RunTheBall Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, gaskill15 said: Titans fan here, Can I just say that this board is nearly a mirror image of excuse making between Allen and Mariota. I’m talking in terms of inconsistency, drops, and holding onto the ball too long. At some point they simply don’t have it (not saying this is the consensus on Allen, he’s still plenty young). I think Year 3 is the biggest indicator for knowing whether they have “it”. IMO, the single biggest factor in a quality NFL QB is the ability to process the field. If they can make all the throws that’s great, but without the ability to process the field and progress through the reads it doesn’t really matter what throws they can make. To be fair, I think Allen has a much better chance of success than Mariota did. Signed, Butthurt Titans fan who was all-in on Pineapple Tebow his couple of years. One of the best posts I’ve read on here in years comes from a friggin Titans fan (it was a forward pass btw). Allen pisses off all you internet calculator jockeys because he breaks all the analytic rules that look at stats as the end-all-be-all of QB evaluation. Allen has IT. Everyone here knows it. He will never be a good QB in the eyes of stats guys. He will have above average stats at best, but he wins. This year will likely determine his future although no matter what happens he will be back for year 4. He was the rawest QB by far and everyone has seen his jumps in improvement during each year and also from year to year. He needs to continue to improve this year because he has a ways to go before he hits his ceiling. He’s never going to be Mahomes but I believe he can get good enough to get us to a Super Bowl. I can’t wait to see if this kid reaches his potential. For once we have an organization that is giving our QB every chance to succeed. It’s all on him now, there are no excuses. I’m praying he’s got it because he is a Buffalo guy through and through. You can’t teach the intangibles, how to want it, how to be a leader, how to be humble yet confident, how to get guys to want to follow you. Just look at that 4th down play against Dallas, that’s Josh, and us, in a nutshell. Now let’s just hope he hits a couple deep balls and continues to improve on last year because the sky is the limit but not guaranteed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Success said: Maybe I'm a homer. I go to some rival boards, and they completely dismiss Allen. They say we'll never be good while he's QB. I feel like I live in a different reality. 6-1 to close out 2018, leading us to the playoffs last year. Playing his best in the primetime games (Dallas, Pitt). He even led us to a winning FG position in that playoff game, before that phantom call on Ford. Guy's a winner, period. I could care less about stats. And the latter will improve immensely with a corps of Diggs, Brown & Beasley. I love, love, love that Pats fans are hyping Stidham and still think they could have the best QB in the division. I remember that kind of wishful thinking from all the way back into the Todd Collins days. Allen is going to keep the Bills on top for a long time - the wait is over. Not to split hairs but Allen was far from his best at Pitt. I’d even say he played pretty .poorly Edited May 16, 2020 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lets make the bet. But there needs to be consequences if you don't pay. Ive made several bets here, and I have won them all but one...only one person paid me and I paid my only loss. Your logic above is so silly and flawed that I am not even going to address it as it was already addressed in my original post. I love making bets with people who either don't read or are so invested in their flawed logic that they can't comprehend what they are reading. I love your silly take of "he didnt do it in Wyoming and JUCO" where he had weaker coaching and a terrible cast around him as a raw QB. Not to mention every meaningful metric already said he did it last year, except his weak cast DROPPED enough passes to drop him under 60%. So you are already categorically wrong on that one fact alone as had we been in the top 10 instead of dead last in dropped passes, he would have been a 60% passer already. Over/Under is 60%...lets do $100 and if the loser doesn't pay...their account and IP gets frozen by mods for entire 2021 offseason and not reactivated until week 1 of the 2022 season. Those are my terms. Like I already said, easiest bet there could be. Ill take that bet for 100$ all day. History is on my side, analytics are on my side, Strength of Schedule is on my side. 4 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I'll take as much as you want straight up Ill go 100$ same as with Alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Like I already said, easiest bet there could be. Ill take that bet for 100$ all day. History is on my side, analytics are on my side, Strength of Schedule is on my side. Too easy. Who ever loses leaves the message board. Although rumor has it, you are like on your third of fourth account. Edited May 16, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Too easy. Who ever loses leaves the message board. Although rumor has it your like on your third of fourth account. Well rumors would be wrong.... 2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: And im down for that bet with you... Self ban You are so confident Allen is going to be the next best thing. Edited May 16, 2020 by TwistofFate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Like I already said, easiest bet there could be. Ill take that bet for 100$ all day. History is on my side, analytics are on my side, Strength of Schedule is on my side. Ill go 100$ same as with Alpha. You keep saying analytics are on your side, yet you havent actually explained how they're on your side. I'm not familiar with any advanced analytics that have said players can't improve. And as for the strength of schedule part, it remains to be seen how good the pass defenses we'll be playing are. Our schedule from this past season was one of the easiest in terms of record, but we did play 7 games against teams who finished with a top 12 pass defense. Edited May 16, 2020 by gobills404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Like I already said, easiest bet there could be. Ill take that bet for 100$ all day. History is on my side, analytics are on my side, Strength of Schedule is on my side. Ill go 100$ same as with Alpha. I want more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I want more 100$ take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: 100$ take it or leave it. $1000 and youre on, you sounded pretty sure of yourself And dont sad face me, I posted my receipts and I pay up on bets- ask @Zerovoltz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: $1000 and youre on, you sounded pretty sure of yourself Im more than sure. Im not a degenerate gambler. 