Fauci: virus will decide season

[TroutDog]

57 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I don't know how else to take it

That’s the problem, right? You can’t take the entire thing for what it means...instead, you’re letting your reality (or the reality of others) bleed into your thought process. Not trying to be a jerk, but all of this has a price (including lives according to the US government). 
 

Having served and watched people die, I also saw the humanity that wrought both in me and the people I served with. To discard that out of hand is short sighted. 
 

I could go on and on but these threads, in my opinion, should be shut down as they spread disinformation. There’s enough of that out there and we don’t need it here. 
 

There is literally no such thing as fake news, there are only uninformed people who cannot discern between actual news and talking heads...and yet the uninformed people talk about fake news as if it’s a real thing...it feels like you’re doing that. 

 

The death of any other human is nothing to sniffle at...everything we can do to stop it should happen, in my opinion. We are not in an inflationary period so the government can print money at will to compensate people/companies and be no worse for the wear.
 

Those that complain about debt (tea party) are the same that voted for the last tax break which served the few.

 

For the record, I am a ravenously independent voter but whacko is whacko.

 

EDIT: I so appreciate so many of your football views which makes it all the more difficult to say all of this. With that being said, I hope we can chat in the future!!! ? 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by TroutDog

[ny33]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Pssssst.  Show me the news clippings from when the 1968 H3N2 pandemic filled up the ERs and ICUs like covid-19 has done in every city where its' allowed to spread unchecked.  While we're at it, explain the differences in basic transmission rate and infectious period, that make covid-19 so much more contagious?

 

Actually, Don't Here, but the point is it's a faulty comparison.  H3N2 killed 100,000 Americans over an 18 month period, and that's considering excess deaths, which we aren't yet looking at for covid-19.  We're rockin' 80,000 Americans dead in 2.5 months, and that's not counting the excess deaths from patients who stroked out at home or died without being tested for covid-19.  Bit of a difference.

 

Does the country have to reopen, Yes, absolutely - the shut-downs were intended to knock the peak down and to give time to build testing, PPE, and hospital capacity. 

 

Is it appropriate to say "viruses are part of life", compare covid-19 to flu, and return to business as usual, Um no, not so much.

 

Do I got answers on a football season?  Nope, need data - what happens as we reopen?  What happens in the clinical trials, will we find something?  Big difference if it's found giving anyone who tests positive a 3 day course of some drug clears viral titer and makes them non-infectious, or if there's a clear treatment protocol that allows, say, 70% of the hospitalized patients to be discharged after a week and kept off the vents.  Too many unknowns.

 

 

The players will probably be fine - most of them.  I'm guessing, but these guys are young, fit, strong, think they're immortal - if you ask them do they want to take the risk, betting most would be "Hell Yeah!"

 

Many of the coaches, on the other hand, seem to look like the posterboys for "High Risk Patient Profile".

I generally agree, but it’s also true that many reported deaths are simply of people who died in hospital without symptoms or without a significant enough impact to be a leading cause of death. Many patients with comorbidities, of course, had their deaths accelerated, or caused, by contraction of the virus. So the numbers aren’t as perfect of a data set as we would like them to be. 

 

I’m in my late 20s and many friends have just graduated from medical school and in residency, very few of whom are emergency care specialists. A number of them are planning on fields such as plastic surgery, pediatric care, etc., and are wholly unprepared to be on the front lines here mentally; the stress nearly broke many of them in March (I’m in NYC).

 

This is anecdotal, of course, but I’ve heard of far too many cases where a resident, or another doctor untrained in its use was asked to use a ventilator and contributed to a patient’s death. Obviously you can’t blame the medical profession for making mistakes- and I agree with the malpractice exemption granted- but it’s clear that a number of deaths have been caused by improper care. Of course this stems back to the fact that the country wasn’t remotely prepared, from testing to PPE efforts, and we should be ashamed of that.

