HankBulloughMellencamp Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: I think he lands in Pittsburgh, 1 year deal behibd Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger simply can't make it through a 16 game season. He's only made it through 4 times in his whole career. Dalton is familiar with the division and would love the chance to make the Bengals pay. Ps, i don't think anyone wants to play for New England without Brady. Brady was NE, not Belichick. If I were Dalton, this would be my #1 choice Ben doesn't have much left physically, he's just not in good enough shape to play much longer 1
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thanks for the info Bobby. And even with that, just like cutting Thurney, moving Gilmore to sign Dalton does more harm to the Pats than good. They are better with Thurney or with Gilmore, than they are without them and with Dalton. They are. Really what does Dalton offer to the Patriots that their Draft and Developed for a year QB doesn't? I have yet to see that posted to all these Dalton to Pats posts Edited April 30, 2020 by MAJBobby 1
Gugny Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: No, not even close. Apparently you don't remember how Brady carved us up effortlessly the last time we played him. Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season? This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season. He's another year older.
Doc Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thanks for the info Bobby. And even with that, just like cutting Thurney, moving Gilmore to sign Dalton does more harm to the Pats than good. They are better with Thurney or with Gilmore, than they are without them and with Dalton. Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them. No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA. Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR. And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player.
Lurker Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: They have 2M in cap space. now can get 14M quickly by doing something with Thurney. They need a major Reset and Dalton doesnt do that for them He's a transition QB for a transition program. He'd be a band-aid, not a long-term replacement...
TwistofFate Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season? This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season. He's another year older. He had over 4k yards passing and 24 Tds at 42 years old and nothing on offense besides an Edleman. Now he has Gronk and two of the best Wrs in the game. Brady will throw for 5k yards this year and 40+ tds...at 43
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them. No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA. Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR. And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player. They are an old Roster. and a High Cap % tied into those older players. So if they are looking at their Roster and thinking yeah he need to make one more run before blowing it up then doing what they can to get a QB makes sense (Dalton isnt that QB). They need to go through a reset. and fix their Cap. That should start this year, and Dalton or any other QB signing for that matters delays that to be what 8-8
Freddie's Dead Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) Thuney, not Thurney Edited April 30, 2020 by Freddie's Dead 1
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: He's a transition QB for a transition program. He'd be a band-aid, not a long-term replacement... They have that. They are in transition and need to see what their 4th round QB has, so they can decide what to do in 2021 draft. Dalton doesn't help their evaluation of that. If anything it makes the team Worse be the cap moves that would have to be done to fit his contract
Lurker Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: They have that. They are in transition and need to see what their 4th round QB has, so they can decide what to do in 2021 draft. Dalton doesn't help their evaluation of that. If anything it makes the team Worse be the cap moves that would have to be done to fit his contract Tell that to a fan base spoiled by the last 15 years... 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season? This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season. He's another year older. One bad game against our Top D, but went on to have another Brady season down the line. How did Dalton do last year? BRady had his worst year and ended with a passer rating of 88.0. Dalton had a typical year and ended with a passer rating of 78.3.
LABILLBACKER Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Well the Pats just got better Not really
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Lurker said: Tell that to a fan base spoiled by the last 15 years... I don't care about a fan base that 50% will be gone in 2 years, heck I am guessing 10% have already jumped ship 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them. No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA. Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR. And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player. Well heck, in that case, PLEASE sign Dalton!
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Not really I didn’t say that they were good. Adding Dalton though makes them a lot better than they are now.
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Here is what they are saying on the Pats board https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/bengals-release-qb-andy-dalton.1152293/ 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I didn’t say that they were good. Adding Dalton though makes them a lot better than they are now. How if in order to do it will Cost you Gilmore and Sanu, or Thurney and Sanu 1
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Here is what they are saying on the Pats board https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/bengals-release-qb-andy-dalton.1152293/ How if in order to do it will Cost you Gilmore and Sanu, or Thurney and Sanu I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work.
Gugny Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: One bad game against our Top D, but went on to have another Brady season down the line. How did Dalton do last year? BRady had his worst year and ended with a passer rating of 88.0. Dalton had a typical year and ended with a passer rating of 78.3. Don't get me wrong ... Brady had a great season. But there's a reason that there's never been a 43 year old QB play well in the NFL. I think any QB would do better on the Patriots (with Bill B. and McDaniels) than they would on most other teams ... especially the Bengals.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: That’s a little aggressive. It's also completely ridiculous. 1
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work. Maybe, I just don't see it. Does Dalton make this team a SB contender? I don't think it does. So why delay the evaluation of Stidham before the 2021 draft. This team needs a reset, I guess it comes down to BB ego allowing that reset
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