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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Agree he does. But he also needs an offensive line and Quarterback who don't make it so obvious a screen is coming. It is an area the Bills should really pay attention to in whatever camp we get. The way teams defend Josh because of his legs means you need better than average design and disguise to run screens effectively and the Bills both in the design and execution were not up to it in 2019. 

 

Your post is a perfect explanation of the situation and should be bumped for people to read again!

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3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:


One of the reasons I really like Kmet. We really have not invested in the position in terms of draft capital. To me, if he came out next year he would be a first round pick. He is very young and probably should have stayed in school a year, but I feel like he will be the next Kyle Rudolph type really good tight end. He just turned 21 and is a true junior. 
 

Sleepers I like are Dalton Keene and Josiah Deguara, but I also think the kid Trautman from Dayton is interesting. But if its me I’m taking Knet in the second round. 

Love Kmet... I agree about the Rudolph comparison, that is who I see as well.

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3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Get Singletary in space 2020.

 

If we are doing this correctly, nobody should be within 6 feet of him!  :)

 

 

My first thought was:  is the problem scheme or execution? Maybe some of both, but it never seems to surprise anyone. If I can see it coming, I’m sure the people who do this for a living are not fooled. 

 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

part of the reason is the way the defense plays allen. they set the edge to contain his scrambling and thus running screens becomes a chance for pick sixes

Hence the  concept of the middle screen.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

There is often a spy there.


Yup.  Not easy to run NFL legal screens when teams are playing the QB run/scramble/RPO.

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said:

When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked a talent on offense perform better than it probably should have.

Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would  really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. 

I hated Chan's screens they would work twice but since he had noodle arm Fitz he did them so much it was garbage.

 

Daboll just needs WRs and TEs to catch the ball.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Get Singletary in space 2020.


That would be amazing.
 

I can see him out in space, signaling to the sideline: “Houston, we have a problem. I have made contact with a one CJ Spiller out here. No ball in sight. I repeat, no ball in sight.”

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Posted
7 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said:

When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked a talent on offense perform better than it probably should have.

Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would  really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. 


I hate to go here but.... how much does this have to do with a developing QB that struggled with accuracy and timing?  I’m not sure if that is as much of an issue with Daboll as it is with Allen.

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I have already touched on this multiple times.

 

Teams set the edge and try to not let Allen outside the pocket. Screens take advantage of teams that Rush heavily

 

Other teams don't rush us heavily so screens aren't as effective because D ends are in their right spot

 

The bills will have to get crafty . One possibility would be to fake a smoke screen to the right, while actually designing the screen back side to the left

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Posted
7 hours ago, First Round Bust said:

TE over 60 years

 

our top 10 for passing yards for TE were

1) the legendary Dave Costa 1967 with most yards..19 freaking  effing 67

Paul Costa for the record. 

4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Love Kmet... I agree about the Rudolph comparison, that is who I see as well.

Can't block a lick.  Plays like a WR not physical at all.  

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8 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said:

When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked  talent on offense perform better than it probably should have.

Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would  really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. 

Great avatar!

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Posted
2 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

What an effective play and we barely see it.  Not sure if Daboli doesn't know how to design it or if Allen can't learn how to execute it properly.

Screens are meant to counteract pass rush and blitzes. They don't work as well when defenders are playing contain and trying to hem in the QB / RB instead of full on rushing. If we want the screen game to be effective, we have to be better at the intermediate to long game.

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9 hours ago, aristocrat said:

part of the reason is the way the defense plays allen. they set the edge to contain his scrambling and thus running screens becomes a chance for pick sixes

 

then why is KC the one of the best screen play offenses in nfl history? 

 

Mahomes is just as dangerous as Allen with his legs. We don't do well with screens bc Daboll is a mediocre OC 

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5 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

There is often a spy there.

you have let your dline up field you have a center and 2 guards to neutralize the MLB and any down driving safeties.   This is the essence of the screen play..    Chan even brought the slot receiver (spiller)  back to the middle on occasion for this play.

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