100$ end of story. Those are the terms, don't like em? Maybe you aren't so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Im more than sure. Im not a degenerate gambler. 100$ end of story. Those are the terms, don't like em? Maybe you aren't so sure. lol i just proposed raising the stakes and you balked wasting my time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Not to excuse Allen but that offensive game plan was frustrating.... get a lead and run the ball... the McDermott special. No excuse for that kind of game plan anymore. Josh in his third year, o-line has a year to gain familiarity, Diggs trade, Knox second year, Moss to replace old man Gore. Training wheels off. Get and build leads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: No excuse for that kind of game plan anymore. Josh in his third year, o-line has a year to gain familiarity, Diggs trade, Knox second year, Moss to replace old man Gore. Training wheels off. Get and build leads. We-el anymore yes I agree, but in that particular game...huge implications. Playoffs, big road win, there were a lot of reasons to grind out a W in Pitt last season. Going forward I agree tho 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: This is what I’m banking on if he is going to be highly successful in this league. Guy is never going to be tops in the league in completion percentage. Not his game. Foot work is sloppy which leads to off throws, but he’s shown his abi,it’s to make up for the misses for wow type throws and plays with his legs..... if he can improve on the misses just a bit and add more big plays(like a much improved deep ball) he’ll be fine. I understand the footwork issue but it's overblown imo. Look at Mahomes. And don't give me the 'don't compare the two' line. He has an awful base half the time and his feet are a mess but the kid has such talent in his upper body he makes it work. Similar w/Allen in that respect. He has a special arm and if he looks a little weird delivering the ball I'll live w/it because he has the kind of natural ability to throw that can make up for shoddy footwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: We-el anymore yes I agree, but in that particular game...huge implications. Playoffs, big road win, there were a lot of reasons to grind out a W in Pitt last season. Going forward I agree tho I concur given the specific circumstances, but it was generally a trend overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This is what I’m banking on if he is going to be highly successful in this league. Guy is never going to be tops in the league in completion percentage. Not his game. Foot work is sloppy which leads to off throws, but he’s shown his ability to make up for the misses with wow type throws and big plays with his legs..... if he can improve on the misses just a bit and add more big plays(like a much improved deep ball) he’ll be fine. There was no excuse for it last season. If you trust your defense what are you afraid of? This was the problem, they put so much trust in their defense, they went ultra conservative in their playcalling with weak leads. Too many times McDermott took his foot off the gas too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 11 hours ago, MJS said: Which is a number we can win 10-11 games with and get into the playoffs with. I doubt that. we had one of the easiest schedules in almost a decade last season. next year will be a completely different animal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: I doubt that. we had one of the easiest schedules in almost a decade last season. next year will be a completely different animal. In a decade, huh? Haha, according to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 hours ago, GoBills808 said: $1000 and youre on, you sounded pretty sure of yourself And dont sad face me, I posted my receipts and I pay up on bets- ask @Zerovoltz I can vouche for this. @GoBills808 is a man of his word. Sent me a check in the mail for a bet I won with him last year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, TwistofFate said: Like I already said, easiest bet there could be. Ill take that bet for 100$ all day. History is on my side, analytics are on my side, Strength of Schedule is on my side. Ill go 100$ same as with Alpha. Ok, I’ll take this bet. I’m gonna DM you for a record of it. We need to have a games played qualifier though just in case Josh got hurt during a small sample size. Like he completed 75% week 1 but got hurt week 2 for season, that wouldn’t be a fair win on my part, and vice versa. I think 10 games would be a good sample size, but let me know if you’re thinking a different number. Edited May 16, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The biggest stat for a QB is W or loss. I think if Josh improves on decision making, gets a bit more time, and has more weapons- he will get more W’s. I’ve seen him with significantly improved stats if you figure in drops. I’ve also seen stats that have him as a bottom 5 QB based on some unique set of stats. If the above happen he will get the W’s and stats will improve somewhat. But given he plays in WNY and has away games outside his clean weather games ( particularly wind) are much less than say Brees or Ryan. So he will likely never be a top 5 stats QB. But gives his leadership, arm talent, and now weapons around him he can be a top 10 QB for several years. With a ceiling that might be as high as anyone. As many have said with the Bills core and some improvement JA can lead this team deep into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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