billspro Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: The pass rush is going to come via the interior..... they will be strong rushing the passer up the middle. I worry about the edge. Epenesa and Oliver are going to be a great interior pass rush on third down. Hopefully, he can become a Michael Bennett type player for us. He isn’t the traditional edge rusher that wins with speed and bend. He’s going to win with technique and power. Epenesa is much more dominant rushing from the interior. Hopefully, Johnson develops into Traditional edge rusher this year. Edited April 25, 2020 by billspro 1
schoolhouserock Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Or maybe his poor combine is because he's not that good and the reason he fell. We basically just drafted Chris Kelsay.....yay On one hand, we have multiple seasons of double digit sacks, lots of other production (plenty of TFLs and a good number of forced fumbles and batted balls), evidence that he can beat first round-level offensive tackles, and credible sources attesting to high character. On the other hand we have a bad 40 time. I get that a Chris Kelsay-level projection would cause consternation. (even though he did have like a 10 year career, right?) I think Epenesa is going to be a productive player for the Bills - just like he was a productive player in college. Therefore I’m loving it. 2
Prickly Pete Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Epenesa is a violent football player! I noticed that. He hits QB's in vulnerable areas, and HARD (I have to admit.... I like that. I don't want to see any player injured, but I do want to see pain). He plays like a Raven, or Steeler. I see him causing fumbles and INT's, and getting into the heads of opponents. I don't know if this was already posted or not, but it's 15 minutes of Epenesa crushing people. Edited April 25, 2020 by 32ABBA
Prickly Pete Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: I get that a Chris Kelsay-level projection would cause consternation. (even though he did have like a 10 year career, right?) Epenesa is a way more violent player, and that matters. Kelsey had his own skill set, and while Epenesa might end up having a similar career statistically, Kelsey wasn't crushing people, and was the epitome of a JAG (or am I confusing him with Denney?). I think he is a more passionate player, and a more inspiring teammate than Ryan Kelsey ever could have been. Edited April 25, 2020 by 32ABBA
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 After watching a little more game film on him I can see now why the Bills drafted him. His pass rush arsenal is amazing, he has very long arms and huge hands to either swipe the OT's hands away from him or gain the advantage with hand placement. He should refine his skills and get even stronger in a NFL training regimen. I can now see how this guy could be a elite inside DT on passing downs and a good DE in short yardage. He could become a very versatile DT/DE, if he ran a 4.85 he would've easily been a top 5 pick. If this guy can learn to time the snap and get off the LOS like Meatball he could be something very special. I still have my doubts but I feel a lot better about this pick after watching just a few games. I'm guessing the more I watch the more I will like this pick. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Matt Miller had him as the 23rd best prospect PFF had him as the 20th best prospect CBS Sports had him as the 26th best prospect Walterfootball had him as the 24th best prospect NBC Sports had him as the 28th best prospect Draftwire had him as the 26th best prospect Sports Illustrated had him as the 28th best prospect Dane Brugler of The Athletic has him as the 4th best Edge Rusher and a borderline 1st round prospect I'd say we did all right 2
Billsfansinceday1 Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Welcome to Buffalo AJ. The Bills Mafia is going to welcome you with open arms...as soon as we are able to. 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Matt Miller had him as the 23rd best prospect PFF had him as the 20th best prospect CBS Sports had him as the 26th best prospect Walterfootball had him as the 24th best prospect NBC Sports had him as the 28th best prospect Draftwire had him as the 26th best prospect Sports Illustrated had him as the 28th best prospect Dane Brugler of The Athletic has him as the 4th best Edge Rusher and a borderline 1st round prospect I'd say we did all right He is one of the guys I was hoping against hope would still be there at 54.
Ralonzo Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 I don't think the Hansen/Kelsay comps are right... ex-Bill wise I'd say Ben Williams as a physically imposing end. That would be a fine value at 54 to have a 10 year career like that guy.
