Love that they doubled down on WR in this draft

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay but couldn’t get a deal done. That likely is how we ended up with Davis (who I like too). Davis will be able to stretch the field and insulate them against an injury on the outside. 
 

Hodgins is a big body that was a decent shot at that point in the draft. He’s a jump ball guy. I’m on record as saying that his lack of separation would be an issue at the next level. He has a chance to make the roster but likely ends up on the PS IMO. If he makes the team he will be primarily used in the red zone. Hodgins is a good candidate to be one of the PS guys to see some game action (although I still don’t totally understand how guys 54 & 55 work). 
 

I think that the roster will look like this at WR:

- Diggs

- Brown 

- Beasley

- Davis
- McKenzie

- Duke

 

Roberts return specialist 

Hodgins PS

 

Can't see Duke making team.  Roberts is backup slot and gadget guy so he is 6th WR

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I still believe in Foster. He has to step it up now for sure. I think Dukes a goner most likely with Hodgins here. Theyll keep McKenzie for the gadget stuff. I see the real fight between Foster and Davis for the final spot. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Can't see Duke making team.  Roberts is backup slot and gadget guy so he is 6th WR

I think that they keep a 7th this year and one less TE or OL. The Bills are going to keep Duke or Hodgins as the “big bodied guy.” I don’t think both though. 

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Pump the brakes there fellas.  Last year they carried six WR. The first four are set - the trio of Diggs, Brown, and Beasley with Roberts set as a great return guy.  McKenzie is the gadget player that Daboll loves that is not in the skill set of the rookies.

 

That leaves one roster spot that presumably will go to Davis.  He will fill the Duke Williams role.  Foster will be gone.  And Hodgins may make the PS or tweak his hamstring in training camp so they can put him on IR for a year.  

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We all know schools have been shut down, but it’s no excuse for not knowing WTH you’re talking about.

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Quiz: 53 + 2 = ?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

43 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

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We all know schools have been shut down, but it’s no excuse for not knowing WTH you’re talking about.

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Quiz: 53 + 2 = ?

 

The +2 are PS players that can be carried on game day only.  They're still practice squad and thus must clear waivers, and are free to sign with other teams to be on their active roster.

52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that they keep a 7th this year and one less TE or OL. The Bills are going to keep Duke or Hodgins as the “big bodied guy.” I don’t think both though. 

 

7 is tough on the 53 - when you probably only need 5 on a gameday.  Remember we may need to keep 3 QBs on the 53 as well.

Edited April 27, 2020 by dneveu

[eball]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay but couldn’t get a deal done. That likely is how we ended up with Davis (who I like too). Davis will be able to stretch the field and insulate them against an injury on the outside. 
 

Hodgins is a big body that was a decent shot at that point in the draft. He’s a jump ball guy. I’m on record as saying that his lack of separation would be an issue at the next level. He has a chance to make the roster but likely ends up on the PS IMO. If he makes the team he will be primarily used in the red zone. Hodgins is a good candidate to be one of the PS guys to see some game action (although I still don’t totally understand how guys 54 & 55 work). 
 

I think that the roster will look like this at WR:

- Diggs

- Brown 

- Beasley

- Davis
- McKenzie

- Duke

 

Roberts return specialist 

Hodgins PS

 

 

I feel like Duke sealed his fate in the playoff game.  If you're not going to be a separation guy (which he never will), you better catch everything you get your hands on.  I'll be mildly surprised if he makes the team this year.

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I feel like Duke sealed his fate in the playoff game.  If you're not going to be a separation guy (which he never will), you better catch everything you get your hands on.  I'll be mildly surprised if he makes the team this year.

It’s going to be him or Hodgins imo. I really think that they will keep one of the 2 big guys. At this point I lean Duke but that could change.

41 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

The +2 are PS players that can be carried on game day only.  They're still practice squad and thus must clear waivers, and are free to sign with other teams to be on their active roster.

 

7 is tough on the 53 - when you probably only need 5 on a gameday.  Remember we may need to keep 3 QBs on the 53 as well.

I’m assuming one less TE but you are right about the extra QB. That could change it I suppose.

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I still believe in Foster. He has to step it up now for sure. I think Dukes a goner most likely with Hodgins here. Theyll keep McKenzie for the gadget stuff. I see the real fight between Foster and Davis for the final spot. 

Foster and Davis will be asked to be gunners - key component for that 4th spot on WR roster.

[billspro]

I love which rounds we picked them in too. Davis is probably a third round pick in most drafts and Hodgins was probably a 4th/5th in most drafts. They both have a chance of being solid contributors down the road. They both get to learn from John Brown which will be huge for their development. 

[ColoradoBills]

It would behoove the young WRs and/or CBs to work on their punt catching skills.

