Doc Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, let me remind you of how all of this started: Don Jr. "breathlessly" took a meeting with a woman who was almost certainly (and it's not as if she was a master of disguise - she was right out of central casting) was a Russian agent: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/mueller-report-confirms-don-jr-too-stupid-to-collude-with-russia That's not "collusion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: That's not "collusion." Call it what you want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, let me remind you of how all of this started: Don Jr. "breathlessly" took a meeting with a woman who was almost certainly (and it's not as if she was a master of disguise - she was right out of central casting) was a Russian agent: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/mueller-report-confirms-don-jr-too-stupid-to-collude-with-russia You speak of Natalie Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya met with Glenn Simpson the day before AND the day after the Don Jr. meeting. Who is Glenn Simpson? The founder of Fusion GPS. The outfit paid by the DNC to produce the now infamous and complete bunk Steele dossier meant to smear Trump. Smells a little fishy. Additionally Veselnitskaya needed DOJ permission to enter the US and was granted that permission by the Obama DOJ, perhaps even signed off by Loretta Lynch herself. Seems like the DOJ needs to answer some hard questions for allowing this dangerous Russian asset into the US in the first place, right? Hmmm.. This is critical information that's relevant to the story, yet its never included in the reporting from corporate media outlets. I wonder why? It's also interesting that the left finds it no big deal that Christopher Steele, a foreigner, was paid to dig up dirt on a Presidential candidate during the 2016 election. Some might call that foreign interference in a US election. Ooohhhh that's different because Trump, amirite? Edited April 19, 2022 by DRsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: You speak of Natalie Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya met with Glenn Simpson the day before AND the day after the Don Jr. meeting. Who is Glenn Simpson? The founder of Fusion GPS. The outfit paid by the DNC to produce the now infamous and complete bunk Steele dossier. Smells a little fishy. Additionally Veselnitskaya needed DOJ permission to enter the US and was granted that permission by the Obama DOJ, perhaps even signed off by Loretta Lynch herself. Seems like the DOJ needs to answer some hard questions for allowing this dangerous Russian asset into the US in the first place, right? Hmmm.. This is critical information that's relevant to the story, yet its never included in the reporting from corporate media outlets. I wonder why? Well, when Natalie contacted Trump campaign officials to arrange a meeting she lied to them about her intentions because she was already working with and/or for Simpson and Fusion GPS. And by extension the DNC and the Clinton campaign. And the Obama WH facilitated the relationship and knew all about it. I believe that's pretty close to what Durham is going to prove and submit for the official investigation findings and criminal charges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Yup on the previous 2 posts. But again, not collusion by Don Jr. And certainly nothing even close to what the Dems did with foreign spy Chris Steele. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup on the previous 2 posts. But again, not collusion by Don Jr. And certainly nothing even close to what the Dems did with foreign spy Chris Steele. Trump colluded with Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 You've chosen to ignore content by BillStime. Options Now don't tell me. This one definitely has to have Trump! and Cult! I'm guessing maybe a little Coup! for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: You've chosen to ignore content by BillStime. Options Now don't tell me. This one definitely has to have Trump! and Cult! I'm guessing maybe a little Coup! for good measure. Say's the guy all over the Durham thread and attempted to bring back to life the Horowitz's DOJ thread... On 4/16/2022 at 7:22 PM, DRsGhost said: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Trump colluded with Russia Mueller's investigation, coincidentally staffed by many current or former employees of the law firm that represents Clinton and the DNC, resulted in no indictments or evidence of any such collusion. If anybody was out to get him it was these guys. But they came up empty. And yet you continue to insist you know better and that unproven accusations of collusion are equivalent to guilt of collusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Mueller's investigation, coincidentally staffed by many current or former employees of the law firm that represents Clinton and the DNC, resulted in no indictments or evidence of any such collusion. If anybody was out to get him it was these guys. But they came up empty. And yet you continue to insist you know better and that unproven accusations of collusion are equivalent to guilt of collusion. Awe, that's cute. Referencing Mueller; who DID highlight numerous meetings and connections associated with Trump and Russia - was purposely watered down by Bill Barr. And tell us - All Pro - why hasn't that fully unredacted report been released? But what is also cute - you purposely fail to mention that the GOP's own Senate Report highlighted all of the collusion, as well! 140+ meetings with Russians Campaign data shared with Russians Coordinated WikiLeaks dumps with Russians On 4/16/2022 at 7:22 PM, DRsGhost said: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You want to know what sealed it? First he said this: And then Traitor in Chief realized he F'd over US intelligence - he misspoke: F'n idiots Edited April 19, 2022 by BillStime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 No simps, he didn't collude with Russia. Hence the reason nothing has happened to him since he left office. Again, you don't just let someone off the hook for treason just because he is no longer President. In fact you go after him full force because he is no longer President. Try as you might, you'll never get over that fact and just look stupid continuing to parrot the lies your masters told you and you continue to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Awe, that's cute. Referencing Mueller; who DID highlight numerous meetings and connections associated with Trump and Russia - was purposely watered down by Bill Barr. And tell us - All Pro - why hasn't that fully unredacted report been released? But what is