Mr. WEO Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Bob in STL said: You can’t see the forest through the trees. That’s to bad. Must be all that snow 6 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said: Not sure what this means at all in relation to what I said, in relation to what you said. Child molestation is not really a joke at all in any way. Not sure what you are saying. Matos was involved with the sexual hazing of teammates at Penn State.
ghostwriter Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ I could not be any more pleased with the way this draft is going. Epenesa and Moss are incredible upgrades to this team. Both of them will have an immediate impact day 1. I like that Epenesa is a power guy. I value a good bull rush over a finesse guy any day. Collapse the pocket, get to the QB and shut down the run at the same time. Zack Moss is the ideal backup to Singletary, he should start quite a few games for us over the next few years in the event that Singletary gets dinged up or pulls a hammy. Buffalo is now set at RB for the foreseeable future. Moss adds a lot of power and wiggle. Not a lot of breakaway speed but has a lot of short area quickness and power. Fan favorite. So far I’m giving Beane an A+. This guys drafts are magical. So help me God, Pegula better not ever let Beane leave Buffalo. This guys talent as an evaluator is special and he is quickly becoming one of the very best GMs in the NFL. Unreal first two rounds. 2 2
GaryPinC Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Really wanted Dobbins at this pick but Epenesa is a great pick also. He was a standout on that Iowa defense. Deceptively quick, violent with a true nose for the football run or pass. Relentless. He just doesn't have that elite speed. He's definitely NOT Kelsay or Hansen 2.0. He's much more driven, uses his length and has far more range. I'd say 65% Schoebel, 35% Bruce Smith He's got some moves.
iinii Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He was the #1 overall pick in one of the original mocks for 2020 last year Better get that gold jacket ready..... 1 1
Larry Coffman Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Being picked this late will put an even bigger chip on this monster's shoulder. He will be cherished.....just wait!
ghostwriter Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Really wanted Dobbins at this pick but Epenesa is a great pick also. He was a standout on that Iowa defense. Deceptively quick, violent with a true nose for the football run or pass. Relentless. He just doesn't have that elite speed. He's definitely NOT Kelsay or Hansen 2.0. He's much more driven, uses his length and has far more range. I'd say 65% Schoebel, 35% Bruce Smith He's got some moves. Nahhhhhh. You take Epenesa there. Epenesa should have gone in the 18-22 range. He has Pro Bowl talent at DE. The fact that he was available at 54 is unreal. Had any of us fans mocked Epenesa to us at 54 we would have been laughed at, mocked and ridiculed and maybe even accused of having a bit too much to drink. Epenesa at 54 is a highway robbery in every sense of the word. There is no other option at 54. Epenesa is 10000000000000.0000000% the right pick there. 1
eball Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Really ridiculous this guy was on the board at 54. And he fills arguably the Bills' biggest need! I'm glad he had a crappy combine; that's the reason he's now a Buffalo Bill. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Look at Beane and McD pushing those buttons already..."I know you'll come in with a chip on your shoulder." Love this organization! Edited April 25, 2020 by eball
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 So, you hope they’ve done a deep dive on his football character. Without elite (or even average) explosion, he’ll have to win on attitude and effort. Some of the anonymous scouting reviews are less than stellar, such as this one from The Athletic: ”“I just don’t know how much fire there is internally in him to achieve,” a third scout said. “It’s not like he’s a bad kid, by any stretch. I just don’t see that J.J. Watt-type desire and motivation to be great.” https://theathletic.com/1758253/2020/04/20/mcginns-nfl-draft-series-scouts-on-top-edge-rushers/?source=user_shared_article I worry about the bust factor with this guy. Personally I would’ve taken a chance on Uche as a high-upside explosive pass rusher. Not that I don’t like Epanesa, I am good with their ability to scout defense and I’ll assume they spoke to his coaches and feel confident he has enough compete. It just feels a bit like a “straight down the fairway” type pick. That said I’m sure they didn’t expect him to last to 54 and the value is undeniable.
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