Augie Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: That class was loaded. Unfortunately, Dareus was the right pick at the time. Made the expected immediate impact in the Run D. But then flamed out. Have to know the Man, not just the Player.
artmalibu Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 And after the season, we will know if it was a good trade or not...
NewEra Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, artmalibu said: And after the season, we will know if it was a good trade or not... No. It was a good trade 3 1
Mister Defense Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 5 hours ago, warrior9 said: We initially traded Dareus for a sixth round conditional pick that turned into a fifth. The initial fifth round pick turned out to be Wyatt Teller. The Bills then traded Wyatt teller and a 7th for this year's 5th and 6th round draft picks. When all is said and done the Bills traded Marcel Dareus and recieve Jake Fromm, Tyler Bass Nice! Very well done. Two players that may end up having long and successful NFL careers. And maybe with the Bills.
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Bottom line is that Beane and McDermott laid the law down that day. Nobody is bigger than the process. I haven't heard a player miss a bus since. 1
Phil The Thrill Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 7 hours ago, warrior9 said: We initially traded Dareus for a sixth round conditional pick that turned into a fifth. The initial fifth round pick turned out to be Wyatt Teller. The Bills then traded Wyatt teller and a 7th for this year's 5th and 6th round draft picks. When all is said and done the Bills traded Marcel Dareus and recieve Jake Fromm, Tyler Bass The bigger return is that they removed a terrible Whaley contract off the books. This happens all the time on in sports and business when new leadership comes in. You try to get your entire team on board. When it becomes apparent a few people aren’t on board, you get rid of them. That’s what Beane and McDermott did. It worked 2 hours ago, artmalibu said: And after the season, we will know if it was a good trade or not... Seems to me that it already has been a good trade FYI Marcel is a street free agent
Da webster guy Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Bills Survivor said: Or Watt, Patrick Peterson or Tyron Smith. Luck, Von Miller and Aldon Smith in this top 10 too, impressive year. Wait who is this Watt you speak of? Never heard of the guy.... Oh wait you mean the guy they showed on screen and talked about every three seconds for the entire playoff game vs Houston? Its even worse when you rewatch the game because without the excitement and suspense of an actual game you pay more attention to the rest of the noise. Honestly someone should call out the producer on that and make them rewatch how ridiculous that was highlighting a player over and over and over simply because he's a national big name. Its laugh out loud material after awhile. Almost as bad as all the hype and coverage Dallas gets and they've won a whopping TWO playoff games in 24 years.
ganesh Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 9 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: And to think we could have had AJ Green or Julio Jones... wtf In that time period of NFL, DTs were very highly valued in the draft. 1
JetsFan20 Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: In that time period of NFL, DTs were very highly valued in the draft. The Jets took a DT out of Alabama #3 overall just last year. Everybody wants CBs and athletic S and LBs that cover in today’s NFL (even edge rusher seems devalued). That said this is all fluid. Look at the more innovative offensive coaches in the league (McVay/Shannhan). They are building in the trenches around strong running games. Look at how Green Bay got gashed in the NFC Championship game. SF won with Jimmy G completing 5 passes!
Utah John Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Dareus was a great physical talent but completely lacked self-discipline. He was a very young person, not chronological age but wrt maturity, when he arrived. He got to a Bills team with losing culture, and figured, OK then, that's how it is. He didn't push himself and no one really pushed him. No one, no matter how talented, makes it without hard work. It's all just a shame. A waste of a potentially great career, and a waste of a great draft opportunity. 2
ProcessTruster Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 love the Haynesworth comparison. I am in D.C. and what a joke he was after Snyder paid him to come to the Redskins.
oldmanfan Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Dareus was a classic example of a guy that quit after getting the big contract.
