Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 It's not about design it's about wanting them to be a big part of the offense. We're not a screen team by design. The reasoning is personnel.
ColoradoBills Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Agree he does. But he also needs an offensive line and Quarterback who don't make it so obvious a screen is coming. It is an area the Bills should really pay attention to in whatever camp we get. The way teams defend Josh because of his legs means you need better than average design and disguise to run screens effectively and the Bills both in the design and execution were not up to it in 2019. Your post is a perfect explanation of the situation and should be bumped for people to read again!
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: One of the reasons I really like Kmet. We really have not invested in the position in terms of draft capital. To me, if he came out next year he would be a first round pick. He is very young and probably should have stayed in school a year, but I feel like he will be the next Kyle Rudolph type really good tight end. He just turned 21 and is a true junior. Sleepers I like are Dalton Keene and Josiah Deguara, but I also think the kid Trautman from Dayton is interesting. But if its me I’m taking Knet in the second round. Love Kmet... I agree about the Rudolph comparison, that is who I see as well. 1
Augie Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Get Singletary in space 2020. If we are doing this correctly, nobody should be within 6 feet of him! My first thought was: is the problem scheme or execution? Maybe some of both, but it never seems to surprise anyone. If I can see it coming, I’m sure the people who do this for a living are not fooled. . Edited April 19, 2020 by Augie
fan_in_tx Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, aristocrat said: part of the reason is the way the defense plays allen. they set the edge to contain his scrambling and thus running screens becomes a chance for pick sixes Hence the concept of the middle screen. 2
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, fan_in_tx said: Hence the concept of the middle screen. There is often a spy there. 2
BarleyNY Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There is often a spy there. Yup. Not easy to run NFL legal screens when teams are playing the QB run/scramble/RPO. 1
Hardhatharry Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked a talent on offense perform better than it probably should have. Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. I hated Chan's screens they would work twice but since he had noodle arm Fitz he did them so much it was garbage. Daboll just needs WRs and TEs to catch the ball. Edited April 19, 2020 by Hardhatharry
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Get Singletary in space 2020. That would be amazing. I can see him out in space, signaling to the sideline: “Houston, we have a problem. I have made contact with a one CJ Spiller out here. No ball in sight. I repeat, no ball in sight.” 2
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 What an effective play and we barely see it. Not sure if Daboli doesn't know how to design it or if Allen can't learn how to execute it properly.
Phil The Thrill Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked a talent on offense perform better than it probably should have. Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. I hate to go here but.... how much does this have to do with a developing QB that struggled with accuracy and timing? I’m not sure if that is as much of an issue with Daboll as it is with Allen.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There is often a spy there. New England does have a remarkably talented scouting staff. Some might dare say their talents go beyond. ? 1
Buffalo716 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 I have already touched on this multiple times. Teams set the edge and try to not let Allen outside the pocket. Screens take advantage of teams that Rush heavily Other teams don't rush us heavily so screens aren't as effective because D ends are in their right spot The bills will have to get crafty . One possibility would be to fake a smoke screen to the right, while actually designing the screen back side to the left 2
Manther Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Bills need a better Daboll. Totally agree.
freddyjj Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 7 hours ago, First Round Bust said: TE over 60 years our top 10 for passing yards for TE were 1) the legendary Dave Costa 1967 with most yards..19 freaking effing 67 Paul Costa for the record. 4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Love Kmet... I agree about the Rudolph comparison, that is who I see as well. Can't block a lick. Plays like a WR not physical at all.
BuffaloMatt Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: When Chan Gailey was coordinator for the Bills they had a very strong screen game which helped a team that lacked talent on offense perform better than it probably should have. Brian Daboll’s screen game design is poor. He should look at what Gailey did to make screens successful. If Daboll could come up with a better screen game it would really help the Bills offense. Getting Devin Singletary in space where he can make defenders miss would really take advantage of his skill set. It also would help out Josh Allen’s short game and completion percentage. Great avatar! 1
MJS Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: What an effective play and we barely see it. Not sure if Daboli doesn't know how to design it or if Allen can't learn how to execute it properly. Screens are meant to counteract pass rush and blitzes. They don't work as well when defenders are playing contain and trying to hem in the QB / RB instead of full on rushing. If we want the screen game to be effective, we have to be better at the intermediate to long game.
Tesla03 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, aristocrat said: part of the reason is the way the defense plays allen. they set the edge to contain his scrambling and thus running screens becomes a chance for pick sixes then why is KC the one of the best screen play offenses in nfl history? Mahomes is just as dangerous as Allen with his legs. We don't do well with screens bc Daboll is a mediocre OC Edited April 19, 2020 by Tesla03 1
K-9 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 It’s far less a question of design that it is in the players and their execution of it.
fan_in_tx Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There is often a spy there. you have let your dline up field you have a center and 2 guards to neutralize the MLB and any down driving safeties. This is the essence of the screen play.. Chan even brought the slot receiver (spiller) back to the middle on occasion for this play.
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