stuvian Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) looks like a great value pick with good height Edited April 27, 2020 by stuvian
billsfan89 Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) I love how much competition there is on this team. The top 3 WR's are quality players, Diggs is a good WR 1, Brown a quality WR 2 and Beasley is a very good slot receiver, and Roberts occupies the 6th WR spot due to his value on special teams. There then exists Davis who will likely occupy the WR 4 spot but then the WR5 spot has a ton of competition. Mackenzie (a good gadget WR), Foster (a previously productive player), Hodgins (a high upside raw prospect) and Duke Williams who showed flashes last season will all be competing for the WR5 spot. That's 4 WR's all of whom have positives (many of whom could make a roster as a WR4 or WR5) competing for a marginal roster spot. I likely see it going to Mac as a gadget WR and then Hodgins snuck onto the PS but I wouldn't count out Duke and Foster to win a competition. Edited April 27, 2020 by billsfan89
PaBills Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, PaBills said: I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays. Used this same logic in my 53 prediction in the other thread.
JerseyBills Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 This WR room suddenly looks really nice and versatile. And Diggs,Brown,Beez are all business and are great mentors for the young guys
JerseyBills Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 20 hours ago, Mat68 said: I think he will be really good out of the slot. Empy sets, he could easily be the other slot. Geez , if he can develop a bit , that's a matchup nightmare. Especially with Diggs or Smoke next to you.
SCBills Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, PaBills said: I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays. Agreed, but I’d say more Brown. Diggs should be getting a lot of targets in the passing game, so we’ll be looking at way to get Smoke the ball. With Brown’s speed, why not use him on those jet sweeps?
Ralonzo Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: etc That QB is certainly not afraid to throw to covered receivers, or directly to defenders. Luton?
Mat68 Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Geez , if he can develop a bit , that's a matchup nightmare. Especially with Diggs or Smoke next to you. Who else would be in slot in that scenerio? Mckenzie? Foster? Davis? Inbetween the 20s I think he has the route running and frame to be a big slot. Maybe he sucks. There is a reason why he lasted. I think outside the numbers down the feild he doesnt have the speed. Inside vs zone, nicklebacks or linebakers he could be successful pretty quickly imo. I dont see much development past that. Not great but a diminesion the team hasnt had.
DCOrange Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralonzo said: That QB is certainly not afraid to throw to covered receivers, or directly to defenders. Luton? Yeah he was supposed to be one of the late risers in the draft process. Ended up getting taken in the 6th by Jacksonville.
JerseyBills Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Who else would be in slot in that scenerio? Mckenzie? Foster? Davis? Inbetween the 20s I think he has the route running and frame to be a big slot. Maybe he sucks. There is a reason why he lasted. I think outside the numbers down the feild he doesnt have the speed. Inside vs zone, nicklebacks or linebakers he could be successful pretty quickly imo. I dont see much development past that. Not great but a diminesion the team hasnt had. I mean , ya never know on development. Some guys , it just clicks , but ya he seems like he'll be inactive year 1 . Maybe be active for defenses they feel they can exploit that matchup on. But I think his ceiling is pretty high
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Great receivers with slow 40 times https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/ Larry Fitzgerald - 4.63 seconds Career stats: 1,018 receptions, 13,366 receiving yards, 98 TDs Fitzgerald ran a 4.63 at the 2004 NFL Combine and, though he bettered the number to 4.48 at his pro day, there were questions about the elite speed of the receiver coming out of Pittsburgh. The Cardinals took him with the third overall selection anyways and have never come close to regretting the pick, as Fitzgerald will be a surefire Hall of Famer when he retires. Jerry Rice - 4.71 seconds Career Stats: 1,549 receptions, 22,895 receiving yards, 197 TDs The greatest of all time ran an unofficial 4.71, though some claim the number was actually 4.59. Either way, the GOAT did not wow anyone with his speed coming out of Mississippi Valley State in 1985. Rice's lack of freakish size/speed and small-school status contributed to Al Toon and Eddie Brown being thought of as better prospects. Each were selected before the Hall of Famer came off the board at 16th overall. Cris Carter - 4.63 Career Stats: 1,101 receptions, 13,899 receiving yards, 130 TDs In 1987 Carter ran just slightly faster than the average receiver at the time, according to former Cowboys personnel man Gil Brandt. That's both a comment on how much faster wideouts have become (40-yard dash times for receivers rose to 4.48 seconds as of 2013) and how little long speed had to do with Carter's success in the NFL. The ultra productive possession receiver used a combination of excellent hands and route running to become the game's best third-down target and touchdown specialist. Anquan Boldin - 4.71 Career Stats: 1,009 receptions, 12,195 receiving yards, 74 TDs Boldin has long been the poster boy for exceptional receivers running slow on the track. The highly productive Florida State alum dropped to the second round because of his speed concerns, allowing the Arizona Cardinals to pair Boldin with Fitzgerald for six dominant seasons. Interestingly though, the only receivers to run official times of 4.65 or slower and have NFL success since 1999 are Boldin and Tampa Bay Buccaneers one-year-wonder Michael Clayton. Chad Johnson - 4.57 Career Stats: 766 receptions, 11,059 receiving yards, 67 TDs Another stellar wideout who fell out of the first round because of a slow workout. The Bengals knew Johnson was much faster than the close to 4.6 he posted at the 40 due to his tape and displays of quickness at the 2001 Senior Bowl. One of the game's elite pass catchers between 2002-07, Johnson developed his route-running and timing with quarterback Carson Palmer to put together one of the best five-year stretches in league history. Honorable Mentions Brandon Lloyd - 4.62 Hines Ward - 4.55 Brandon Marshall - 4.52 Dez Bryant - 4.52 Antonio Brown - 4.47 1
Stank_Nasty Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: Honorable Mentions Brandon Lloyd - 4.62 Hines Ward - 4.55 Brandon Marshall - 4.52 Dez Bryant - 4.52 Antonio Brown - 4.47 I’m actually really surprised ward ran in the 4.5’s. That’s quicker than I would have thought. Haha 1
CapeBreton Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 I’m not too worried about his 40 time, 4.60 is decent for a bigger guy. Michael Thomas had a 4.57 so you don’t need to be a burner to be successful. Cooper Kupp has a 4.62. Also want to point out that Zay Jones had a 4.45, doesn’t mean anything if you can’t catch the football.
Turk71 Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 Hodgins was targeted 13 times in the red zone last year. He caught 12 of them for 9 touchdowns. Here is how that compared. Also, Hodgins passer rating when red zone targeted was 141.2, 2nd in the nation behind only Tee Higgins at 148.4. I tried including that table and the #of targets table but my phone is ***** up.☺ https://www.google.com/amp/s/sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/03/27/who-were-the-top-red-zone-receivers-among-nfl-prospects/amp/ Receiver Completion % Isaiah Hodgins 92% K.J. Hill 92% Tee Higgins 88% Henry Ruggs III 86% Justin Jefferson 85% Lawrence Cager 83% Receiver Touchdown Percentage (TDs) Tee Higgins 75% (6) Isaiah Hodgins 69% (9) Justin Jefferson 60% (12) K.J. Hill 58% (7) Lawrence Cager 50% (3) Donovan Peoples-Jones 50% (5) 1
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