Mike in Horseheads Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 I say we go after Howard and Fournette and push our stacks all in on this season. Maybe a 4th for Fournette and a 5th for Howard? 1
GoBills808 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 We have a wholly unreliable group of TEs so I would bring him in if reasonable
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: We have a wholly unreliable group of TEs so I would bring him in if reasonable I've never seen you be unreasonable. 4
GoBills808 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I've never seen you be unreasonable. Good point I'll go get him and a case of beer for good measure 1
Alphadawg7 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t understand why they would have to get rid of Howard. Gronk, Howard and Brate is a pretty fantastic group of tight ends for a quarterback that knows how to use them. On top of the fact you can’t count on a healthy gronk 16 games. Be silly to trade him it’s not like his contract is big or his value is high right now. Because they dont need 3 starting TE1 players on the same team and could use OJ to bring in an asset that could be used elsewhere to help fill out the roster is my guess. Gronk will start, Brate would be a starter on most teams and so would Howard. Edited April 21, 2020 by Alphadawg7
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I've never seen you be unreasonable. Seems we have a lot in common 1
Doc Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Just get Kmet somehow. Why? 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Why? Two and three TE sets
Rc2catch Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Because they dont need 3 starting TE1 players on the same team and could use OJ to bring in an asset that could be used elsewhere to help fill out the roster is my guess. Gronk will start, Brate would be a starter on most teams and so would Howard. They can’t possible be expecting 16 games of gronk. I would expect a heavy rotation of Brate and Howard and limited snaps of gronk to keep him fresh for the playoffs. That would just be me though. Howard isn’t gonna get much compensation
Alphadawg7 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: They can’t possible be expecting 16 games of gronk. I would expect a heavy rotation of Brate and Howard and limited snaps of gronk to keep him fresh for the playoffs. That would just be me though. Howard isn’t gonna get much compensation They were looking to move Howard prior to this anyway though. Maybe he is just not a fit for Arians offense. And I still think Gronk will start. Gronk has been getting in shape because of WWE, I don't think he is in nearly as bad of shape as people think nor is he as old as some people think he is. Gronk will be Brady's safety net IMO, he has all that rapport and timing with him, so I think he will be the starter with a lot of 2 TE sets getting Brate on the field too.
MrEpsYtown Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Why? I want my own homegrown blue chipper. I think Howard is a good player, but you have to pay him that fifth year option the same year as Tre. Kmet is an excellent prospect and if I’m getting a tight end, I’m taking the 21 year kid for 4 years over the other guy for 2 years, one of which is an expensive option year. If its peanuts, say a fifth, I’d do it. Howard is overrated imo.
Rc2catch Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: They were looking to move Howard prior to this anyway though. Maybe he is just not a fit for Arians offense. And I still think Gronk will start. Gronk has been getting in shape because of WWE, I don't think he is in nearly as bad of shape as people think nor is he as old as some people think he is. Gronk will be Brady's safety net IMO, he has all that rapport and timing with him, so I think he will be the starter with a lot of 2 TE sets getting Brate on the field too. I don’t doubt he can play, but I don’t think he’ll last 16 games. He looked insanely skinny with WWE. I was shocked how small he looked. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t doubt he can play, but I don’t think he’ll last 16 games. He looked insanely skinny with WWE. I was shocked how small he looked. Lasting 16 games is certainly always a big question mark for him. Gonna come down to how much the time away helped his body really. I just think they plan to start him, but I would expect plenty of Brate reps too of course. 1
Doc Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I want my own homegrown blue chipper. I think Howard is a good player, but you have to pay him that fifth year option the same year as Tre. Kmet is an excellent prospect and if I’m getting a tight end, I’m taking the 21 year kid for 4 years over the other guy for 2 years, one of which is an expensive option year. If its peanuts, say a fifth, I’d do it. Howard is overrated imo. I don't see Kmet as a good prospect. He's the best of a weak bunch. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: I don't see Kmet as a good prospect. He's the best of a weak bunch. I think he is Kyle Rudolph. He’s got great size, length, runs good routes, great hands, needs to work on his blocking and he’s a baseball player too, so a bit raw. My take on his situation is that he came out too early as a true junior. I think that he would have been a top 20 pick if he came out next year.
Doc Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think he is Kyle Rudolph. He’s got great size, length, runs good routes, great hands, needs to work on his blocking and he’s a baseball player too, so a bit raw. My take on his situation is that he came out too early as a true junior. I think that he would have been a top 20 pick if he came out next year. It's possible but I don't know. Not sure what made him decide to come out (too) early.
Cripple Creek Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: 1. His contract - two years on the cheap (since TB paid his signing bonus already). 1.5 mill this year and 2 mill next year. 2. His production - GP REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG FD FUM LST 14 26 39 432 16.6 6 58 19 3 2 10 34 48 565 16.6 5 75 28 0 0 14 34 53 459 13.5 1 33 23 1 1 38 94 140 1,456 15.5 12 75 70 4 3 He was pretty good in 2018 and OK in 2019. Certainly worth the contract. 3. Possible Compensation to TB - I am guessing it would take a 4th rounder at least - and I think that is worth it. 4. Cut Lee Smith and make him an asst. coach. this is the year we have an out on his contract - will save on cap - 2 mill that will more than pay OJ Howard's salary Bottomline - Beane Get him in!! Edit: Dammit The Pats got him in exchange for Gronk. Belichik doesnt miss out on these opportunities. I was just getting excited. Sry guys I created an unnecessary thread. Edit 2: Maybe not was misled by a wrong sportsline heading. OJ Howard still appears available. Yay! One drop last season. Compare that to Knox and Sweeney. Definitely someone to look at.
billsfan89 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 I would love him as a one year rental over Kroft. I wouldn't mind trading a 5th round pick or a marginal roster player for him. I wouldn't break the bank for Howard but if I can solidify the pass catching TE position and add depth over a guy in Kroft who struggles to stay on the field then I say it is worth the draft investment. I wouldn't keep Howard long term but one year and get a comp pick for him I am sold. This team must really like what Knox can bring and thinks Kroft can stay healthy if they plan to make zero moves at the TE position. I like what Knox can bring but I think he is a year away from being consistent and I don't think Kroft can stay healthy. Give me a better player at the position on a one year rental if the cost is reasonable. 1
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