Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Additionally, they tried to trade up for Duvernay. I can't see it. They would have to do a New Orleans and chuck in their remaining draft.
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Anyone that talks with this much conviction you just can't believe. This regime is as tight lipped as I have ever seen, I just don't see some random guy knowing all this information. Well let's say @Kirby Jackson is not just some random guy and when he has brought information to this board before it has been accurate. When Kirby says something I believe him. 4
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, CapeBreton said: If they were so dead set on Dugger at 54, why wouldn’t they have drafted Jeremy Chinn who was still there at our pick? Similar players except Chinn is much younger. I don’t buy it. Because just because 2 players played for small schools in a similar position doesn't mean team value them the same
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: When you say he was the guy Kirbs...... do you mean he was the guy they had zeroed in on as being most likely available at their spot pre-draft who they wanted? I mean when you first pick is at #54 that is a pretty big set of assumptions because who knows who falls or whatever. Or are you saying you have information that if Dugger had been there and the rest of the board fell exactly as it did (with let's say Jeremy Chinn as the Pats pick) then he would have been the pick over AJ? Going into Friday they were planning on Dugger. They were willing to move up for Dugger as I understand it. They didn’t have the ammo to get that high. When he came off the board at 37 they changed course. If he was still there at 45 though (as an example) I think that he would have been the pick. 2
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Well let's say @Kirby Jackson is not just some random guy and when he has brought information to this board before it has been accurate. When Kirby says something I believe him. That may be. But to trade up Duvernay is one that sounds a bit doubtful. You are trading up 30+ picks. That's a lot of draft capital
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Going into Friday they were planning on Dugger. They were willing to move up for Dugger as I understand it. They didn’t have the ammo to get that high. When he came off the board at 37 they changed course. If he was still there at 45 though (as an example) I think that he would have been the pick. Okay. So it was as the board was stacked Friday morning after the first round he was their guy. Interesting. Appreciate the clarification. 1
BillsShredder83 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: If you’re newer to the board then this is worth repeating: There are absolutely, definitely posters on this board that have insight into what the front office is doing and thinking. It has been proven on many occasions. Sometimes they “report” such things in subtle ways, but if you’re paying attention you notice. Also, not everything that is inside info comes out on this board—a LOT of it gets communicated via PM. That way if (and when) something doesn’t happen people don’t lose their minds. Perfect example is the AJ Green trade that came surprisingly close to happening at last year’s deadline. dammit i miss everything lurking around here lol let me in the club! What happened with AJ?
JimKellyTryouts Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: If you’re newer to the board then this is worth repeating: There are absolutely, definitely posters on this board that have insight into what the front office is doing and thinking. It has been proven on many occasions. Sometimes they “report” such things in subtle ways, but if you’re paying attention you notice. Also, not everything that is inside info comes out on this board—a LOT of it gets communicated via PM. That way if (and when) something doesn’t happen people don’t lose their minds. Perfect example is the AJ Green trade that came surprisingly close to happening at last year’s deadline. I'm more of a lurker than a poster, but I definitely get curious when members on this board that are in the loop say things with such strong conviction What would have been the AJ Green offer?
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Also, not everything that is inside info comes out on this board—a LOT of it gets communicated via PM. That way if (and when) something doesn’t happen people don’t lose their minds. Perfect example is the AJ Green trade that came surprisingly close to happening at last year’s deadline. That's sounds great, if you choose to believe it. The world is full of people claiming to know things.
