Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Duvernay would have been the Bills 3rd player taken. This would have been after Moss and before Davis. Basically, they likely would have had Duvernay instead of a few of the guys that they took after including both receivers. That's plausible. But equally there were no doubt a number of players in the same position.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Mountain Man said: You're right, it isn't impossible. But in terms of whether I think its likely? For a team in recent years that has had huge success with day 3 picks. But we dont have the roster space for day 3 picks this year. Even on the practice squad. Walking away with 3 highly talented players who can all immediately contribute would have been a huge win. I agree it would have been unlikely to pull off, but I like the strategy and the idea makes sense for the way the roster is currently built.
Big Gun Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Maybe the Bills slipped the Dugger thing out on purpose in hopes the Pats would bite, but really had Epenesa as the target the whole time.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: That's fine. You can believe it. That's your right. Doesn't mean everyone has to. Sure, but dont come in and naysay us like we dont know each other well.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Mountain Man said: That's plausible. But equally there were no doubt a number of players in the same position. Certainly and they took one shortly thereafter and another later. I’m not saying that it was a good idea, bad idea or whatever. That’s just what @thebandit27 and I both heard independently of each other. Honestly, I was a little hesitant to post that because it was from someone plugged in but different than the people that usually talk. When Bandit said he’d heard the same thing I’m fairly certain that it was true.
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/28/bills-appeared-to-be-trying-to-trade-up-for-lions-pick-logan-stenberg/ So you are incorrect about the Duvernay but everyone says just believe you on Duggar? Or Duvernay and the OL were two totally different attempted trade ups. That is my view. Has been since Saturday. I don't think Beane was talking about Duvernay when he talked about trying to get an OL. I think he legitimately was trying to get up for an OL on the 3rd day in round 5 or 6. 1
thebandit27 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: dammit i miss everything lurking around here lol let me in the club! What happened with AJ? 11 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: I'm more of a lurker than a poster, but I definitely get curious when members on this board that are in the loop say things with such strong conviction What would have been the AJ Green offer? I don’t know what the compensation would have been, but I do know that AJ would’ve been a Bill if Mike Brown didn’t pull the plug on a deal that Duke Tobin worked on with Buffalo. 4 1
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But the OL comment was made specifically on day 3. He said it in his day 3 wrap up as well as on the media the next day. Which makes me think the two are totally separate because Duvernay went late day 2. I think they tried to get up again on Saturday for an OL in the 5th or 6th round and got gazumped and he felt more comfortable mentioning that because hey, it's day 3 and because he didn't take an OL so as you say nobody's nose is out of joint. I think the Duvernay deal was separate but he just kept that one totally quiet. You might be right. I don’t know the timeline on all of these. That was an assumption on my part.
Logic Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I actually like hearing that Beane had targets he missed out on and trade-up thoughts that never materialized. My one critique of Beane in past drafts is that he seems to fixate on certain guys he likes, and he was a little trade-up happy. I’m all for targeting specific players if you have a conviction, but it’s nice to see that he can also just stay put and get good players at plus value with his original picks. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/28/bills-appeared-to-be-trying-to-trade-up-for-lions-pick-logan-stenberg/ So you are incorrect about the Duvernay but everyone says just believe you on Duggar? FWIW, I trust my sources and intel at OBD over pro football talk. Look, I’m not telling you to believe. I honestly don’t care (at all). That’s totally up to you. 6
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I don’t know what the compensation would have been, but I do know that AJ would’ve been a Bill if Mike Brown didn’t pull the plug on a deal that Duke Tobin worked on with Buffalo. I am so glad now that didn't happen. As you know I was sceptical about going for AJ at the time. I do think you are gonna see the foot cause him to miss games again next year or to at the very least reduce his impact. I almost don't care whether it was AJ for a 5th round pick.... if we had done that deal they almost certainly don't trade for Diggs and at this point I think Diggs is not only a better long term bet but a better bet for right now. 2
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am so glad now that didn't happen. As you know I was sceptical about going for AJ at the time. I do think you are gonna see the foot cause him to miss games again next year or to at the very least reduce his impact. I almost don't care whether it was AJ for a 5th round pick.... if we had done that deal they almost certainly don't trade for Diggs and at this point I think Diggs is not only a better long term bet but a better bet for right now. I want nothing to do with Green at this point of his career. Edited April 30, 2020 by DrDawkinstein
TigerJ Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 That's not a prediction anyone could have made with absolute certainty unless Dugger were at the very top of Buffalo's big board, which is impossible in the real world.
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: That's not a prediction anyone could have made with absolute certainty unless Dugger were at the very top of Buffalo's big board, which is impossible in the real world. He was at the top of their board when they re-stacked after round 1. That is the point and sounds plausible to me. 3
Lurker Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/28/bills-appeared-to-be-trying-to-trade-up-for-lions-pick-logan-stenberg/ So you are incorrect about the Duvernay but everyone says just believe you on Duggar? What? So Ryan Talbot speculates in an article for the Syracuse newpaper ("Those comments make me think that Stenberg could have been in play for Buffalo"), his story get's picked up by PFT and suddenly they become CORRECT or a FACT? Making Kirby's Duvernay information INCORRECT? Climb aboard. There's plently of room left on my 'ignore user' wagon...
Back2Buff Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Lurker said: What? So Ryan Talbot speculates in an article for the Syracuse newpaper ("Those comments make me think that Stenberg could have been in play for Buffalo"), his story get's picked up by PFT and suddenly they become CORRECT or a FACT? Making Kirby's Duvernay information INCORRECT? Climb aboard. There's plently of room left on my 'ignore user' wagon... Talbot is going off of comments from the GM, what is Kirby going off of? Certainly nothing is better than the GMs mouth.
HappyDays Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I feel like they were also originally targeting a WR in round 2 because Beane said after the draft he would have "lost a bet" that a round 2 graded receiver would still be there at pick 54. So they had their eye on a couple receivers with round 2 grades but all were gone by the time they picked. I would guess Shenault and Pittman and Higgins, maybe Claypool too. If the Dugger information is true I would bet one of those receivers was the second target. Epenesa was the next best thing.
BigBuff423 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am so glad now that didn't happen. As you know I was sceptical about going for AJ at the time. I do think you are gonna see the foot cause him to miss games again next year or to at the very least reduce his impact. I almost don't care whether it was AJ for a 5th round pick.... if we had done that deal they almost certainly don't trade for Diggs and at this point I think Diggs is not only a better long term bet but a better bet for right now. Agreed, and this goes back to one of my comments at the start of the thread about how sometimes the best things that happen to us, are the things that DON'T happen as we hoped. This, is a good example. Sometimes we become so fixated on one particular solution we miss an opportunity for something better and presuming bandit's account is accurate (that's no shade bandit) then I prefer Diggs for a 1st over AJ for a 5th simply b/c the Bills got Diggs healthy and under a very fair contract while he's only 26. Plus, the Bills still took a promising young WR in Davis and a potential steal in Hodgins. Not to mention a potential long-term viable #2 QB with terrific collegiate experience and resume with a 5th round pick.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Is it really that hard to believe that every time a player starts to stick out on Beane's board he starts calling teams about trades? We literally had a thread dedicated to how often he has traded up... I'm sure at the start of day 2 Dugger was very high on our board. Maybe #1, or maybe just the highest that would realistically get into striking range. I'm sure that OBD liked Duvernay and checked with some teams at the back end of round 3 to see what it would cost. And I know that we had a deal in place to get to 183 if the right player fell, but he did not. There were probably others too. I know we ultimately didn't move around this draft, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. 2
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