politically? And if we can, then ask yourself if you’d release them if you were in Trump’s shoes after seeing first hand how dishonest the media is for the past 4 years? 

Don’t hate the player for beating the game. 

If we're just eliminating the more criminal possibilities I'd say the most likely candidate would be that he's nowhere near as rich as he pretends to be it's something so closely tied to his ego and how he sees himself that I could believe that he wouldn't let that out at all costs.

[Q-baby!]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

If we're just eliminating the more criminal possibilities I'd say the most likely candidate would be that he's nowhere near as rich as he pretends to be it's something so closely tied to his ego and how he sees himself that I could believe that he wouldn't let that out at all costs.

Yep. He’s a complete fraud and stupid people fall for it! 

[Reality Check]

 

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, BillStime said:

Thankfully I don’t rely on the government for assistance. So Trump or Biden - my firm will still bring in more than $50B year. 

Not buying it.    I’m gonna consult with a big time lawyer named @Crayola64 to catch you in this lie.  
 

Your meme game screams minimum wage, mad at the world.  

Edited May 21, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[SectionC3]

8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Not how it works my friend. You have obviously seen Trumps return to proclaim he pays no taxes. So back up your claim or admit you’re wrong. 

Wait. I thought he lies all the time. I can’t keep up with the playbook. 

I think Trump himself said in 2016 that he pays no income taxes. “Because I’m smart!” Was the explanation, if I recall correctly. 
 

 

5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Honest question — what do you think the returns will show? We know there’s nothing illegal in them, if there were it would have dropped long ago (either while Trump was a candidate — we know how 44 weaponized the IRS against his opponents previously — or during the three CI investigations launched). So, what’s the end game in your eyes? 
 

Can we agree the best hope is something embarrassing which would then be used politically? And if we can, then ask yourself if you’d release them if you were in Trump’s shoes after seeing first hand how dishonest the media is for the past 4 years? 

Don’t hate the player for beating the game. 

They’ll show he’s not earning nearly as much as he has suggested.  Which will be another link the Trump is a fraud chain. 

[ALF]

Trump brags about not paying taxes: ‘That makes me smart’

 

“The only years that anybody’s ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax,” Clinton said.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

If we're just eliminating the more criminal possibilities I'd say the most likely candidate would be that he's nowhere near as rich as he pretends to be it's something so closely tied to his ego and how he sees himself that I could believe that he wouldn't let that out at all costs.

Good call. IRS Schedule XRayNiner-Bingo-7-Alpha-Oscar EGO FMV (*Fair Market Value) will be very enlightening indeed.  
 

37 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I think Trump himself said in 2016 that he pays no income taxes. “Because I’m smart!” Was the explanation, if I recall correctly. 
 

 

They’ll show he’s not earning nearly as much as he has suggested.  Which will be another link the Trump is a fraud chain. 

What’s amazing to me is why the IRS and MSM are keeping the prosecution for tax evasion under wraps.  Political influence, of this I am sure. 

[BillStime]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Honest question — what do you think the returns will show? We know there’s nothing illegal in them, if there were it would have dropped long ago (either while Trump was a candidate — we know how 44 weaponized the IRS against his opponents previously — or during the three CI investigations launched). So, what’s the end game in your eyes? 
 

Can we agree the best hope is something embarrassing which would then be used politically? And if we can, then ask yourself if you’d release them if you were in Trump’s shoes after seeing first hand how dishonest the media is for the past 4 years? 

Don’t hate the player for beating the game. 

 

?

 

This is why you have zero credibility on this board.  You will literally defend Trump over EVERY pesky detail.

 

We don't have to see what is in Trumps taxes - we have already seen enough to know he is a lying SOB.

 

Trump inflated net worth by $4 billion in bid to buy Bills

 

Michael Cohen told lawmakers that Donald Trump grossly overstated his wealth before becoming president, including inflating his assets during a failed bid to buy the Buffalo Bills in 2014.

 

How Donald Trump Reportedly Inflated His Net Worth to Lenders

 

Here is some more reading for you @Deranged Rhino - you could learn a lot from your master:

Learn How To Avoid Con Men From Michael Cohen And Donald Trump

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

So if I understand it now we’re upset because the President isn’t a billionaire? I thought we hated billionaires!
 

Or are now we upset because the President tries to pay as little taxes as the law allows? Isn’t that what the other 300 million of us are doing?

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Not buying it.    I’m gonna consult with a big time lawyer named @Crayola64 to catch you in this lie.  
 

