Mango Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 Jim Harbuagh thinks the NFL should remove the minimum age/college requirement to enter the draft as well as allow undrafted kids to go back and play for their school. Removing minimum age/college requirement: I don't really care. I mean I wish there was more emphasis on getting degrees, but it really is not the NFL's job to push that, so remove it for all I care. From a physiological stand point, it is a violent game played by grown men. Seems like a bad idea to throw a 19 year old in the NFL. That said, if you have a 3rd round grade or better, and you want to leave school to go give it a try, that is up to you. There is a chance you make a life changing amount of money you may never get back if you get injured or stop progressing. Undrafted kids going back to school: This feels like a non-issue to me. My feels sensor says almost all UDFA's are seniors. I couldn't find a good list so I just went through Arizona's UDFA list and they were all seniors, as I expected. It is not like these guys have no idea what their draft grades are before they declare. Seems really unnecessary to allow athletes to declare and go back to school and is probably in the institutions favor and not the athletes. I am unsure what it provides. It isn't like there are a bunch of sophomore's with a 3rd round grade declares and wakes up needing to apply for student loans and no football team to play for. Just spit balling here, but maybe the NFL/NCAA sponsors a program for all college kids with NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's to provide some insight into when and if they should declare for the draft as underclassmen. I wouldn't trust an agent to do that just because they are chasing a paycheck. But the regional scout for an NFL team might tell an anxious underclassman to stay in school, they only see them as a 6th rounder. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29146934/michigan-coach-jim-harbaugh-wants-college-football-players-flexibility-nfl-draft?platform=amp 1
machine gun kelly Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 Makes complete sense. They’re kids and sometimes make bad decisions like coming out too early. 4
BfloBillsFan Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 Count me in to let those who went undrafted go back to school. 4
Mango Posted May 8, 2020 Author Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, BfloBillsFan said: Count me in to let those who went undrafted go back to school. I mean sure I am with you...I guess. I just think there a few to zero students that this applies to.
Saxum Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 A college "kid" declares based on advice of an agent and then blows a knee or as a bad combine, etc and does not get drafted sure. If the college player finishes year and does not quit college to pursue NFL that is. Even could work for seniors with eligibility still who graduate and are undrafted. We had such a player once who played lacrosse and in grad school played football. If a player is drafted however and did not like where player was picked I have a different opinion but every one has one. 2
Rampage Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) I can’t even begin to imagine a 19 year old receiver in the NFL having to get hit by a linebacker in a slant route. He’ll be broken in half. A lot of these guys still lack the muscle mass and size to be in the league after 3 years of college. I can’t see straight out of high school being beneficial. Edited May 8, 2020 by Rampage 4 1
Boatdrinks Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 The age requirement should stay. I think the eligibility rule should probably stay too, but I could be convinced otherwise on that one. 3
Don Otreply Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 For me, age requirement should stay, but it harms no one if a guy doesn’t get drafted and goes back to school and tries again a year later. 10
Motorin' Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mango said: I mean sure I am with you...I guess. I just think there a few to zero students that this applies to. I guess if they lift the age requirement more underclassman will declare, and the more underclassman who declare the more potential for players who still have eligibility to go undrafted. 1
Mango Posted May 8, 2020 Author Posted May 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: For me, age requirement should stay, but it harms no one if a guy doesn’t get drafted and goes back to school and tries again a year later. I agree. It doesn't hurt anything by allowing it. But it probably changes who actually gets drafted by 0% so it doesn't hurt by keeping it either. The inverse situation. You are a junior with a low draft grade so you roll the dice. You get scooped up in the 6th round. Chances are you don't actually make the roster. Now you are also ineligible to play college ball and you are right back where you started. This rule doesn't actually effect anybody getting drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds.
FireChans Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mango said: I mean sure I am with you...I guess. I just think there a few to zero students that this applies to. The first rule change would beget the importance of the second.
Don Otreply Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mango said: I agree. It doesn't hurt anything by allowing it. But it probably changes who actually gets drafted by 0% so it doesn't hurt by keeping it either. The inverse situation. You are a junior with a low draft grade so you roll the dice. You get scooped up in the 6th round. Chances are you don't actually make the roster. Now you are also ineligible to play college ball and you are right back where you started. This rule doesn't actually effect anybody getting drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds. So why have a rule that only harms the student athlete? Its such a NCAA thing to do...
