Rd 5, Pick 167: QB Jake Fromm, Georgia

[Coach Tuesday]

Peterman’s biggest problem was not his poor arm strength.  It was his decision-making post-snap.

 

The Peterman Experience (band name alert!) seems to have ruined some folks’ ability to evaluate QB play.  Nate Peterman’s biggest problem was that he’d decide where he was throwing pre-snap, and then refuse to adjust no matter what happened post-snap.  As a result he was incredibly reckless.  His weak arm strength exacerbated the problem because he couldn’t use velocity to make up for his poor post-snap decisions.
 

If Fromm is able to actually read a defense post-snap, he’s already in a different category than Peterman.  Based on the clips I’ve been watching, Fromm is already light years ahead of Peterman when it comes to reacting to what the defense is actually doing.  That’s not to say he’ll be any good in the NFL, but the Peterman comparisons are inapt.

 

From McBeane’s perspective, I think they view Fromm as “The Real McCarron.”  A High-character guy who can actually run the offense and play .500 ball if Allen misses time.

[stuvian]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t see where this observation of “defensiveness” is coming from. The NFL scouts and draft analyst don’t think he’s a starter. Belichick took a kicker instead of him and he needs a QB. He’s a great kid by all accounts and had a successful college career but has a low ceiling due to his arm and that’s why he’s a late rounder.  It is an odd comment to make that you think people are trying to convince themselves he’s a backup when that’s what everything points to. It’s actually the other way around to tell to convince yourself he’s a starter. Could he become a starter? Sure, others like him have found their way to a start role of even temporarily. But to assume that is a bit of a stretch when his nfl comparison is colt McCoy. 

I'll finish by saying I like Beane's approach to finding value in personnel acquisition through the draft and free agency. There is now depth at most if not all positions. I will continue to root for Josh Allen to develop into a well rounded QB but not blindly. The future is now in Buffalo. This is Clappy's 4th season (correct me if I'm wrong). My preference would be to see Allen succeed and for us to develop Fromm to where we can get 2nd or 3rd for him from a QB starved team. However destiny sometimes changes along the way and I'm open to the Bills reaching success with a backup QB should Allen fail to develop on schedule

[YoloinOhio]

The best part about Fromm if he does make the team is that - and Beane even made this point- he’s a QB on a 4 year deal at a very low cost. I think it’s like 300k gtd. It’s not only positional value it’s cap value. Look at what some of these backup QBs are making 

Edited April 27, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Doc]

Fromm is currently the 4th QB on the depth chart.  He's got to work his way up the ladder.  He's got the advantage though because he hasn't proven himself to be, at best, a backup QB like Barkley and Webb have, plus he's cheap. 

[Jauronimo]

On 4/25/2020 at 2:28 PM, MAJBobby said:

Yet Combine his ball Velocity same as Eason and Close to Love?

I'm just going to leave this here.

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Ball speed at the Combine. 

 

Mahomes 55 mph

Deshaun Watson 45 mph

Nathan Peterman 49 mph

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Peterman’s biggest problem was not his poor arm strength.  It was his decision-making post-snap.

 

The Peterman Experience (band name alert!) seems to have ruined some folks’ ability to evaluate QB play.  Nate Peterman’s biggest problem was that he’d decide where he was throwing pre-snap, and then refuse to adjust no matter what happened post-snap.  As a result he was incredibly reckless.  His weak arm strength exacerbated the problem because he couldn’t use velocity to make up for his poor post-snap decisions.
 

If Fromm is able to actually read a defense post-snap, he’s already in a different category than Peterman.  Based on the clips I’ve been watching, Fromm is already light years ahead of Peterman when it comes to reacting to what the defense is actually doing.  That’s not to say he’ll be any good in the NFL, but the Peterman comparisons are inapt.

 

From McBeane’s perspective, I think they view Fromm as “The Real McCarron.”  A High-character guy who can actually run the offense and play .500 ball if Allen misses time.

Yup.  And you knew Peterman wasn't a threat to challenge deep.  

 

In the Houston game after Allen got hurt, the defensive backs were telling their safeties to hang back just in case while the DBs jumped the short routes.  Pick 6.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

A head scratcher at first, this pick has grown on me. Beane wants to create competition at every position, even when he has an entrenched starting QB.  Fromm, who has never failed in the NFL, is more likely to push JA than an aging vet like Flacco, Barkley or any of the other options.  

 

I think what i want from a backup QB is as close to a 50/50 shot to win.  Like if the team is say 11-5 with allen, i would want the backup to get me to 8-8/7-9.  

 

Mostly because if Allen misses half a game, or 2 games or whatever - 50/50 is good odds.  

 

Our current backup is a 30 year old journey man who carries a sub 60% career passer, with no running threat, a 1:2 TD to INT ratio, and 10 fumbles in 14 games.  It was worth it to try and improve the backup QB.  

[CapeBreton]

55 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm just going to leave this here.

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Ball speed at the Combine. 

 

Mahomes 55 mph

Deshaun Watson 45 mph

Nathan Peterman 49 mph

Yup.  And you knew Peterman wasn't a threat to challenge deep.  

 

In the Houston game after Allen got hurt, the defensive backs were telling their safeties to hang back just in case while the DBs jumped the short routes.  Pick 6.

are these numbers accurate? I have so many questions. Lamar Jackson’s velocity was quite awful at 49 mph. I’m also surprised by Jared Goff at 58, I never thought he had much velocity on his throws.

[Iverwig]

1 hour ago, CapeBreton said:

are these numbers accurate? I have so many questions. Lamar Jackson’s velocity was quite awful at 49 mph. I’m also surprised by Jared Goff at 58, I never thought he had much velocity on his throws.

I have seen this list before but what we don’t know is the conditions the ball were thrown in and what determines the velocity. All I know is it only matters on game day.
 