ganesh Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 6 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: The Jets took a DT out of Alabama #3 overall just last year. Everybody wants CBs and athletic S and LBs that cover in today’s NFL (even edge rusher seems devalued). That said this is all fluid. Look at the more innovative offensive coaches in the league (McVay/Shannhan). They are building in the trenches around strong running games. Look at how Green Bay got gashed in the NFC Championship game. SF won with Jimmy G completing 5 passes! That is why having two young workhorse RBs on Rookie Contracts is AWESOME for the Buffalo Bills. 5 hours ago, Utah John said: Dareus was a great physical talent but completely lacked self-discipline. He was a very young person, not chronological age but wrt maturity, when he arrived. He got to a Bills team with losing culture, and figured, OK then, that's how it is. He didn't push himself and no one really pushed him. No one, no matter how talented, makes it without hard work. It's all just a shame. A waste of a potentially great career, and a waste of a great draft opportunity. He did have Mental issues that was hard to overcome and did not get much help from the Bills or its fans 1
mannc Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 17 hours ago, warrior9 said: We initially traded Dareus for a sixth round conditional pick that turned into a fifth. The initial fifth round pick turned out to be Wyatt Teller. The Bills then traded Wyatt teller and a 7th for this year's 5th and 6th round draft picks. When all is said and done the Bills traded Marcel Dareus and recieve Jake Fromm, Tyler Bass And one amazing season of Wyatt Teller...
BarleyNY Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 17 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Largely equates to a salary dump He was one year into his rookie deal with nothing guaranteed left on it so it wasn’t about dumping salary, it was about room on the roster. The Bills had a gone hard at IOL in free agency and had gotten really deep there. There just wasn’t room for everybody. Teller was an odd man out, but still he had value and Beane got it. FWIW the Browns OL Coach, Bill Callahan, said he loves Teller in the Browns predominantly outside zone scheme and expects him to start at RG there this season. It’ll be interesting to see if that actually happens. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Is ever final? What if we trade from for 2 firsts and a second ?
uticaclub Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Jax D got elite after they traded for him & made a run to the conference championship, while our D couldn't stop a running nose. Still think it was a bad trade. 1 1 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 1 - we traded a DT in the middle of a playoff run when run defense was a major weakness for the team. Run defense was a major issue for the Jags and he helped them improve and they almost won the SB. There’s a chance they keep Dareus and he improves his trade value and they could have traded him for more in the offseason. They gained zero by trading him when they did and you can’t argue otherwise. 2 - it’s hard not to argue that Dareus changed as after he got the money. He got lazy and complacent. I always gave him more of a pass because of his family stuff but you can’t deny it. The real shame is the guy had HOF talent and was one of the best young d linemen in the nfl at one point. It’s a shame. Edited May 2, 2020 by C.Biscuit97 2 1 1
SoTier Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 17 hours ago, JoeF said: He is currently an unrestricted free agent, giving him time to work on his boating and drag racing hobbies while practicing proper social distancing. Being serious for a moment, he did a lot of good in Haiti with his money...he had a lot of tragedy in his life (ESPN would have filled up two draft slides for him) and a lot of mental anguish...wish him the best. https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20180627/marcell-dareus-donates-125000-to-help-build-classrooms-in-haiti Well said. Some Bills fans forget that he was an All Pro for the Bills. Most NFL players are driven to excel, so I find the idea of a player simply turning off that drive just because he's gotten a big contract the least likely reason for a player's performance to slack off. What frequently happens is that players change teams to get bigger contracts and the new situations aren't as good for them as the ones they left. Sometimes coaching changes impact players' performance adversely, too. They bring in new systems that don't fit the players or their personalities don't mesh well with some incumbent players. Dareus blossomed under Marrone, but then along came Ryan who tried to remake the excellent defense that he inherited, followed shortly by McDermott who brought in his own style of D. We, as fans, assume that McDermott and Dareus didn't get along. Maybe that's true -- or maybe the Bills brass under the money-ball philosophy of Russ Brandon decided he wasn't playing well enough to justify his salary. For myself, I think that Dareus suffered (possibly still does) some emotional/mental issue that impacted his play. When somebody -- anybody not just a pro athlete -- goes from being really great at something for a long time -- since high school at least in the case of NFL players -- and then suddenly starts just "going through the motions", it suggests something's wrong, Personal tragedy -- which Dareus suffered in spades -- as well as bad domestic or employment situations can all wreak havoc on individuals' job performance. 1
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