Saxum Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mango said: I agree. It doesn't hurt anything by allowing it. But it probably changes who actually gets drafted by 0% so it doesn't hurt by keeping it either. The inverse situation. You are a junior with a low draft grade so you roll the dice. You get scooped up in the 6th round. Chances are you don't actually make the roster. Now you are also ineligible to play college ball and you are right back where you started. This rule doesn't actually effect anybody getting drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Your draft eligibility should stop on first day you sign contract and get paid - you are then a professional. I was out with some friends and there was an Amateur Comedy Night with prizes and they pushed me to sign up. I told them I can't. I had been paid ($200) to do comedy show warm up for main act before. 2
Motorin' Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Your draft eligibility should stop on first day you sign contract and get paid - you are then a professional. I was out with some friends and there was an Amateur Comedy Night with prizes and they pushed me to sign up. I told them I can't. I had been paid ($200) to do comedy show warm up for main act before. We're going to need to see the footage!
Saxum Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: We're going to need to see the footage! From 1982, that is more than 13K days ago? There was no camera phones then! I was a college student who used to be a bartender (mixed drink specialist) and I created jokes for every drink and wrote them in my drink mix "manual". Since I was paid per drink (small amount) and tips I needed to try to get sales as high as I could so I'd tell a joke with every drink I sold. The place signed a star to come in and he was late so boss told me to go on stage and entertain crowd before they started wanting money back. He told me he'd pay me $200 if I kept 90% of customers until act showed up so I went up there and did my best. Seventy-Five minutes late showed up and I went to boss and asked for money. He said at end of week with pay but I said no, that was not part of deal so he took money out and paid me. I actually ended up losing job because most of my regular customers were there and they heard every joke I had in the book. I do have a copy of a check from Johnny Carson Productions from a joke they bought from me but I do not know which one! I mailed many to them and got letter thanking for contribution but it did not say which joke. 2 1
billsfan89 Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 The age requirement should stay or only be reduced to after 2 years of college. I can't see 18 and 19 year olds in the NFL working out.. I get that teams will not draft guys who aren't ready but the NFL does have a right to protect the teams and organizations from themselves. I also agree that if a player doesn't get drafted they should have the ability to come back for one more college season.
JetsFan20 Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 I see his point. There is no reason for Trevor Lawrence to be in Clemson, South Carolina right now.
YoloinOhio Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) Just trying to thin out the talent at the schools he can’t beat in recruiting Edited May 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio
Blank Stare Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 Unless they’re grown men like Tremaine Edmunds or Jadeveon Clowney were, I’m not sure how many players would feel their bodies and minds are ready to take the leap early. I could even see a Trevor Lawrence situation because he hasn’t had anything left to prove at the college level for some time now. But for all we know he enjoys being the top dog on campus. Some do. Not saying a bunch of players wouldn’t/shouldn’t try, but It’s just so different from basketball in many ways.
Cripple Creek Posted May 8, 2020 Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Mango said: Jim Harbuagh thinks the NFL should remove the minimum age/college requirement to enter the draft as well as allow undrafted kids to go back and play for their school. Removing minimum age/college requirement: I don't really care. I mean I wish there was more emphasis on getting degrees, but it really is not the NFL's job to push that, so remove it for all I care. From a physiological stand point, it is a violent game played by grown men. Seems like a bad idea to throw a 19 year old in the NFL. That said, if you have a 3rd round grade or better, and you want to leave school to go give it a try, that is up to you. There is a chance you make a life changing amount of money you may never get back if you get injured or stop progressing. Undrafted kids going back to school: This feels like a non-issue to me. My feels sensor says almost all UDFA's are seniors. I couldn't find a good list so I just went through Arizona's UDFA list and they were all seniors, as I expected. It is not like these guys have no idea what their draft grades are before they declare. Seems really unnecessary to allow athletes to declare and go back to school and is probably in the institutions favor and not the athletes. I am unsure what it provides. It isn't like there are a bunch of sophomore's with a 3rd round grade declares and wakes up needing to apply for student loans and no football team to play for. Just spit balling here, but maybe the NFL/NCAA sponsors a program for all college kids with NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's to provide some insight into when and if they should declare for the draft as underclassmen. I wouldn't trust an agent to do that just because they are chasing a paycheck. But the regional scout for an NFL team might tell an anxious underclassman to stay in school, they only see them as a 6th rounder. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29146934/michigan-coach-jim-harbaugh-wants-college-football-players-flexibility-nfl-draft?platform=amp If it was John I'd love this proposal. Since it's Jim I hate it. 1
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