 

But between these cases and the number of people dying from other diseases (eg, the do not resuscitate order for heart attack patients in NY) because of fear of COVID transmission in hospitals, there are a lot of sad medical realities resulting from the prioritization of COVID care above all else. 

 

More than anything, and without wanting to get too political, I’m extremely disappointed and disturbed by the partisanship and stubbornness shown by both parties- from Democrats calling Trump a racist for stopping flights from China, while telling people to go out and live their lives as early as the first week of March (DeBlasio, Pelosi, etc.)- to Trump’s lack of urgency on many fronts, especially domestic PPE production/procurement and a focus on increasing testing capacity. Having worked on PPE procurement myself, the inefficiency of NY state in particular (going back on contract approvals and taking a week to authorize or longer when shipping could be done in two days from China) compared to the private system is shocking. 

[RiotAct]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Many of the coaches, on the other hand, seem to look like the posterboys for "High Risk Patient Profile".

Andy Reid ?

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Good thing it starts 4 months from now ?

[Mark Vader]

11 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

That’s the problem, right? You can’t take the entire thing for what it means...instead, you’re letting your reality (or the reality of others) bleed into your thought process. Not trying to be a jerk, but all of this has a price (including lives according to the US government). 
 

Having served and watched people die, I also saw the humanity that wrought both in me and the people I served with. To discard that out of hand is short sighted. 
 

I could go on and on but these threads, in my opinion, should be shut down as they spread disinformation. There’s enough of that out there and we don’t need it here. 
 

There is literally no such thing as fake news, there are only uninformed people who cannot discern between actual news and talking heads...and yet the uninformed people talk about fake news as if it’s a real thing...it feels like you’re doing that. 

 

The death of any other human is nothing to sniffle at...everything we can do to stop it should happen, in my opinion. We are not in an inflationary period so the government can print money at will to compensate people/companies and be no worse for the wear.
 

Those that complain about debt (tea party) are the same that voted for the last tax break which served the few.

 

For the record, I am a ravenously independent voter but whacko is whacko.

 

EDIT: I so appreciate so many of your football views which makes it all the more difficult to say all of this. With that being said, I hope we can chat in the future!!! ? 

 

 

You make a fair statement. One of the problems is that there is so much uncertainty right now, and all people can do is speculate.

 

There's just so much speculating that it's driving people crazy without getting any real answers.

 

All I want is answers, and not being talked down to, which is what I get a lot of.

 

I appreciate your candor, and I too hope to chat with you in the future as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, ny33 said:

I generally agree, but it’s also true that many reported deaths are simply of people who died in hospital without symptoms or without a significant enough impact to be a leading cause of death. Many patients with comorbidities, of course, had their deaths accelerated, or caused, by contraction of the virus. So the numbers aren’t as perfect of a data set as we would like them to be.

 

Do you seriously believe this?  How can you seriously believe this?

 

Listen to this: "many reported deaths are simply of people who died in hospital, without symptoms"

 

NYC hospitals were sending home people who were quite seriously ill and who arguably should have been hospitalized and would have been, a few weeks earlier, and here you are, believing that "many reported deaths are simply of people who died in hospital without symptoms"?

 

People who died of covid with comorbidities....things like obesity (42% of Americans) and hypertension (46% of Americans) ...aren't "had their deaths accelerated" - they are for the most part, people who were in no danger of imminent death without having contracted covid-19.  I'm picturing my friend's father in a nursing home, DNR order - but still getting around the home in his wheelchair, enjoying daily lunch in the cafeteria with his wife and friends, weekly "casual tea" on Saturday with his daughters and sons and grandchildren and great grandchildren.  Comorbidities, sure - obesity, hypertension.  Military veteran.  Father of police officers and a firefighter as well as scientists and a pro-baseball-player grandson.  He has covid-19 and is in imminent danger of death NOW, but not before.  It didn't "accelerate" his death, if he dies, it will CAUSE it.  SMH at the casual belittling.

 

I give up.  This is wandering way too far afield from football and also into tin-hat territory.   And on that note....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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