McKenzie could become a lock if he can hold on to punts and he should be working on that harder than anyone on the team.

 

I like Roberts but he's 32 years old also in his last year of his contract and has one skill.  I will bet this is his last year one way or the other.

[Bob in STL]

12 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

There is no roster player #55 - there are 53 and they can elevate 2 from PS for a day (expecting they will be paid game day salary) before putting back on PS without being exposed to waivers.

Same thing. 

[ngbills]

It is interesting and human nature I guess. Fans tend to overvalue the unknown. Last year Duke was not playing and there was so much talk about how he is the best WR on the roster etc. 

 

Now we draft Davis and Hodgins and the Bills have "double-downed" on WR. Reality is neither of these guys could make the roster. Who are they better than?

 

Diggs, Brown, Beasley - No

Roberts, Foster, McKenzie - Probably not

Williams, McCloud, Easley - Maybe

 

I have no problem with them being drafted where they were. But lets not exaggerate the value here. If they had moved up or drafter guys early - like Higgins, Aiyuk, Pittman etc. Even one of the first 10 WR off the board that would be one thing. But they took the 17th and 30th WR of the draft. These are low risk, maybe the make the team type of picks. Its lower than a free agent signing like a Rashard Higgins, Marquise Lee, Jordan Matthews and if one of those guys were signed would we have a Bills double down thread?

[ngbills]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis isn't better than McKenzie, Duke or Foster? 

 

I hope thats not the case... they aren't cutting a 4th round pick. Hodgins I could see on the practice squad, but Davis is a lock. 

What makes him better? All of those guys have shown they can be a capable 4th or 5th WR. Not saying they are amazing by any means but just saying Davis is not in the same discussion had we drafted one of the top 5 WR's in the draft and even a step down from a Pittman/Shenault/Higgins caliber player. Something the Bills and teams do in many many drafts. Take a shot at a WR in the 4-7th round. 

[thebandit27]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

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We all know schools have been shut down, but it’s no excuse for not knowing WTH you’re talking about.

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Quiz: 53 + 2 = ?

So how many players do teams get to keep on their permanent roster that are protected from being poached off the PS on non-gamedays?

[GunnerBill]

46 minutes ago, ngbills said:

It is interesting and human nature I guess. Fans tend to overvalue the unknown. Last year Duke was not playing and there was so much talk about how he is the best WR on the roster etc. 

 

Now we draft Davis and Hodgins and the Bills have "double-downed" on WR. Reality is neither of these guys could make the roster. Who are they better than?

 

Diggs, Brown, Beasley - No

Roberts, Foster, McKenzie - Probably not

Williams, McCloud, Easley - Maybe

 

I have no problem with them being drafted where they were. But lets not exaggerate the value here. If they had moved up or drafter guys early - like Higgins, Aiyuk, Pittman etc. Even one of the first 10 WR off the board that would be one thing. But they took the 17th and 30th WR of the draft. These are low risk, maybe the make the team type of picks. Its lower than a free agent signing like a Rashard Higgins, Marquise Lee, Jordan Matthews and if one of those guys were signed would we have a Bills double down thread?

 

Davis is better than Robert Foster and he is a very different player to McKenzie. He will the first backup to John Brown at the X spot I would imagine and will run a lot of vertical routes. He is a different sort of vertical threat to Brown but that is his role. He is also a better gunner than Foster already and supplants him in that role. He is a better wide receiver than Roberts as well but Roberts is a lock as a return guy.

 

Is worth saying if your primary returner and primary gunner are both receivers you might keep an extra receiver over a backup DB. The Bills carried 10 DBs last year (5 corners and 5 safeties) wouldn't shock me if they only went with 9 in 2020.

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Davis is better than Robert Foster and he is a very different player to McKenzie. He will the first backup to John Brown at the X spot I would imagine and will run a lot of vertical routes. He is a different sort of vertical threat to Brown but that is his role. He is also a better gunner than Foster already and supplants him in that role. He is a better wide receiver than Roberts as well but Roberts is a lock as a return guy.

 

Is worth saying if your primary returner and primary gunner are both receivers you might keep an extra receiver over a backup DB. The Bills carried 10 DBs last year (5 corners and 5 safeties) wouldn't shock me if they only went with 9 in 2020.

Good point. Neal saw a decent amount of PT last year and Johnson was just drafted. Poyer, White, Hyde are obviously locks. I think Levi is safe as well.  Then it’s Gaines, Norman, Marlowe, Jackson. 

 

Maybe they bring in another camp body but I think the above is our final DB room going into camp. I wouldn’t be surprised if Marlowe goes.

