beerme1 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/26/2020 at 10:42 AM, WizdomCalling said: Very Aaron Schobel ish to me and not just because of #94 (Idk if this point has been made, didn't feel like reading 37 pages just to make sure. Please don't roast me if someone else already said it ?) You should be roasted for not reading the prior 37 pages. Not your take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/26/2020 at 7:21 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said: I think the displeasure/concern is he isn't super althetic and timed pretty poorly across the board. I am not displeased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, beerme1 said: You should be roasted for not reading the prior 37 pages. Not your take. It's also just a terrible take in the first place. Schobel was undersized and lacked power. Epenesa is big and powerful. And without reading the 20 or so pages I've missed, I'm hoping this has been pointed out repeatedly. I truly don't understand the comparison. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 He forces so many fumbles because he’s always looking to go for the ball. My type of DE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: It's also just a terrible take in the first place. Schobel was undersized and lacked power. Epenesa is big and powerful. And without reading the 20 or so pages I've missed, I'm hoping this has been pointed out repeatedly. I truly don't understand the comparison. You should be roasted for not reading the prior 20 pages or so. Not your take. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: Just thinking: Hughes-Jefferson-Oliver-Addison Epenesa-Phillips-Star-Murphy Vernon Butler and Darryl Johnson as reserves.... that’s one heck of a rotation! IMO it’s more: Hughes-Butler-Oliver-Epenesa Addison-Star-Jefferson-Murphy Johnson and Phillips in reserve If you really don’t want a team to be able to run the ball: Jefferson-Star-Butler-Epenesa If Murphy gets cut (I think it is likely) you either see more Johnson at End or Phillips at 3 tech with Jefferson at end Sub package you might see something like: Hughes-Jefferson/Epenesa-Oliver-Addison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 You win games by controlling the lines...mostly The bills understand that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/26/2020 at 12:36 PM, Augie said: I have to believe that the drop off in DE from round 2 to round 3 was greater than the drop off in RB....because Dobbins sure did look like a sweet pick! I wonder how they had Moss rated vs Dobbins? These guys know infinitely more about this than I do, and they have a great track record, so I trust this was the best way to go. I bet some of Beane’s angst leading up to the Moss pick was because he knew it was a gamble to go DE first. . I bet Dobbins and Moss were similar. Epenesa would have been the 1 guy sticking way out. 1. De is a more important position than Rb. 2. Almost everyone rated Espenesa 20 to 30 overall. 3. The draft was very thin at De and pretty deep at Rb. 4. Moss does not have the deep speed as Dobbins, he does make more defenders miss. At the start of day 2, Buffalo was primed for a solid player to fall to them. I think Epenesa was that player. The picks of Epenesa and Moss are not sexy, they are geat fits and provided the greatest value. On a playoff team with the majority of key players returning Buffalo added 2 guys who will be on the feild alot day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: I bet Dobbins and Moss were similar. Epenesa would have been the 1 guy sticking way out. 1. De is a more important position than Rb. 2. Almost everyone rated Espenesa 20 to 30 overall. 3. The draft was very thin at De and pretty deep at Rb. 4. Moss does not have the deep speed as Dobbins, he does make more defenders miss. At the start of day 2, Buffalo was primed for a solid player to fall to them. I think Epenesa was that player. The picks of Epenesa and Moss are not sexy, they are geat fits and provided the greatest value. On a playoff team with the majority of key players returning Buffalo added 2 guys who will be on the feild alot day 1. I agree and I’m happy with our draft, but I can already hear the folks coming out of the woodwork when Dobbins starts tearing it up next season. Part of that will be because he landed on the Ravens and not the Bengals, but that will be lost on the pitchfork crowd. I was pleased to hear that Moss ran faster at his pro day. Teams need “solid” players. You can’t have an entire team consisting of Neon Deions. Setting the edge, getting the tough 3rd and 2 or picking up the blitz is like defense and rebounding in basketball. You need those guys even if it’s not sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I think Espenesa and Moss have massive upside. Epenesa is only 21. He dominted the big 10 and drafted OTs. He could become Cam Jordan or Michael Bennet for us. Thats more than just solid. Moss has the ability to be Hunt or Kamara quality. I think people are under selling both there ability and potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizdomCalling Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 16 hours ago, beerme1 said: I was not reading 37 pages lol You should be roasted for not reading the prior 37 pages. Not your take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, WizdomCalling said: Ha ha looks like you fixed it for yourself lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Just got done watching his highlights. Reminds me a lot of another #94 who never put up huge sack numbers but still dominated and made 5 Pro Bowls: Justin Smith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) This may not be (or may be!) a popular take but I actually liked what I saw from Epenesa as the year went on. Has some speed and started to get near plays in the backfield late in the year. I think an off-season with camps is going to do this kid wonders. Calling it now, Epenesa will be the Bills most improved player next season. Edited January 28, 2021 by Beast 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Beast said: This may not (or may be!) a popular take but I actually liked what I saw from Epenesa as the year went on. Has some speed and started to geht near plays in the backfield late in the year. I think an off-season with camps is going to do this kid wonders. Calling it now, Epenesa will be the Bills most improved player next season. He did as the year went on. He came in a bit lightweight but started to beef up as the year went on. I truly think he will have breakout season next year and agree 100% with you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Beast said: This may not be (or may be!) a popular take but I actually liked what I saw from Epenesa as the year went on. Has some speed and started to get near plays in the backfield late in the year. I think an off-season with camps is going to do this kid wonders. Calling it now, Epenesa will be the Bills most improved player next season. I mentioned in a comment before he seemed to have a real knack for jumping really high and having hands up on passes where he had no shot at a sack. He may end up getting a few interception assists if he gets hands on a ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Beast said: This may not (or may be!) a popular take but I actually liked what I saw from Epenesa as the year went on. Has some speed and started to geht near plays in the backfield late in the year. I think an off-season with camps is going to do this kid wonders. Calling it now, Epenesa will be the Bills most improved player next season. As many of us noted here on the Wall, Epenesa was playing far too light early on. In college they like guys to pack on the pounds, but the Bills were looking for more balance and speed. I am glad Beane addressed this in his end of season presser. They had asked him to drop more of the body fat and Epenesa took extreme measures and dropped what looked like 3 weight classes. We saw how he was getting blown off the edges especially on runs and so did the Bills coaches so they asked him to put some more weight back on. I think with his frame he can handle getting up to around 270-275 with a good strength and nutrition plan without losing too much speed. I don't think they would want to see him any heavier than that. Originally I had not watched much of what he did in Iowa, but early on I thought he played a bit too long and upright for a stick-figure end. Over the second half of the year you could see that good burst/first step with surprising balance and leverage. He uses his long arms and hands well to fend off blockers and seems to have natural instincts diagnosing plays, tracking the ball, and taking the right gaps. If he can stay healthy I think this kid has a good ceiling and will work out well for us so kudos to Beane and the scouting staff. I like what we have in Darryl Johnson too. He came in really raw so has a longer runway, but he has that prototypical build and speed and strength you want in a DE. He just has not had a lot of coaching up. He has shown in flashes and I think he just needs more playing time. I think he will get more playing time as Beane is forced to trim the DL roster this offseason. Apparently Trent was usually inactive because Johnson is a beast on ST and they also had Johnson as an emergency DE if someone in their rotation got dinged. Edited January 29, 2021 by WideNine 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I still don’t mind the Epenesa pick. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Hopefully the off-season conditioning program can add weight/muscle. I think he's going to surprise us!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I still don’t mind the Epenesa pick. Me neither Espenesa flashed.....he is going to end up being a solid defensive linemen just not great Need to continue to upgrade the position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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