Your meme game screams minimum wage, mad at the world.  

 

okay, KGB

[oldmanfan]

A honest question that deserves an honest answer.  I want Trump gone because I think he is totally unqualified for the position.  I think he lies repeatedly about things, I think he is anything but a fiscal conservative, I think he refuses to accept responsibility for things under his presidency, highlighted by the coronavirus issue.  I think if you read through the Muller report that Muller wanted to indict but felt he could not due to DOJ guidelines.  And if you look at things like the inspectors general and such it seems clear to me that Trump does not want to be president.  He wants to be king or, worse, a dictator.  And to me we had a revolution back in the 1700's to fight against that.  

 

You ask why then I would support Obama.  Well,  I didn't.  I voted for McCain (and prayed he'd be healthy so we did not have to have another supremely unqualified individual in Palin in the office).  I did not think Obama had the qualifications to be elected in 2008, and I was not a fan of his fiscal policies, and I really disagreed with his foreign policy.  Drawing a red line and then stepping back in Syria was the height of weakness.    In 2012 I thought Romney would have been a good president, and I lost again.  I still think Romney would be good.  And I think Romney being good is reflected in part that he thinks Trump is bad.

 

I am independent, very conservative on issues such as fiscal policy and law and order, much more liberal in terms of social policies.  I have two daughters and having a serial abuser like Trump in the White House makes me angry.  I think our country is better than that.  I think our country deserves better leadership than that.  I know this side of the board is populated by the Deep State conspiracists, the right wings folks (not Republicans, I think the concept of the Republican party as the party I knew it and once belonged to disappeared in 2016). So I suspect my thoughts here will be denigrated, and that's part of the problem.  I think this country desperately needs to unite again, to be able to have political discourse and political disagreement without resorting to childish name calling, and, worse, making up stories out of whole cloth to try and tear down the other side.  

 

What I would ask is really, really simple:  if the parties were flip flopped, and you had a Democrat in the office behaving the way Trump is doing so now, would your views change?  I would say yes to most everyone here.  The very things one defends about Trump would have had the same folks calling for Obama's head and screaming impeachment if the opposite party had done so.  And vice versa for democrats if Obama were a Republican.  If Obama were a Republican, and McConnell pulled the stuff with Garland as a Democrat, the same folks who defended it would have screamed bloody murder. 

 

This tribalization, polarization, and inability to see things through the opposite side of the prism is going to destroy this country, because everyone knows that the extremes on both sides of the political spectrum will never get what they want.  Because they don't have enough votes to do so. we have a national crisis right now.  In times of crisis (other than the Civil War) the country has historically come together; this time it is drawing the country further apart.  We can't stand for this much longer without losing what made our country great.

 

So you asked, there's my answer.  I hope you can have a civil discourse about it.  Regrettably I suspect not.

 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

9 hours ago, BillStime said:

density

[ den-si-tee ]SHOW IPA

SEE SYNONYMS FOR density ON THESAURUS.COM

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noun,  plural den·si·ties.

the state or quality of being dense; compactness; closely set or crowded condition.

I am glad we agree- liberals have street parties and other dense gatherings during a pandemic while conservatives do not.

[Tiberius]

President Trump, in defense of his alleged use of a drug the Food and Drug Administration has warned does not offer protection against the coronavirus but does have serious side effects, has insisted that front-line health-care workers are using hydroxychloroquine to protect against the virus. Unless they are part of an approved drug trial, that is almost certainly false. (In any event, Trump now claims he will be done taking the drug in a day or two.) Meanwhile, Trump refuses to take the obvious and effective precaution: namely, using a mask.

At his daily news conference, New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) provided some useful information:

What shocks me to this day, and I would have lost a lot of money on this bet: How do front-line workers have a lower infection rate than the general population? If I said to you, who is going to have a higher infection rate, nurses in an emergency room, doctors in an emergency room, or the general population, who has a higher infection rate? I think most people would’ve said the nurses in the emergency room, the doctors in the emergency room, the hospital staff. They are going to have a higher infection rate because they are dealing with covid-positive people all day long. Not true.

So why are all these front-line people getting infected less than the general public? It’s not hydroxychloroquine. Cuomo told reporters: “How does the NYPD, police officers who show up who are dealing with people all day long, how do they have a lower infection rate? How does the NYPD have almost half the infection rate of New York City? How can it be? They are the police officers.” He explained: “They are wearing the mask. The mask works. Those surgical masks work, and it’s in the data. It’s not that I’m saying it. It’s in the data and it is otherwise inexplicable.” All those endangered workers are not taking hydroxychloroquine, as Trump claimed; they are doing what Trump won’t do. “They wear the masks. Wear a mask. Remember all those pictures of people in China always wearing masks? Oh, I wonder why they wear all those masks. They were right. The masks work. They are protective and they work. Wear a mask."