also cute - you purposely fail to mention that the GOP's own Senate Report highlighted all of the collusion, as well! 140+ meetings with Russians Campaign data shared with Russians Coordinated WikiLeaks dumps with Russians You want to know what sealed it? First he said this: And then Traitor in Chief he realize he F'd over US intelligence - he misspoke: F'n idiots Meeting with foreigners is not illegal. Especially given private business arrangements. Sharing what campaign data? With what Russians? Wikileaks posted e-mails and correspondence on publicly available media. They did not direct anything specifically to any campaign or any organization or share anything privately with anyone that wasn't made public. And stated clearly Russian government or Russian nationals was not the source. Continue living in your fantasy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Meeting with foreigners is not illegal. Especially given private business arrangements. Sharing what campaign data? With what Russians? Wikileaks posted e-mails and correspondence on publicly available media. They did not direct anything specifically to any campaign or any organization or share anything privately with anyone that wasn't made public. And stated clearly Russian government or Russian nationals was not the source. Continue living in your fantasy. Yeah really? Fantasy? lmao Roger Stone: Trump adviser found guilty on all counts in WikiLeaks hacking case ignorance is fn bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah really? Fantasy? lmao Roger Stone: Trump adviser found guilty on all counts in WikiLeaks hacking case ignorance is fn bliss Correct. It's not like there were no prosecutions - and findings of guilt - here. Of course what we have in response is the typical "whataboutism." Yes, the whole Hillary-Fusion-Steele-Perkins Coie thing stinks, and I think it's pretty clear that she was deep into digging up dirt on Trump. But there's a kind of "see, they set up Trump!" thing going on here that assumes that Trump was somehow pure as the driven snow until evil deep state operatives set him up. It's also pretty clear that he and his minions were trying like hell to get dirt on Hillary from Russian state sources. That's why the Bannon quote (above in this thread) is so telling ... that's what one of Trump's key insiders thought of the whole mess, until of course Trump weirdly pardoned him for a completely unrelated offense, and Bannon rewarded him by coming back home to Trumpland. If you want to deflect blame by going to the old "politics is a dirty business," you won't get any argument from me. But that's not going to convince me or anyone other than those in the echo chamber that Trump was just a fine loyal American doing patriotic things ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah really? Fantasy? lmao Roger Stone: Trump adviser found guilty on all counts in WikiLeaks hacking case ignorance is fn bliss You're saying one man's conviction on a specific charge proves everyone else is guilty of whatever you want to make up? You should learn how the law works in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Correct. It's not like there were no prosecutions - and findings of guilt - here. Of course what we have in response is the typical "whataboutism." Yes, the whole Hillary-Fusion-Steele-Perkins Coie thing stinks, and I think it's pretty clear that she was deep into digging up dirt on Trump. But there's a kind of "see, they set up Trump!" thing going on here that assumes that Trump was somehow pure as the driven snow until evil deep state operatives set him up. It's also pretty clear that he and his minions were trying like hell to get dirt on Hillary from Russian state sources. That's why the Bannon quote (above in this thread) is so telling ... that's what one of Trump's key insiders thought of the whole mess, until of course Trump weirdly pardoned him for a completely unrelated offense, and Bannon rewarded him by coming back home to Trumpland. If you want to deflect blame by going to the old "politics is a dirty business," you won't get any argument from me. But that's not going to convince me or anyone other than those in the echo chamber that Trump was just a fine loyal American doing patriotic things ... Couldn’t have said it better my self. The cult continues to play the “Trump is a victim card” and completely dismisses the fact that Trump and his mob clearly colluded with Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian. That article is four+ years old. Mueller has come, babbled about and gone to where old spies go, Bannon is still rolling along and hasn't flipped on the alleged treason, and Don Jr has not yet cracked, like an egg, as predicted. When is the explosive best seller going to ROCK the world? We've also learned that Obama and Biden were read into intelligence reports that the H. Clinton campaign was knuckles deep in the Steele dossier in early 2016. Speaking of that, and given your feelings on Trump and the case of the Curious Case of Disappearing Collusive Collusion, why do you think Obama/Biden didn't acknowledge the Clinton role in the Steele dossier back when they first learned of it? The country was being torn apart, the Pro-Trumpers calling foul and the Pro-Clintonista's pointing fingers an accusing everyone not like them being treasonous. Wouldn't you think that information should have been shared for the greater good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're saying one man's conviction on a specific charge proves everyone else is guilty of whatever you want to make up? You should learn how the law works in real life. Well if we want to use the morons logic, let's make him live by it. Durham probe has already snared the scalp of FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith who pleaded guilty to making false statements and tampering with evidence in the Russiagate scandal. Therefore by the morons standard we can logically and lawfully go right to the top. Comey? Guilty. Brennan? Guilty. Hillary? Guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Well if we want to use the morons logic, let's make him live by it. Durham probe has already snared the scalp of FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith who pleaded guilty to making false statements and tampering with evidence in the Russiagate scandal. Therefore by the morons standard we can logically and lawfully go right to the top. Comey? Guilty. Brennan? Guilty. Hillary? Guilty. So the Trump campaign didn’t meet with the Russians 140+ times? Coordinate campaign data and Wikileaks drops? Simple yes or no will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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