Pass rusher Dee Ford available. Bills were interested last year

[Lurker]

11 minutes ago, hjnick said:

What is Ford's cap hit?  Thx.

 

Cover your eyes...

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dee-ford-14432/

 

[MrEpsYtown]

20 minutes ago, Lurker said:

That's one hell of a cap hit for a LB....

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/

 

Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/

[IgotBILLStopay]

I'd be happy to take on Ford's contract if the 49ers give us #31 (620 JJ chart) and # 176 (21 JJ Chart) in exchange for #54 and #86 (520 JJ chart). 

 

Then 49ers will have picks in the top 3 rounds which is what they want.

Edited April 20, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

I'd be happy to take on Ford's contract if the 49ers give us #30 (620 JJ chart) and # 176 (21 JJ Chart) in exchange for #54 and #86 (520 JJ chart). 

 

Then 49ers will have picks in the top 3 rounds which is what they want.

49'ers have pick # 31

[hjnick]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Very high. $15.9 this year. But next year you can release him and save almost $13 million. So it's basically a 1 year prove it deal.

 

Save $7.5 releasing Murphy. I guess the question is Murphy at half the price a better asset to the Bills? It's possible the answer is yes. Murphy is a role player that does his job. Not much of pass rusher though.

 

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Cover your eyes...

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dee-ford-14432/

 

 

Yikes! Why help SanFran out for signing a terrible contract...

[Lurker]

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/

 

Why?

Now we'll compare our variables and Milano statistically over the two seasons prior to their signing. In this case we're analyzing: Games Played %, Tackles, Sacks, Stops, Coverage Catch %, Hurries, Rating

 

PLAYER	GP%	TKL/GM	SACKS/GM	STOPS	COV CATCH%	HURRIES	RATING
MEDIAN PRIME % CHANGE							2.45%
AVERAGE PRIME % CHANGE							-1.18%
Jaylon Smith2017-2018, DAL	100	4.13	0.16	2.19	77.8	0.34	75.85
Anthony Barr2017-2018, MIN	90.63	3.14	0.14	2	78.2	0.9	71.45
Shaq Thompson2017-2018, CAR	87.5	3.25	0.2	1.89	82.9	0.57	66.25
Kwon Alexander 2017-2018, SF	56.3	5.78	0.06	3.67	90.9	0.78	62.3
AVERAGE	83.60	4.08	0.14	2.44	82.45	0.65	68.96
Matt Milano 2018-2019	87.5	4.18	0.09	2.79	69.4	0.57	70.65
% CHANGE	4.67%	2.45%	-35.71%	14.34%	15.83%	-12.31%	2.45%

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Lurker

[IgotBILLStopay]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

49'ers have pick # 31

Sry. My bad. Thanks for spotting it.

[Mark Vader]

Just now, IgotBILLStopay said:

Sry. My bad. Thanks for spotting it.

No problem, and I must say that your trade proposal is intriguing.

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Why?

Now we'll compare our variables and Milano statistically over the two seasons prior to their signing. In this case we're analyzing: Games Played %, Tackles, Sacks, Stops, Coverage Catch %, Hurries, Rating

 

PLAYER	GP%	TKL/GM	SACKS/GM	STOPS	COV CATCH%	HURRIES	RATING
MEDIAN PRIME % CHANGE							2.45%
AVERAGE PRIME % CHANGE							-1.18%
Jaylon Smith2017-2018, DAL	100	4.13	0.16	2.19	77.8	0.34	75.85
Anthony Barr2017-2018, MIN	90.63	3.14	0.14	2	78.2	0.9	71.45
Shaq Thompson2017-2018, CAR	87.5	3.25	0.2	1.89	82.9	0.57	66.25
Kwon Alexander 2017-2018, SF	56.3	5.78	0.06	3.67	90.9	0.78	62.3
AVERAGE	83.60	4.08	0.14	2.44	82.45	0.65	68.96
Matt Milano 2018-2019	87.5	4.18	0.09	2.79	69.4	0.57	70.65
% CHANGE	4.67%	2.45%	-35.71%	14.34%	15.83%	-12.31%	2.45%

 

 

I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. 

[Lurker]

13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. 

 

As many people say, the greatest ability is availability.   

 

Alexander 56.3% game played percentage has to be balanced against Milano's 87.5% availability...

[MrEpsYtown]

11 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

As many people say, the greatest ability is availability.   

 

Alexander 56.3% game played percentage has to be balanced against Milano's 87.5% availability...

 

That is definitely true, but I would still take Kwon if the contracts are equal. If Milano comes in closer to 8-9 million, then I'd take him. Both great players, but if SF wants chump change for a guy like Alexander, I am good with it. 

[bigK14094]

2 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said:

and Marquise... could be a good spell break for John Brown

We have seen his act...brittle and can't be on the field enoough.....no return for M Goodwin.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. 

You’d rather pay the guy that never plays.  Makes sense

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/

I like the fire that Milano plays with, but if he won't settle for $6.5M he can go play for the Dolphins.

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’d rather pay the guy that never plays.  Makes sense

By never plays meaning he tore an ACL 6 games into the season and then a pectoral the next. It's not like Will Fuller's perpetually pulled hamstring or Percy Harvin's migraines. 

[Mr. WEO]

Penalty:  lined up in the neutral zone....

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. 

 

Things arent equal though as you wont have to give up a draft pick for Milano .... also suspect Milano signs a cheaper deal...

[dpberr]

Let them drown.

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Things arent equal though as you wont have to give up a draft pick for Milano .... also suspect Milano signs a cheaper deal...

I hope he does as well. I like the idea of keeping homegrown guys. 

[MrEpsYtown]

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’d rather pay the guy that never plays.  Makes sense

I’ll say this, if he was playing, and as you noted, that’s a big if, he’s totally takling Deshaun Watson at the end of that playoff game. He’s just better. But he has been hurt. I’d rather have a somewhat risky, but elite player in Kwon, who I have to give up a pick for at 13 million than pay Milano 13 million.  

[Nester]

Hard no on cap clutter.