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

A honest question that deserves an honest answer.  I want Trump gone because I think he is totally unqualified for the position.  I think he lies repeatedly about things, I think he is anything but a fiscal conservative, I think he refuses to accept responsibility for things under his presidency, highlighted by the coronavirus issue.  I think if you read through the Muller report that Muller wanted to indict but felt he could not due to DOJ guidelines.  And if you look at things like the inspectors general and such it seems clear to me that Trump does not want to be president.  He wants to be king or, worse, a dictator.  And to me we had a revolution back in the 1700's to fight against that.  

 

You ask why then I would support Obama.  Well,  I didn't.  I voted for McCain (and prayed he'd be healthy so we did not have to have another supremely unqualified individual in Palin in the office).  I did not think Obama had the qualifications to be elected in 2008, and I was not a fan of his fiscal policies, and I really disagreed with his foreign policy.  Drawing a red line and then stepping back in Syria was the height of weakness.    In 2012 I thought Romney would have been a good president, and I lost again.  I still think Romney would be good.  And I think Romney being good is reflected in part that he thinks Trump is bad.

 

I am independent, very conservative on issues such as fiscal policy and law and order, much more liberal in terms of social policies.  I have two daughters and having a serial abuser like Trump in the White House makes me angry.  I think our country is better than that.  I think our country deserves better leadership than that.  I know this side of the board is populated by the Deep State conspiracists, the right wings folks (not Republicans, I think the concept of the Republican party as the party I knew it and once belonged to disappeared in 2016). So I suspect my thoughts here will be denigrated, and that's part of the problem.  I think this country desperately needs to unite again, to be able to have political discourse and political disagreement without resorting to childish name calling, and, worse, making up stories out of whole cloth to try and tear down the other side.  

 

What I would ask is really, really simple:  if the parties were flip flopped, and you had a Democrat in the office behaving the way Trump is doing so now, would your views change?  I would say yes to most everyone here.  The very things one defends about Trump would have had the same folks calling for Obama's head and screaming impeachment if the opposite party had done so.  And vice versa for democrats if Obama were a Republican.  If Obama were a Republican, and McConnell pulled the stuff with Garland as a Democrat, the same folks who defended it would have screamed bloody murder. 

 

This tribalization, polarization, and inability to see things through the opposite side of the prism is going to destroy this country, because everyone knows that the extremes on both sides of the political spectrum will never get what they want.  Because they don't have enough votes to do so. we have a national crisis right now.  In times of crisis (other than the Civil War) the country has historically come together; this time it is drawing the country further apart.  We can't stand for this much longer without losing what made our country great.

 

So you asked, there's my answer.  I hope you can have a civil discourse about it.  Regrettably I suspect not.

 

 

 

That was a lot to read, but it was well written. Here’s what it has always come down to for me: I don’t care about my President’s style. I care about peace abroad and prosperity at home. While Trump is definitely crass (he’s from NYC) I believe his intentions and results for both of the above stated metrics are excellent! In his heart, I believe Trump sees himself as a champion of the people, and unfortunately in today’s Washington DC you have to bust some balls to break through the ever deepening swamp waters. 

[Tiberius]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/21/trump-has-it-exactly-wrong-again/

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am glad we agree- liberals have street parties and other dense gatherings during a pandemic while conservatives do not.

Um ok

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Honest question — what do you think the returns will show? We know there’s nothing illegal in them, if there were it would have dropped long ago (either while Trump was a candidate — we know how 44 weaponized the IRS against his opponents previously — or during the three CI investigations launched). So, what’s the end game in your eyes? 
 

Can we agree the best hope is something embarrassing which would then be used politically? And if we can, then ask yourself if you’d release them if you were in Trump’s shoes after seeing first hand how dishonest the media is for the past 4 years? 

Don’t hate the player for beating the game. 

That’s it. It will likely show he makes a lot less than he says.  Those hoping they show he’s worth less than what he says he is have no idea what a tax return shows.  
 

The only issue would be if he has a very low effective tax rate. Nothing nefarious there. However people could point and say “see!!  Rich people pay little taxes. CHANGE IT!!!”