Bill from NYC Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: If Proven to be true, it’s realy, really dumb. But as of today, nothing is proven. And if it is, as far as I know it is his first time being in trouble. In other words, a mistake, not a pattern. Ed grew up in a part of Texas where guns are common, legal, and easy to get. I will tell you with certainty, going out to ride ATVs a and shoot some guns in a common occurrence all over the country, I have even done it on more than one occasion. again, I just hate to see a guy reputation get torn to shreds based on nothing but speculation. Let the process play out , then make decision and form opinions on facts and not speculation. Do remember if you will.....being found Not Guilty by a jury or a judge does not necessarily prove innocence. If that was the case we would think that OJ didn't kill those people and the cops who beat up Rodney King used a proper amount of force. Once again, he was lucky in that he didn't hurt anybody (and so were the police officers lol). I wish him only the best. 2
shoshin Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Mickey said: Marcell Dareus Part II Way too early for that prediction. All he is right now is a kid who did a stupid thing. A *lot* and I mean a lot of people have driven drunk. It doesn't make it right, but I'm not going to get into judging him or anyone for it. He's very lucky that no one was hurt. He's very lucky that even though this happened, he will still have the opportunity to live an incredibly privileged life and can make a world of difference in the lives of many people. Most people who pick up a DWI would not have the opportunities and support EO has. I hope the best for him.
Mickey Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, shoshin said: Way too early for that prediction. All he is right now is a kid who did a stupid thing. A *lot* and I mean a lot of people have driven drunk. It doesn't make it right, but I'm not going to get into judging him or anyone for it. He's very lucky that no one was hurt. He's very lucky that even though this happened, he will still have the opportunity to live an incredibly privileged life and can make a world of difference in the lives of many people. Most people who pick up a DWI would not have the opportunities and support EO has. I hope the best for him. I have worked on many, many cases involving DWI's and fatalities in my career. It is not just a stupid thing. I could tell you about the two high school sweethearts who were burned to death trapped in their car because of a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the disabled vet who suffered for 45 days in the hospital before death brought an end to his suffering from the injuries inflicted on him by a "kid" who did a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the 5 young people whose lives were exploded by a drunk kid who just did a stupid thing. We do Ed Oliver no favors by minimizing the seriousness of what he did by shrugging it off as just a kid being stupid. Yes, lots of people get DWI's, precisely because we don't take it seriously. And yeah, he might not quite be in Dareus territory yet but he is off to a roaring start. 1
shoshin Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mickey said: I have worked on many, many cases involving DWI's and fatalities in my career. It is not just a stupid thing. I could tell you about the two high school sweethearts who were burned to death trapped in their car because of a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the disabled vet who suffered for 45 days in the hospital before death brought an end to his suffering from the injuries inflicted on him by a "kid" who did a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the 5 young people whose lives were exploded by a drunk kid who just did a stupid thing. We do Ed Oliver no favors by minimizing the seriousness of what he did by shrugging it off as just a kid being stupid. Yes, lots of people get DWI's, precisely because we don't take it seriously. And yeah, he might not quite be in Dareus territory yet but he is off to a roaring start. He was stupid. Pick another adjective if you want. As I said, he got lucky his stupidity results in something he can easily overcome because of who he is. The rush to vilify and judge others overlooks our own flawed humanity. Edited May 18, 2020 by shoshin
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 The responses by a lot of you are predictably callous, judgmental, and short-sighted. People make mistakes, especially, 23 y/o people. I remember being young and dumb. He really could use some support instead of throwing stones. Make sure you boo him when he is making plays on Sundays. I seem to remember Bruce Smith having some issues early in his career also. 2
BillsFan2313 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 39 minutes ago, Mickey said: I have worked on many, many cases involving DWI's and fatalities in my career. It is not just a stupid thing. I could tell you about the two high school sweethearts who were burned to death trapped in their car because of a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the disabled vet who suffered for 45 days in the hospital before death brought an end to his suffering from the injuries inflicted on him by a "kid" who did a "stupid thing". I could tell you about the 5 young people whose lives were exploded by a drunk kid who just did a stupid thing. We do Ed Oliver no favors by minimizing the seriousness of what he did by shrugging it off as just a kid being stupid. Yes, lots of people get DWI's, precisely because we don't take it seriously. And yeah, he might not quite be in Dareus territory yet but he is off to a roaring start. Guess what Ed Oliver didn't do? Any of that. Putting him in the class as murderers, yeah, I cant agree with you on that. If you are so rah rah about it, and work in the field. Then do something about it, to it being taken more seriously. Maybe like one our local dr who killed a girl, but got away with it. Sad that mothers against drunk driving, do more for it to be taken seriously, then people who "worked on many cases"
Greg S Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 He made a mistake and he will pay the price both with the actual law and emperor Goodell's law. Hopefully he learns from it but a young guy in his early 20's who is a multi-millionaire as well. I am actually surprised we don't hear more stories like this in the world of pro sports.