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: That may be. But to trade up Duvernay is one that sounds a bit doubtful. You are trading up 30+ picks. That's a lot of draft capital @Kirby Jackson has said it and separately @thebandit27 has said. I would believe either of them individually, when they are both saying it I definitely believe it. The fact it didn't happen might speak to exactly your point though, right? They couldn't find a deal that they were willing to do? 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: That may be. But to trade up Duvernay is one that sounds a bit doubtful. You are trading up 30+ picks. That's a lot of draft capital Couple things in play here... Could be they werent trying to move up 30+ picks, but rather 10-20 if he was still there. Then he went off the board at 92 and that was the end of that. Also, could be that they were willing to trade the rest of their picks (4, 5, 6, 6, 7) to move up to get him. There arent that many open roster spots on the team as it is, and a few of us had already been knocking around the idea of staying put at 54 and 86, then cashing in for one more guy, and walking away with 3 picks who could all contribute right away. Not impossible.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: @Kirby Jackson has said it and separately @thebandit27 has said. I would believe either of them individually, when they are both saying it I definitely believe it. The fact it didn't happen might speak to exactly your point though, right? They couldn't find a deal that they were willing to do? I believe too that’s why when a possible trade out got out there Beane said it was for an OL. I don’t know if that was true but know that Duvernay was. It would be pretty awkward if they tried to trade up for Duvernay, couldn’t, and then took Davis with the next pick. It’s a lot cleaner to just say an OL since they didn’t draft one. **The reasoning that Beane said an OL is speculation in my part but it makes sense. Edited April 30, 2020 by Kirby Jackson
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: @Kirby Jackson has said it and separately @thebandit27 has said. I would believe either of them individually, when they are both saying it I definitely believe it. The fact it didn't happen might speak to exactly your point though, right? They couldn't find a deal that they were willing to do? That's fine. People can claim it, and people have a right to believe it. Equally people have a right to be a bit cynical that the Bills were about jump up 30+ spots for a WR in a deep WR class where they had already used their 1st,and multiple day 3 picks on a WR.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: That's sounds great, if you choose to believe it. The world is full of people claiming to know things. Here's the most beautiful thing about this board. It isnt just a bunch of random, anonymous posters you'd find on reddit or in the comments section of youtube. Most of us know each other off board as well. Tailgate with each other, etc. So we know who the people claiming to know things are, and how well they are connected. 2
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Couple things in play here... Could be they werent trying to move up 30+ picks, but rather 10-20 if he was still there. Then he went off the board at 92 and that was the end of that. Also, could be that they were willing to trade the rest of their picks (4, 5, 6, 6, 7) to move up to get him. There arent that many open roster spots on the team as it is, and a few of us had already been knocking around the idea of staying put at 54 and 86, then cashing in for one more guy, and walking away with 3 picks who could all contribute right away. Not impossible. You're right, it isn't impossible. But in terms of whether I think its likely? For a team in recent years that has had huge success with day 3 picks.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Mountain Man said: That's fine. People can claim it, and people have a right to believe it. Equally people have a right to be a bit cynical that the Bills were about jump up 30+ spots for a WR in a deep WR class where they had already used their 1st,and multiple day 3 picks on a WR. Duvernay would have been the Bills 3rd player taken. This would have been after Moss and before Davis. Basically, they likely would have had Duvernay instead of a few of the guys that they took after including both receivers.
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I believe too that’s why when a possible trade out got out there Beane said it was for an OL. I don’t know if that was true but know that Duvernay was. It would be pretty awkward if they tried to trade up for Duvernay, couldn’t, and then took Davis with the next pick. It’s a lot cleaner to just say an OL since they didn’t draft one. **The reasoning that Beane said an OL is speculation in my part but it makes sense. But the OL comment was made specifically on day 3. He said it in his day 3 wrap up as well as on the media the next day. Which makes me think the two are totally separate because Duvernay went late day 2. I think they tried to get up again on Saturday for an OL in the 5th or 6th round and got gazumped and he felt more comfortable mentioning that because hey, it's day 3 and because he didn't take an OL so as you say nobody's nose is out of joint. I think the Duvernay deal was separate but he just kept that one totally quiet.
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Here's the most beautiful thing about this board. It isnt just a bunch of random, anonymous posters you'd find on reddit or in the comments section of youtube. Most of us know each other off board as well. Tailgate with each other, etc. So we know who the people claiming to know things are, and how well they are connected. That's fine. You can believe it. That's your right. Doesn't mean everyone has to.
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I also have it on good authority that we would have taken Chase Young at 54 if he had been there. Sadly, we will never know... 1 1
Back2Buff Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I can confirm this one too. Dugger was the guy. They had even talked about trading up for him. This was a weird year for the usually airtight Bills. The virtual draft had more info slipping out than usual. Additionally, they tried to trade up for Duvernay. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/28/bills-appeared-to-be-trying-to-trade-up-for-lions-pick-logan-stenberg/ So you are incorrect about the Duvernay but everyone says just believe you on Duggar?
Recommended Posts