Example: You can take two baseball pitchers where one may throw 90mph on a radar but when the batter steps in they no longer throw 90 and may clock 84. Then you take someone who throws 86 and they will still clock 86 in the game. Before game day the most would take the 90mph pitcher all day. 
 

different sport I know but I find it hard to believe LJ clocks 49 and is drafted in the 1st round if this list was legit. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DCOrange]

Fromm has the potential to be a really nice fit here: a backup QB that is capable of being a below-average starter, but more importantly, a guy that can make reads pretty well and get the ball into the hands of our playmakers (now that we're finally starting to have some playmakers on the team) to keep the offense on schedule.

 

He certainly doesn't have Josh Allen's upside. But I think he's likely to end up around the same level of player that Barkley is right now and there's at least a little bit of upside that he could become something like a poor man's Marc Bulger or something like that.

[Ennjay]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

Fromm is currently the 4th QB on the depth chart.  He's got to work his way up the ladder.  He's got the advantage though because he hasn't proven himself to be, at best, a backup QB like Barkley and Webb have, plus he's cheap. 

 

And here I thought drafting Fromm meant the Davis Webb era is over.

 

The only question in my mind here -- seriously -- is whether they'll put Fromm on the roster or chance waiving him to the PS.  Webb is a non-factor and Barkley is on the last year of his contract, so Fromm was drafted to fill the luxury position of backup QB for the longer term, not 2020.  They like saving the roster space by carrying only 2 QB's and I think they'll carry two kickers with Bass handling KO's.  They also like DL's and WR's in numbers.  So there will be some tough decisions coming this year.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Fromm spent '20 on IR either.  Just sayin'.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

are these numbers accurate? I have so many questions. Lamar Jackson’s velocity was quite awful at 49 mph. I’m also surprised by Jared Goff at 58, I never thought he had much velocity on his throws.

 

I believe its like a sideline out route - and they do one to each side of the field.  Trying to simulate a situation where you would want to throw a heater.

 

You know which ones they are like checking velocity on, but i think if you throw it out of bounds trying to put mustard on it that wouldn't look good either.  I know some of the softer arm guys train this one to try and up the numbers so their "weak" arm doesn't test weak.  

 

[Charles Romes]

I'm just going to leave this here.

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Ball speed at the Combine. 

 

Mahomes 55 mph

Deshaun Watson 45 mph

Nathan Peterman 49 mph

Yup.  And you knew Peterman wasn't a threat to challenge deep.  

 

In the Houston game after Allen got hurt, the defensive backs were telling their safeties to hang back just in case while the DBs jumped the short routes.  Pick 6.

 

 

 

Josh Allen the official

combine GOAT at 62 mph! 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Iverwig said:

I have seen this list before but what we don’t know is the conditions the ball were thrown in and what determines the velocity. All I know is it only matters on game day.
 

Example: You can take two baseball pitchers where one may throw 90mph on a radar but when the batter steps in they no longer throw 90 and may clock 84. Then you take someone who throws 86 and they will still clock 86 in the game. Before game day the most would take the 90mph pitcher all day. 
 

different sport I know but I find it hard to believe LJ clocks 49 and is drafted in the 1st round if this list was legit. 

 

This is measured at the Combine. 

 

28 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

And here I thought drafting Fromm meant the Davis Webb era is over.

 

The only question in my mind here -- seriously -- is whether they'll put Fromm on the roster or chance waiving him to the PS.  Webb is a non-factor and Barkley is on the last year of his contract, so Fromm was drafted to fill the luxury position of backup QB for the longer term, not 2020.  They like saving the roster space by carrying only 2 QB's and I think they'll carry two kickers with Bass handling KO's.  They also like DL's and WR's in numbers.  So there will be some tough decisions coming this year.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Fromm spent '20 on IR either.  Just sayin'.

 

If Fromm shows anything, I'd keep him and cut Barkley but tell him to keep in shape to be called up if Josh misses extended time. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

26 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

I'm just going to leave this here.

 

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

 

Ball speed at the Combine. 

 

Mahomes 55 mph

Deshaun Watson 45 mph

Nathan Peterman 49 mph

Yup.  And you knew Peterman wasn't a threat to challenge deep.  

 

In the Houston game after Allen got hurt, the defensive backs were telling their safeties to hang back just in case while the DBs jumped the short routes.  Pick 6.

 

 

 

Josh Allen the official

combine GOAT at 62 mph! 

 

I mean - deep balls don't have anything to do with velocity though.  With proper timing and trajectory a weak armed QB can still complete deep throws. 

 

Petermans tendency to always go low in high/low reads was his biggest problem.  He also glued his eyes to a single target pre-snap based on a matchup he liked, and didn't stray from it.  

[djp14150]

I see this team keeping Barkley and state farm on the roster.  Barkley has experience in nflfor back up. Next year Barkley is a free agent so thry have stste farm after a yr of seasoning as a replacement 

 

then you get potential what happened in Washington with RG3 and  Cousins ( also a 5th round pick)

[njbuff]

Maybe it's me, but I don't see Fromm's arm as a problem.

 

That doesn't mean he will be an NFL QB, but I think his lack of arm strength is exaggerated.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 hours ago, stuvian said:

What's amusing is the 36 pages of people convincing themselves that Fromm is a backup 

 

 

...wait 'til home unis feature khaki pants........stay tuned...........

[FLFan]

22 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Maybe it's me, but I don't see Fromm's arm as a problem.

 

That doesn't mean he will be an NFL QB, but I think his lack of arm strength is exaggerated.

Very exaggerated.  

[Needle]

Fromm is a competitor and that is as important as talent to this regime. I think he indirectly pushes Josh without having a QB controversy. Josh being a competitor himself cannot have the backup out working him.