MJS Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 How about we keep everything regarding points in the game of football the same? It works and I like it. No need for a change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, MJS said: Came here to say that. There's nothing more powerful in a game than a turnover. Completely changes momentum. Adding two points to that just makes a safety the ultimate play in football. No need to add more points. 1 minute ago, MJS said: How about we keep everything regarding points in the game of football the same? It works and I like it. No need for a change. We hear your "GET OFF MY LAWN!" loud and clear. Some of us like to look at things a bit more analytically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, eball said: We hear your "GET OFF MY LAWN!" loud and clear. Some of us like to look at things a bit more analytically. I'm young and don't have a lawn. And I look at things as analytically as you or anyone else. Analytically, it makes sense to keep it the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, eball said: We hear your "GET OFF MY LAWN!" loud and clear. Some of us like to look at things a bit more analytically. So analytical that you haven’t even posted anything in regards to the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I’m good with the safety. 2 points AND the ball is plenty. .... what I can’t freaking stand is if you fumble the ball out of the endzone while while going in to score, it’s a turnover. Take it back to the 15 or 20. But for the love of god, that’s a stupid turnover rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzen Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 If a safety was worth eleven points as this article suggests teams would just punt at the one yard line on first down right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I’m good with the safety. 2 points AND the ball is plenty. .... what I can’t freaking stand is if you fumble the ball out of the endzone while while going in to score, it’s a turnover. Take it back to the 15 or 20. But for the love of god, that’s a stupid turnover rule. I love it because it’s chaos. Nothing else really makes sense either. If you fumble out of the bounds in the end zone, you can’t get the ball in the end zone. Going back to the 20 doesn’t make sense, you turned it over. You shouldn’t get extra downs if you fumbled on third down. It’s one of those weird rules that is kind of unchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-safeties-should-be-worth-more-than-touchdowns/?cid=taboola_rcc_r And if they were worth more, the Bills would have won a Super Bowl. Well it's 2 points and the team has to punt the ball to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Pick six should be worth 10. I mean....why not? That'll teach 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm young and don't have a lawn. And I look at things as analytically as you or anyone else. Analytically, it makes sense to keep it the same. Your answer is the opposite of an analytical take on whether a safety should be worth more than 2 points. Your position is even mocked in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, MJS said: Came here to say that. There's nothing more powerful in a game than a turnover. Completely changes momentum. Adding two points to that just makes a safety the ultimate play in football. No need to add more points. 48 minutes ago, FireChans said: Safeties give you 2 points and the ball, which is potentially a 9 or 10 point swing. Safeties being worth a defensive TD and not the turn over takes away from them IMO. But its not a turnover or even really close. Average field position after a safety (as described in the article) is much worse than average field position after a turnover. Its actually probably worth less points than a turnover from the same position on the field. Its overall undervalued. maybe 2 points and the ball at opponents 35 you could convince me but 2 points and return is not so valuable. Teams have taken safeties at the end of close games to seal wins cause its worth so little value. That should tell you all you need to know about how much its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, eball said: Your answer is the opposite of an analytical take on whether a safety should be worth more than 2 points. Your position is even mocked in the article. It's not the opposite. My analytical approach is just as valid as yours: "a safety should be worth more because they are cool, man!" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, FireChans said: I love it because it’s chaos. Nothing else really makes sense either. If you fumble out of the bounds in the end zone, you can’t get the ball in the end zone. Going back to the 20 doesn’t make sense, you turned it over. You shouldn’t get extra downs if you fumbled on third down. It’s one of those weird rules that is kind of unchangeable. Well it’s not a turnover anywhere else on the field. It’s unnecessary chaos. Loss of down and move it back. If it’s 4th down its turnover and touchback. It’s a very easy fix to a silly rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Well it’s not a turnover anywhere else on the field. It’s unnecessary chaos. Loss of down and move it back. If it’s 4th down its turnover and touchback. It’s a very easy fix to a silly rule. Move it back where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 How many points should it be if a player catches a kickoff in the end zone, then tosses it to the ref, who lets it fall to the ground ... then said ball is picked up by the kicking team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: How many points should it be if a player catches a kickoff in the end zone, then tosses it to the ref, who lets it fall to the ground ... then said ball is picked up by the kicking team? .... depends on who you want to win. If the scoring team would be the bills and they’ve sucked forever so nobody cares if they get screwed or cares to see them advance ..... then zero points. Edited April 21, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: How many points should it be if a player catches a kickoff in the end zone, then tosses it to the ref, who lets it fall to the ground ... then said ball is picked up by the kicking team? 500 minimum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: A safety should be worth five (5) points and the ball, doing this would add more scoring and excitement to the game. I for one am all for such a changes. Go Bills!!! Yeah, I was thinking a five-point play too. That makes sense. It's a hard play to make, it's rare, and it's an awesome play to boot. Bills defeat the Giants, 22-17 (because the Giants go for it on fourth down and fail instead of going for the FG to go up 20-19). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 ...I mean if people really want to get into scoring the minutiae we already have fantasy football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: Well it's 2 points and the team has to punt the ball to you. You're the second person to mention this. This issue is literally described in exacting detail in the article. Just now, GoBills808 said: ...I mean if people really want to get into scoring the minutiae we already have fantasy football. It's a great play and it's a football play (rather then a set-piece ST play). It's rare. And it's worth less than a garden-variety FG, the most boring play in the game outside of kickoff touchbacks. Moreover, it's worth 2 points because .... some guy in the 1890s assigned it two points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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