qwksilver Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: There is your 6’4” 4.60 40-yard dash Antonio Gables Golden clone and huge college production again. Great hands, speed limited. ++ Against better competition.
The Dean Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Locomark said: I played WR in high school. There are only about 12 routes you can ever run. KC has a few wrinkles on their downfield routes also. How sophisticated is it. People act like a route tree is 100 routes. 4 years of college and you better have mastered 12 routes. So if each one of them is run at 3 different depths, that 36 combos tops. I don't know what to say. If you can tell from watching that on some teams the WRs are only aked to run very few routes as opposed to other teams, I really don't know what to tell you. But if you are saying, if he can run the routes he has been asked to run well, he should be able to run them all, then I don't know what to tell you. I would agree that, if he runs all the routes he is asked to run well, then he can probably do a good job on many others as well, I'd have to agree.
MikeSpeed Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: wait and see. Only and the Only reason they may be a safe if they come in greatly improved or the truncated offseason workouts Hey I hope they make Diggs and Brown trade bait, but unless they are great ST guys I'll be really surprised if they are active on game day.
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, MikeSpeed said: Hey I hope they make Diggs and Brown trade bait, but unless they are great ST guys I'll be really surprised if they are active on game day. umm these two won’t touch Diggs or Browns Roster spot. But Fosters and Williams they definitely will. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Seems like Hodgins and Davis were viewed similarly as prospects in terms of their rankings. CBS Sports had Hodgins at 129 and Davis at 119. Hodgins looks like good value in the 6th.
Lurker Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Well, I'm back from having my head stuck in a bucket of ice. And very happy to see that Hodgins is the pick here. He's got insane body control as a third down and red zone target. He doesn't get much seperation, even at the college level, but he can still be effective if Josh learns to throw him open (i.e., sideline throws, back of the end zone jump balls, etc). He's got tremendous hands and seems to have good football IQ in terms of overcoming his athletic limitations. IMO, he'll make a good WR5, but he'll have to play special teams, which I'm not sure he's done before. Enjoy some of these sideline catches--that's where he's going to make his living: 1
TigerJ Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Nick Easley? I seriously don't remember who he is. UDFA last year. I think he came from Iowa or some Midwest school. He is 5'11" I think, and an outstanding route runner. Pure slot receiver. If Beasley can give the Bills anpther productive year or two, Easley might be able to come in and give Buffalo the same kind of receiver. He's got 4 inches on Beasley, but otherwise they are very similar. As far as Hodgins and Davis are concerned, Davis has better speed while Hodgins is a better route runner with better hands. Davis has been pretty much a pure deep receiver. He'll have to do more than that to carve out a role for himself in the NFL. Davis is a little more rugged. Hodgins is going to need to add 10 - 15 lbs of muscle and toughen up a bit. The reliability of his hands is a big plus. Neither one is going to get a lot of reps this year. 2020 will be about working to alleviate deficiencies. Edited April 25, 2020 by TigerJ
Meatloaf63 Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm pretty sure his "role" of occasional sweeps will be handled by Diggs from now on. I said this before and was ridiculed here, McKenzie is just no longer needed, he brings nothing to this roster... 1
HappyDays Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Lurker said: Enjoy some of these sideline catches--that's where he's going to make his living: Some of these catches are stupid. How was he still around in the 6th? I never even saw people talking about him before the draft. Allen is going to love throwing him the ball. 3
ColoradoBills Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know if they can trade any of them. Do any have PS eligibility left? The new CBA added 2 players on the PS this year AND added a rule that 2 players can have "unlimited" eligibility when it comes to years.
Lurker Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Some of these catches are stupid. How was he still around in the 6th? I never even saw people talking about him before the draft. Allen is going to love throwing him the ball. He's a limited athlete but seems to overcome it (at the college level) with football IQ. We've seen guys do that in the NFL and have nice careers as backups and specialists. I've been rooting for him for a few weeks now and look forward to seeing him carve out a role at training camp. Here's his writeup from Dane Brugler (The Athletic): STRENGTHS: Tall, lean-muscled frame…presses the route before his break, not allowing the defender to dictate his path…mixes speed cuts and stride manipulation in his linear patterns…shows the hand strength and concentration to ***** $nach [I cant believe that's a banned word ] without slowing at the catch point…only one drop in 2019…adjusts to the ball in flight, using his long arms to highpoint or reel-in throws away from his body…shields defenders with his frame…target volume and production increased each season, finishing his career ranked seventh in school history in catches and receiving yards. WEAKNESSES: Not a burner and doesn’t have ideal speed…lacks an explosive top gear and wasn’t a big-play creator in college (of his 86 catches in 2019, only four resulted in a reception of 30-plus yards)…doesn’t fire out of his stance and requires an extended move to shake press coverage…caught up hand fighting vs. the jam, leading to wasted motion at the line…below-average functional strength for the position…needs to develop his blocking to better sustain…missed two games as a sophomore due to a hamstring injury (October 2018); left game due to a right knee injury as a junior (November 2019). SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Oregon State, Hodgins was an outside receiver in head coach Jonathan Smith’s offense. He quickly emerged as the Beavers’ top weapon and finished his career with 20 receiving scores, which ranks second in program history behind only Brandin Cooks (24). He didn’t run the most diverse route tree in college (mostly slants, posts and comebacks), but his footwork is crisp and his catch point skills come natural to him. His speed is more build-up than sudden and his struggles to separate will be tougher to overcome at the next level. Overall, Hodges doesn’t have the explosive acceleration to blow by NFL coverage, but his sticky hands and expanded catch radius are NFL-ready traits, projecting as a reliable possession option. GRADE: 4th-5th Round Edited April 25, 2020 by Lurker 1
BurpleBull Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Lacks speed, but looks like he knows how to manipulate defenders to create separation and get open.
Uncle Joe Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Some of these catches are stupid. How was he still around in the 6th? I never even saw people talking about him before the draft. Allen is going to love throwing him the ball. https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2020/04/isaiah-hodgins-swats-criticism-and-waits-for-nfl-draft.html I just happened to have an Oregon State t-shirt on today. ?
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said: I said this before and was ridiculed here, McKenzie is just no longer needed, he brings nothing to this roster... I don’t think he makes the roster this year. That said, he’s been much more reliable and productive than Foster, Duke, and ray ray.
Mat68 Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 I really enjoy how I can come into a thread thinking camp foder. After some nuggets and videos leave thinking Buffalo has drafted the next great Wr. I think he is what they wanted out of Williams but with more short area quickness. The 2 wrs brought in will put some pressure on Foster, Williams, and Mckenzie.
freddyjj Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: why am I looking at this pick and finding no negatives here? How in the world did he last until the 6th? and his dad played in the NFL too— you know these legacy players always have a much easier transition! Yeah just ask Zay Jones
John from Riverside Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeSpeed said: Hey I hope they make Diggs and Brown trade bait, but unless they are great ST guys I'll be really surprised if they are active on game day. This is a joke tell me this is a joke Edited April 26, 2020 by John from Riverside
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