Best QB in the AFC East

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Disagree.  I dont think we make the playoffs with Fitz.  Did he get hot for a little bit with the Dolphins, sure...but no guarantee he does that here and he is NOT a good QB.  He is a great backup who can win some games, but he is mistake prone.  And we had a LOT of close games and Allen went for 21 TDs to just 3 turnovers from week 5 on.  NO WAY Fitz only has 3 turnovers over that stretch and we don't win 10 games with more turnovers.  

 

So, sorry man...Allen is better than Fitz already, and is the best QB in this division right now.  We would have missed the playoffs last year with Fitz with his turnovers and inconsistency IMHO.

Yes, it's complete guesswork that Fitzpatrick would have made the playoffs on the Bills last year. He has worse than a career 3:2 td/int ratio, and with the amount of close or one score games we played last season Allen's 20/9 vs Fitz's 20/13 could easily have been the difference. 

[yungmack]

21 hours ago, MJS said:

Yeah, Allen threw a lot of INT's his first year as a starter in college. But he only had 6 his last year. Darnold only increased in his INT's and threw 13 has last year of college. Both threw too many overall, but 6 INT's is not bad. 13 is bad.

 

And how has this translated to the NFL? Allen's INT percent is 2.1%, but dropped from 3.8% to 2.0% from year one to year two. Darnold's INT percentage is 3.3%, dropping only to 2.9% in his second year. He's a pick machine. Allen throws too many INT's as well, but his biggest problem in this area was earlier in the year and dropped off significantly after that.

Darnold was running for his life behind a dreadful USC O line. Once that settled down, his INTs dropped.

[C.Biscuit97]

21 hours ago, MJS said:

Yeah, Fitz is good at rallying the troops, but he is .500 kind of QB, if that. That's why he'll always have a job but he'll never be a preferred starter for any team in the league.

He has been a .500 qb for teams with crappy defenses and bad situations.  In Buffalo, his wrs were Stevie (7th, great pick!), David Nelson (UDFA), And Jones (UDFA).  And they had crap defenses.  In TB, he light up teams and set a record for most consecutive 400 yard passing games in a row I believe.  From week 7 when he became the starter again, the Fins averaged 24 points per game.  On a team where he was the leading rusher!  On a team where they traded their star LT.  on a team where Parker had averaged 600 yards/ season and had a total of 9 tds (which he tied last year).  
 

so do I think he could have made the playoffs on a team that averaged 19.6 points/ game and had the 3rd ranked defense? Um yeah.  I think a lot of average level starting qb could have.  Of course, if you’re taking a qb from the division, you take Allen or Darnold.  but at this point, I think Fitz is the best qb in the division.  Not a franchise guy but he can win games.  That’s why it was dumb for Miami to sign him.  

50 minutes ago, yungmack said:

Darnold was running for his life behind a dreadful USC O line. Once that settled down, his INTs dropped.

Darnold threw 1 more int in 197 more attempts than Allen in college.  
 

there’s this thought that the coaches are holding Allen back and he should be throwing more (I want to see that if he’s a true franchise guy).  But i remember people saying the same about JP Losman (Allen is better than JP) and he was terrible.  

[C.Biscuit97]

17 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes, it's complete guesswork that Fitzpatrick would have made the playoffs on the Bills last year. He has worse than a career 3:2 td/int ratio, and with the amount of close or one score games we played last season Allen's 20/9 vs Fitz's 20/13 could easily have been the difference. 

Aren’t most of these threads guesswork haha?

 

my thoughts are with our schedule last year and our defense, a bunch of qbs could have taken us to the playoffs.  If anything, our offense held us back. Now it’s not all on Allen of course but With a better offense, maybe we lose 4 or fewer games.  That’s how good our defense was and how easy our schedule was.  
 

I love this year’s schedule. Awesome road trips plus games where the offense is going to need to score.  If Allen improves this year, I will fully buy in. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He did throw more in the Texans game... was a mixed bag. Some wow plays, some bad throws and some what the ***** are you doing moments..... basically his career to this point.

That game summed up how I have felt about Allen. 1st half - I’m an idiot for doubting this guy.  I Can’t wait to get destroyed on this board all week and I’ll be so happy.  My friends and I are talking about taking a road trip to the next game no matter where it was. 
 

2nd half and OT - what is you doing baby???

 

he definitely is not boring, good or bad.  He’s like Fitz or Winston in that way.  It’s like being on drugs (or so they tell me ?). 

[Iverwig]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He has been a .500 qb for teams with crappy defenses and bad situations.  In Buffalo, his wrs were Stevie (7th, great pick!), David Nelson (UDFA), And Jones (UDFA).  And they had crap defenses.  In TB, he light up teams and set a record for most consecutive 400 yard passing games in a row I believe.  From week 7 when he became the starter again, the Fins averaged 24 points per game.  On a team where he was the leading rusher!  On a team where they traded their star LT.  on a team where Parker had averaged 600 yards/ season and had a total of 9 tds (which he tied last year).  
 

so do I think he could have made the playoffs on a team that averaged 19.6 points/ game and had the 3rd ranked defense? Um yeah.  I think a lot of average level starting qb could have.  Of course, if you’re taking a qb from the division, you take Allen or Darnold.  but at this point, I think Fitz is the best qb in the division.  Not a franchise guy but he can win games.  That’s why it was dumb for Miami to sign him.  

Darnold threw 1 more int in 197 more attempts than Allen in college.  
 

there’s this thought that the coaches are holding Allen back and he should be throwing more (I want to see that if he’s a true franchise guy).  But i remember people saying the same about JP Losman (Allen is better than JP) and he was terrible.  

