Love that they doubled down on WR in this draft

[freddyjj]

5 hours ago, ngbills said:

Foster, McKenzie - Probably not

Williams, McCloud, Easley - Maybe

Too funny NG.  The 2 guys the Bills drafted in a very rich WR draft year in Rd 4 and Rd 6 are worse or no better than a 5th Rounder from 2017 (McKenzie), a 6th rounder from 2018 McCloud or 3 UDFAs in Williams, Easley and Foster.

 

Here's the world for the 2020 picks now.  Make this team over 5 guys with little or no production in the NFL.  Doesn't really matter what you or I think but Davis and Hodgins probably like their odds.

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Bills had the 8th best average starting field position, and Roberts was a part of that.

 

Andre Roberts is very good as a returner although his numbers dropped off a lot from the previous year with the Jets.

The negative is he brings nothing to the WR room.  As the Bills roster improves keeping a return specialist increases

the odds that another good player loses his spot.  Roster spots will be at a premium this year.

 

Time will tell what happens with him this year but my point is a valid one.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Andre Roberts is very good as a returner although his numbers dropped off a lot from the previous year with the Jets.

The negative is he brings nothing to the WR room.  As the Bills roster improves keeping a return specialist increases

the odds that another good player loses his spot.  Roster spots will be at a premium this year.

 

Time will tell what happens with him this year but my point is a valid one.

McD cares a lot about ST though. He’s shown that with his rosters through the years.

 

I see Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, McK and Roberts as the room if they  can keep 7.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD cares a lot about ST though. He’s shown that with his rosters through the years.

 

I see Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, McK and Roberts as the room if they  can keep 7.

This is exactly how I see it

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD cares a lot about ST though. He’s shown that with his rosters through the years.

 

I see Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, McK and Roberts as the room if they  can keep 7.

 

McD certainly does and with the 2 additional game day roster spots Roberts has a good chance of staying for his last year of his contract.

Will the Bills re-sign him for 2021 to another 2 year contract?  I don't know about that.

If not they will need another return man soon.

[ngbills]

16 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Too funny NG.  The 2 guys the Bills drafted in a very rich WR draft year in Rd 4 and Rd 6 are worse or no better than a 5th Rounder from 2017 (McKenzie), a 6th rounder from 2018 McCloud or 3 UDFAs in Williams, Easley and Foster.

 

Here's the world for the 2020 picks now.  Make this team over 5 guys with little or no production in the NFL.  Doesn't really matter what you or I think but Davis and Hodgins probably like their odds.

Diggs, Brown, Beasley have had production for multiple years in NFL

Roberts and McK both played a a key role on the team for multiple years

Foster had 500 yds as a rookie

Duke showed flashes and played well in a playoff game

 

That is 7 guys that have legitimately played in the NFL. Only Easley and McCloud fall in the little or no production group. Davis and Hodgins are battling it out with Roberts, McK, Foster, Duke for the final 2-3 sports. With a short training camp it could be an uphill battle.

 

Yes it was a very rich WR draft. That does not mean it trickles down to every single player. The difference was and as we saw there were 5-6 guys worthy of a 1st rounder and another 6-8 worthy of 2nd round picks. Typically there are 2-3 first rounders and maybe another 5-8 worthy of 2nd's. So loaded was in the sense of lots early talent, that does not mean even the 6-7th rounders were better. In total 35 WR were drafted. In 2019 there was 28, in 2018 there was 34, in 2017 it was 32 anke keep going and it has been in the 30+ range for years. 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Diggs, Brown, Beasley have had production for multiple years in NFL

Roberts and McK both played a a key role on the team for multiple years

Foster had 500 yds as a rookie

Duke showed flashes and played well in a playoff game

 

That is 7 guys that have legitimately played in the NFL. Only Easley and McCloud fall in the little or no production group. Davis and Hodgins are battling it out with Roberts, McK, Foster, Duke for the final 2-3 sports. With a short training camp it could be an uphill battle.

 

Yes it was a very rich WR draft. That does not mean it trickles down to every single player. The difference was and as we saw there were 5-6 guys worthy of a 1st rounder and another 6-8 worthy of 2nd round picks. Typically there are 2-3 first rounders and maybe another 5-8 worthy of 2nd's. So loaded was in the sense of lots early talent, that does not mean even the 6-7th rounders were better. In total 35 WR were drafted. In 2019 there was 28, in 2018 there was 34, in 2017 it was 32 anke keep going and it has been in the 30+ range for years. 

 

All these guys are easily replaceable.

McKenzie rushed for only half the yards per attempt compared to Diggs last year.

Foster and Duke are UDFA JAGs in my opinion.

Roberts has only been on the team for 1 season and was a bit of a let down compared to his previous year with NYJ but like I said probably stays 1 more year.

 

None of these guys were drafted by Beane and I doubt seriously that Brandon "wasted" 2 picks.

[ngbills]

36 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

All these guys are easily replaceable.

McKenzie rushed for only half the yards per attempt compared to Diggs last year.