SoCal Deek Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 I’ve read through multiple pages of back and forth on the incident. People please, you don’t have to make a decision about this one way or the other. You don’t have to proclaim Oliver to be good, bad or in the middle. The legal system and the NFL both have established penalties for the crime he apparently committed, and I assume he’ll pay the appropriate price from both. Be thankful that nobody else was injured or killed, and now wait to see if this is a trend or a one time incident with the young man. (I’m virtually certain that NONE of you actually know him personally.) 1
Warren Zevon Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I seem to remember Bruce Smith having some issues early in his career also. Met Bruce numerous times at The Park Lane - great guy and he definitely learned how to not get caught after his first suspension. Take that however you want ;)
Gugny Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’ve read through multiple pages of back and forth on the incident. People please, you don’t have to make a decision about this one way or the other. You don’t have to proclaim Oliver to be good, bad or in the middle. The legal system and the NFL both have established penalties for the crime he apparently committed, and I assume he’ll pay the appropriate price from both. Be thankful that nobody else was injured or killed, and now wait to see if this is a trend or a one time incident with the young man. (I’m virtually certain that NONE of you actually know him personally.) But you can bet your bottom dollar someone knows someone who went to high school with him and said he was a dick.
SoCal Deek Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: But you can bet your bottom dollar someone knows someone who went to high school with him and said he was a dick. I’m guessing we want a little bit of ‘dick-ness’ in our starting DT. No? 1
SoCal Deek Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: i blame this on Sammy Watkins Obviously!
Mr. WEO Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 18 hours ago, Bferra13 said: I think you have mistake confused with accident/accidental occurence. He made a mistake in judgement. It is what it is. This can't be the first time he has done this. So if you repeatedly commit the same "mistake" (in this case a crime) by choice, you can't call the choice a mistake. His "mistake", as with any serial breaker of rules or laws, was getting caught. If he did not get caught, he would not change his behavior. So therefore, it's not accurately described as a mistake in judgement. Do something once, maybe.
NoSaint Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Good arguments. Appreciate it. having said that, in your lost you assume his guilt. All I have been arguing in this thread is that to assume his guilt before any tests are in is folly. I get it’s the internet age, but we see time and time again that people assume outcomes and and ascribe guilt based on an article written in haste amongst the need to be first. Happens especially to young people of color. I have never made him out to be a victim, I just refuse to judge him before the facts on in or in a edited to shreds video. you say he needs to get himself together, turn himself around... turn around from what? tests come back and he has illegal drugs in his system, or had a BAC of .14 , then we can start to form some opinions, but to do so before any facts are in just makes no sense to me. unless arguing the police planted it - the dude was driving with an open beer between his legs. we can judge a tiny bit. 3
Chef Jim Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Gugny said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yea I’m kidding. It’s still here. Used it just yesterday. 1
plenzmd1 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: unless arguing the police planted it - the dude was driving with an open beer between his legs. we can judge a tiny bit. according to the police , he had a beer opened. And he prolly did, but its not 100% . I have had a friend issued and open container citation for a beer can he was using for a spit cup. He mouthed off to the cop about why he was pulled over, cop wrote him up for open container. Poop happens. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Driving while intoxicated (assuming he was which sorry, imo is a safe assumption) with a gun in your car is a poor decision. I am not trying to force you to agree with me, this is simply how I feel. Do you think I like this? I am not getting any younger and want the Bills to win a Super Bowl. I didn't want this to happen and I view it as a very avoidable mistake. I happen to also be an Alabama Fan. Reuben Foster broke my heart, whereas I think that he could have been the best linebacker in the NFL bar none (once again, jmo). He just kept getting collared for domestic assaults and a host of other crimes. He seems to have tossed away mega millions of dollars and a good life. I do NOT put Oliver in this class!!!!!!!!!! But, imo it is obvious that he needs to make better decisions. I know several people who have had DUIs and it's safe to assume it was not his first time. I think the gun part is a poor decision, but it being texas i always feel like people have guns in their cars since its an open carry state. The unlawful possession is related to his being inebriated right? Most of my friends who had this happen to them did seem to turn a corner and realize that you know... the harsh penalties for DUI are there to protect the other people on the road. You aren't untouchable. It was expensive, and incredibly inconvenient (the ignition lock thing comes out of your pocket, this is expensive, can cost you your employment etc). There's also the serial offenders who will just - keep doing what they're doing. Hopefully he takes this whole process to heart.
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