 

I find it funny how people have short term memories around here.  I recall several people during the middle of the season stating if we had Fitz the Bills would definitely make the playoffs.  I really like Allen but he also struggled at times last where Fitz would have been more reliable.  Do I think Fitz will have the same year this year he had last year? No, because for as good as he has been he has been just as bad at times.  Would I trade Allen for Fitz? No, but I don't think it is far fetched that he could very well be the best QB in the division next year.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Iverwig

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

 

I find it funny how people have short term memories around here.  I recall several people during the middle of the season stating if we had Fitz the Bills would definitely make the playoffs.  I really like Allen but he also struggled at times last where Fitz would have been more reliable.  Do I think Fitz will have the same year this year he had next year? No, because for as good as he has been he has been just as bad at times.  Would I trade Allen for Fitz? No, but I don't think it is far fetched that he could very well be the best QB in the division next year.

Totally agree.  Allen has upside that Fitz can’t touch.  But Fitz is becoming a better qb.  What he did in Miami was a borderline miracle last year.  He made Parker, a bust, into a top 10 receiver.  They were stupid for signing him. 

[GoBills808]

50 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Aren’t most of these threads guesswork haha?

 

my thoughts are with our schedule last year and our defense, a bunch of qbs could have taken us to the playoffs.  If anything, our offense held us back. Now it’s not all on Allen of course but With a better offense, maybe we lose 4 or fewer games.  That’s how good our defense was and how easy our schedule was.  
 

I love this year’s schedule. Awesome road trips plus games where the offense is going to need to score.  If Allen improves this year, I will fully buy in. 

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised, especially with how Diggs opens up the field for other pass catchers

[Amaru523]

We all saw the improvement Josh made from year 1 to year 2 after they gave him a some decent weapons.  Now he's got an ELITE weapon and he's only gonna keep getting better. If its between the 24 year old Allen and the 38 year old (Nov) Fitz, that's a no brainer to me, and I've been saying from day 1 that Darnold is overrated. Just for the record, I DID NOT want Josh Allen 2 years ago.

 

 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Aren’t most of these threads guesswork haha?

 

my thoughts are with our schedule last year and our defense, a bunch of qbs could have taken us to the playoffs.  If anything, our offense held us back. Now it’s not all on Allen of course but With a better offense, maybe we lose 4 or fewer games.  That’s how good our defense was and how easy our schedule was.  
 

I love this year’s schedule. Awesome road trips plus games where the offense is going to need to score.  If Allen improves this year, I will fully buy in. 

Any guesses as to what the Bills record would have been if they had allowed 500 points on the season?  I’m thinking not good enough to make the playoffs.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Iverwig said:

 

I find it funny how people have short term memories around here.  I recall several people during the middle of the season stating if we had Fitz the Bills would definitely make the playoffs.  I really like Allen but he also struggled at times last where Fitz would have been more reliable.  Do I think Fitz will have the same year this year he had next year? No, because for as good as he has been he has been just as bad at times.  Would I trade Allen for Fitz? No, but I don't think it is far fetched that he could very well be the best QB in the division next year.

Fitzpatrick has been the opposite of reliable in his career. He's a risky gunslinger. He turns the ball over a lot. He has super great games and then extremely terrible games. So yeah, as you say, as good as Fitz is sometimes, he is just as bad just as often.

 

I'll be honest, I don't like facing him. Because you don't know if you are getting 4 TD Fitz or 4 INT Fitz. He's a scary QB to go against. But saying he is reliable is simply false.

[Stank_Nasty]

39 minutes ago, MJS said:

Fitzpatrick has been the opposite of reliable in his career. He's a risky gunslinger. He turns the ball over a lot. He has super great games and then extremely terrible games. So yeah, as you say, as good as Fitz is sometimes, he is just as bad just as often.

 

I'll be honest, I don't like facing him. Because you don't know if you are getting 4 TD Fitz or 4 INT Fitz. He's a scary QB to go against. But saying he is reliable is simply false.

Right. How could anyone argue for fitz and his “consistency”. It’s nonexistent. His reputation throughout his career is the exact opposite of reliable. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 4/20/2020 at 7:51 AM, Greg S said:

 

If fairness to Darnold the Jets are an absolute train wreck on offense. Their OL line is garbage and they no weapons outside of Bell right now.

 

I agree but the mistakes he's made the last two years when under pressure are the same ones he made at USC. It's just how he naturally plays against pressure. He'll beat it sometimes but he'll also just throw stuff up for grabs. Even the best o-lines have off weeks so an improved supporting cast isn't going to fix those problems completely. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Absolutely Davis Webb. No Question.

[Success]

People make too much of Darnold's meltdown against the Pats.  He still has a ton of talent.  I think it's going to he & Allen for many years ahead, almost like Marino & Kelly.

 

Gotta love it, though.  The Phins & Pats will be struggling to keep up.  I love the idea of the Bills & Pats battling for 1st every year.  It won't compute for Pats fans.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

A bit late to this party. 
 

of course it’s Josh Allen.  
 

 

[Manther]

On 4/20/2020 at 12:08 PM, yungmack said:

False. He was not an interception machine in college.

Correct, but, did fumble a lot.  Small hands 

[Jay_Fixit]

On 4/20/2020 at 6:32 AM, hjnick said:

Who was better than Jim Kelly and the 4 superbowls that he led us to?

Dan Marino. And it’s not really a debate.