[Don Otreply]

15 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

It’s nice to have some young fresh blood on the offense this season. I’m looking forward to more explosiveness given all these new toys. Big year for josh to make this crew click 

It’s all about execution, they all need to be on the same page, physically and mentally. Band of brothers and all.  I am certain that the 2nd half of the playoff game still stings, a very good motivator I would think. With the new additions we are set for the division and more, imo.

 

Go Bills!!!

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

The +2 are PS players that can be carried on game day only.  They're still practice squad and thus must clear waivers, and are free to sign with other teams to be on their active roster.

 

7 is tough on the 53 - when you probably only need 5 on a gameday.  Remember we may need to keep 3 QBs on the 53 as well.

Andre Roberts provided a few thrills last year, but never delivered a knockout punch and was virtually invisible as a WR. Add his salary and he’s on the bubble. ‘Rue-Rue’? ‘Dupe’? ‘Sleazy’? ‘Fluster’? fuggetaboutit..

 

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

It would behoove the young WRs and/or CBs to work on their punt catching skills.

McKenzie could become a lock if he can hold on to punts and he should be working on that harder than anyone on the team.

 

I like Roberts but he's 32 years old also in his last year of his contract and has one skill.  I will bet this is his last year one way or the other.

I’m guessing last year was the last year..

[freddyjj]

57 minutes ago, ngbills said:

What makes him better? All of those guys have shown they can be a capable 4th or 5th WR. Not saying they are amazing by any means but just saying Davis is not in the same discussion had we drafted one of the top 5 WR's in the draft and even a step down from a Pittman/Shenault/Higgins caliber player. Something the Bills and teams do in many many drafts. Take a shot at a WR in the 4-7th round. 

So Duke Williams only managed to play 15 games at Auburn (over 2 yrs), his fault by the way, and he had 57 catches for 877 yds (15.4 YPC) and 6 TDs.  

Isaiah McKenzie  played in 33 games at Georgia (over 3 yrs) and had 60 catches for 823 yds (13.4 YPC) and 7 TDs.

Foster played in only 19 games at Alabama (Over 4 years) and had 35 catches for 389 yds (11.1 YPC) and 3 TDs.

And none of these guys have showed they are a viable 4th or 5th WR in the league.  They combined for all of 17 Starts in the NFL over  a total of 5 years played.

 

Gabe Davis played in 36 games over 3 years at UCF and had 152 catches for 2447 yds (16.1YPC) and 23 TDs.  Had a catch in very game he played.  

Compared to the other 3 he is #1 in Games played, Receptions, Rec/GP, Tot Yds REC,  YPC ,TDs and TD /receptions.  He scored a TD on average every 6.6 catches.

 

I personally like Davis's chances over the other 3 to be the 4th WR this year.  And I would bet that only 1 of the 3 (Foster, Williams or McKenzie) make the 53

 

 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I think you may be right that at the moment McKenzie and maybe Duke are better... Foster? Guy was a disaster last year.

 

Its Davis’s potential with adjustment to the NFL game that will make him a better option in the near future....where as McKenzie and a Duke are what they are at this point. Davis offers more as a wide out than McKenzie, specifically on the outside. McKenzies game is essentially the quick jet sweep and working the slot underneath. 

Diggs and Roberts (if he makes squad) can run jet sweeps too.  McKenzie is not a given on roster either.

[ngbills]

18 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

So Duke Williams only managed to play 15 games at Auburn (over 2 yrs), his fault by the way, and he had 57 catches for 877 yds (15.4 YPC) and 6 TDs.  

Isaiah McKenzie  played in 33 games at Georgia (over 3 yrs) and had 60 catches for 823 yds (13.4 YPC) and 7 TDs.

Foster played in only 19 games at Alabama (Over 4 years) and had 35 catches for 389 yds (11.1 YPC) and 3 TDs.

And none of these guys have showed they are a viable 4th or 5th WR in the league.  They combined for all of 17 Starts in the NFL over  a total of 5 years played.

 

Gabe Davis played in 36 games over 3 years at UCF and had 152 catches for 2447 yds (16.1YPC) and 23 TDs.  Had a catch in very game he played.  

Compared to the other 3 he is #1 in Games played, Receptions, Rec/GP, Tot Yds REC,  YPC ,TDs and TD /receptions.  He scored a TD on average every 6.6 catches.

 

I personally like Davis's chances over the other 3 to be the 4th WR this year.  And I would bet that only 1 of the 3 (Foster, Williams or McKenzie) make the 53

I dont think it is that simple. Zay Jones had 399 NCAA receptions - more than that entire list combined. R Foster caught for over 500 yds as an undrafted rookie including 3 100 yd games. Duke was supposedly all world if not for off the field issues. You can dice it up at many ways. At the end of the day I dont think it is unreasonable to call this what it is. Davis and Hodgins are your typical 4-7 round prospects that may or may not have careers in this league.