Foster and Duke are UDFA JAGs in my opinion.

Roberts has only been on the team for 1 season and was a bit of a let down compared to his previous year with NYJ but like I said probably stays 1 more year.

 

None of these guys were drafted by Beane and I doubt seriously that Brandon "wasted" 2 picks.

I agree. I also think these draft picks are easily replaceable. 

 

Its funny - I can guarantee that if the Bills did not draft any WR's I would be hearing " relax, we have Duke, Foster, McKenzie, Roberts, Ray Ray and none of the guys available in the draft after the 3rd round were better". 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I agree. I also think these draft picks are easily replaceable. 

 

Its funny - I can guarantee that if the Bills did not draft any WR's I would be hearing " relax, we have Duke, Foster, McKenzie, Roberts, Ray Ray and none of the guys available in the draft after the 3rd round were better". 

 

The thing about draft picks in general is you don't know what you got until you see them play.  I've seen the others play and I have say I don't

expect much more than what I have seen.

 

As for the 2nd part I have to say "Not me!".   I was the guy that started the "Brandon Beane:  Please Draft Offensive Playmakers" thread.

I can't wait to see how it all shakes out.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

McD cares a lot about ST though. He’s shown that with his rosters through the years.

 

I see Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, McK and Roberts as the room if they  can keep 7.

 I think this is correct except Diggs can replace what mck does. I think injury to one of these guys is the only way Duke of Foster makes this team

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Roberts and McK both played a a key role on the team for multiple years

Foster had 500 yds as a rookie

Duke showed flashes and played well in a playoff game

Gotta call you out on your assessments of current talent.  

• Roberts has had success in league at WR with Cards and Ravens (1/2 year) but has not played a role on Bills for multiple years as signed last year and played 2019 only as a Bill.
• McKenzie has played in 22 games as a Bill, starting 9.  He has 3 TDs (2 on runs) and a total of 433 yds on 45 catches and 115 yds  rushing on 18 carries.  I would not say 240 yds in 2018 or 318 yds last year define a key role on the Bills.
• In a what have you done lately year, foster had 3 catches on 18 targets last year.  THREE!  No TDs, only 2 starts and appeared in only 13 games.  McKenzie and Duke beat him out by years end.  If he wasn't a ST gunner he would already be long gone.  Yards per target was 3.2 in 2019!
• Duke showed flashes when?  He only played in 4 regular season games, starting in 3.  He scored on a quick slant vs TEN and had 4 catches for 29 yds.  He had 10 catches (22 targets) for 157 yds vs Jets in season finale and HOU in playoff.  No TDs in either and a critical drop in end zone in playoffs. -catching 4/10 balls for 49 yds and no TDs is Zay Jonesque.  Believe OBD voted on SAT by picking 2 players they hope can do better.
• Nobody drafted at 54 or after would be > Diggs, Brown Beasley this year.  They just need to catch the FA pool of Williams, McKenzie and Foster.  Not too hard to do so.

Edited April 28, 2020 by freddyjj

[Matt_In_NH]

They basically used 5 picks (3 in the Diggs trade) in this draft to get 3 WR's, one in the first, one in the 4th and one in the 6th.  Hopefully no one is upset more draft picks were not used on WR's.

[ngbills]

17 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Gotta call you out on your assessments of current talent.  

• Roberts has had success in league at WR with Cards and Ravens (1/2 year) but has not played a role on Bills for multiple years as signed last year and played 2019 only as a Bill.
• McKenzie has played in 22 games as a Bill, starting 9.  He has 3 TDs (2 on runs) and a total of 433 yds on 45 catches and 115 yds  rushing on 18 carries.  I would not say 240 yds in 2018 or 318 yds last year define a key role on the Bills.
• In a what have you done lately year, foster had 3 catches on 18 targets last year.  THREE!  No TDs, only 2 starts and appeared in only 13 games.  McKenzie and Duke beat him out by years end.  If he wasn't a ST gunner he would already be long gone.  Yards per target was 3.2 in 2019!
• Duke showed flashes when?  He only played in 4 regular season games, starting in 3.  He scored on a quick slant vs TEN and had 4 catches for 29 yds.  He had 10 catches (22 targets) for 157 yds vs Jets in season finale and HOU in playoff.  No TDs in either and a critical drop in end zone in playoffs. -catching 4/10 balls for 49 yds and no TDs is Zay Jonesque.  Believe OBD voted on SAT by picking 2 players they hope can do better.
• Nobody drafted at 54 or after would be > Diggs, Brown Beasley this year.  They just need to catch the FA pool of Williams, McKenzie and Foster.  Not too hard to do so.

Well you somewhat prove my point in saying "Nobody drafted at 54 or after would be > Diggs, Brown Beasley"

 

We drafted a couple guys that could make the team or could not beat out the likes of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts. We may not carry 6 WR's if we carry 3 TE's so could end up being Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and only two of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts, Davis, Hodgins. 

 

Duke Williams - He was the Bills most targeted WR in the playoff game. The staff must have some faith in him. Numbers were not off the board but he was still on par with John Brown and better than Beasley in that game. Not sure I would write him off that easily. 

 

McD values special teams which is why Roberts stays on this roster. He is the quasi 6th WR.

 

McK is Daboll's gadget guy and #5 WR at this point. Who knows if they keep him.

 

Foster is probably gone regardless of if they drafted anyone. But he did put up good numbers and showed promise. He could wind up elsewhere and find his success again. Who, knows.

 

I do find it funny that when I criticize the Bills WR's the response in the past was how clueless I am and Foster is awesome, Duke is going to be a pro bowler or McD disagrees with you. Now that I say our drafted buys may not beat them out it is those guys suck and no question our 4th and 6th round picks are better. 

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Well you somewhat prove my point in saying "Nobody drafted at 54 or after would be > Diggs, Brown Beasley"

 

We drafted a couple guys that could make the team or could not beat out the likes of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts. We may not carry 6 WR's if we carry 3 TE's so could end up being Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and only two of Duke, McK, Foster, Roberts, Davis, Hodgins. 

 

Duke Williams - He was the Bills most targeted WR in the playoff game. The staff must have some faith in him. Numbers were not off the board but he was still on par with John Brown and better than Beasley in that game. Not sure I would write him off that easily. 

 

McD values special teams which is why Roberts stays on this roster. He is the quasi 6th WR.

 

McK is Daboll's gadget guy and #5 WR at this point. Who knows if they keep him.

 

Foster is probably gone regardless of if they drafted anyone. But he did put up good numbers and showed promise. He could wind up elsewhere and find his success again. Who, knows.

 

I do find it funny that when I criticize the Bills WR's the response in the past was how clueless I am and Foster is awesome, Duke is going to be a pro bowler or McD disagrees with you. Now that I say our drafted buys may not beat them out it is those guys suck and no question our 4th and 6th round picks are better. 

NGBills our poles are drawing together.  We need a better bottom 1/2 of our WR corps and this is where these rookies will have a chance to land.  I was never a Foster or Duke fan so no problem for me if we move on. 

 

Williams had a tough playoff game - despite being #1 in targets.  

 

Foster's demise is puzzling.  Wonder if there is a side story.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 4/26/2020 at 10:43 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Pump the brakes there fellas.  Last year they carried six WR. The first four are set - the trio of Diggs, Brown, and Beasley with Roberts set as a great return guy.  McKenzie is the gadget player that Daboll loves that is not in the skill set of the rookies.

 

That leaves one roster spot that presumably will go to Davis.  He will fill the Duke Williams role.  Foster will be gone.  And Hodgins may make the PS or tweak his hamstring in training camp so they can put him on IR for a year.  

Roberts is fine, but somehow I’d rather a younger guy back there with potential upside as a WR, RB, Nickel corner or something. 

[MrSarcasm]

On 4/26/2020 at 9:18 PM, Mark Vader said:

 

Honestly, did anyone else here feel confident going into the season with Foster, WIlliams, McKenzie & Roberts being our reserve group?

 

-2022

 

Honestly, did anyone else here feel confident going into the season with Davis and Hodgins being our reserve group?

 

You will be saying this in a few years. Simmer down a bit these were 4th and 6th round picks.

 

FYI Roberts was a 3rd round pick and Mckendrick a 5th round pick so...

[Mark Vader]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

 

-2022

 

Honestly, did anyone else here feel confident going into the season with Davis and Hodgins being our reserve group?

 

You will be saying this in a few years. Simmer down a bit these were 4th and 6th round picks.

 

FYI Roberts was a 3rd round pick and Mckendrick a 5th round pick so...

This is assuming that Brown & Beasley are still on the team, and considered the top receivers after Diggs.

 

I see more upside with Davis & Hodgins than we do with our current back-ups.

[MrSarcasm]

3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

This is assuming that Brown & Beasley are still on the team, and considered the top receivers after Diggs.

 

I see more upside with Davis & Hodgins than we do with our current back-ups.

I understand the upside point of view but we are talking about a 4th and 6th round picks. You need to cool your jets. These players will have 0-minimal impact this year and next yet you are treating this as if these two are the clonings of Anquan Boldin (Cardinal)

Edited April 28, 2020 by MrSarcasm

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

I understand the upside point of view but we are talking about a 4th and 6th round picks. You need to cool your jets. These players will have 0-minimal impact this year and next yet you are treating this as if these two are the clonings of Anquan Boldin (Cardinal)

Anquan Boldin? Give me a break.

 

Are you saying that there is no realistic chance that these two players could improve our WR group? That we can't do any better than the back-ups we currently have?

[MrSarcasm]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Anquan Boldin? Give me a break.

 

Are you saying that there is no realistic chance that these two players could improve our WR group? That we can't do any better than the back-ups we currently have?

I'm saying 90% of 4th and 6th rounders are Andre Robert's and Mckendrick caliber players and it is unrealistic to expect them to be the 10%. I understand being a fan and what that means but geesh can we please step outside of the bubble on this one.