Brandon Beane - Please Draft Offensive Playmakers

[maryland-bills-fan]

47 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

The odds of anyone in the 4th round or deeper making an impact in their rookie season are slim.

 

So that leaves 2 picks.    You want a WR4?  maybe.  Duke started the Houston playoff game, had some nice plays, blocked his ass off, has chemistry with Josh.  He's 6'3  225lbs and way ahead of any rookie as far as learning this QB and this offense.  Then there's Mckenzie who also will make the team as WR5 and still has blazing speed.   Assuming we have two picks that will contribute this year, not sure if it makes sense to gamble on a WR in the 2nd round who you hope will beat out our 4th WR which is doubtful.

 

I say if you want a productive offense, get a great offensive line and run game to balance out your passing weapons.  We already have two 1,000 yd receivers, a great slot guy and role players behind them, Singletary is top 12 at his position already.   

 

Watching the Houston game again, you'll see that we got caved in by their pass rush on critical passing downs. You could have Michael Thomas, DHop and Tyreek Hill as your WR's and it won't matter when your line is getting blown up.  We don't lack playmakers, we lack a good RT and a RB that can pass protect a little bigger than Singletary, but also still be a credible run threat so the defense doesn't know he's just in the game on passing downs. 

 

Beane was surprised by the solid play of his guards last year, but wanted to develop Cody who we picked high and moved up to get.  The Nseke/Ford split was great experience for the rookie, and he had some good games, but I believe you'll see RT drafted high for us this year, don't freak out if it happens, they're indirect playmakers.

how is Singletary at top 12 back?

[GreggTX]

We've probably lost as much or more than we've gained on defense despite all the FA money we had. We've literally done nothing for the offense outside of trading picks for Diggs. Our OL and DL have a long way to go. I don't think this roster is nearly as solid as many others do. Our best bet (after finding a franchise QB) is to build in the trenches.

[Thurman#1]

Brandon Beane, please draft the best players available. Please don't draft a QB early, but other than that do what's best for the long-term good of this team, please, and that's get the BPA.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

The measuring stick is the Chiefs and if the Bills are unable to score 35 points on a given Sunday, then they're just not good enough.

 

Defense is only going to get you so far against a team like that, unless you're hoping for injury or a bad day by Mahomes, who has only scored under 25 points just once since he became a starter.

 

 

The measuring stick isn't the Chiefs. If you do it that way, what you are aiming for will change every single year as different teams built different ways win the trophy. You're aiming at a moving target that way.

 

The measuring stick is the teams that have been consistently competing for a championship. Why? Because they've made it clear that's what their goal is. And with those teams (Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Packers ... maybe one or two more and maybe you can squeeze the Chiefs in there. But what you find about those Chiefs is that they've been good on offense for a while but only really competing for a championship this year when they finally got their defense among the best ones in the league.

 

What you find among all of them is that they have a damn good QB and that neither the defense nor the offense is bad. You want some balance. 

 

Oh, and the Chiefs scored 28.2 points a game. Arguing that the Bills have to be TD better each week or they're not good enough is ridiculous.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

how is Singletary at top 12 back?

 

A top twelve RB? How is he not?

 

6th highest RB YPA in the league among backs with 100 or more carries. Raise the standard up to 150 carries and he's 2nd highest. More, the backs that were higher played on the Niners (Mostert and Breida), Ravens (Edwards), Cardinals (Drake), Titans (Henry). All of those teams except the Cardinals have offensive lines that are conspicuously better than ours.

 

He was absolutely performing as a top 12 back in the NFL the last half of the season. You've made it plain you don't want to see that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Thurman#1

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Just reading between the lines of various Beane comments, it actually appears that RB is possibly the only skill position he will consider early in the draft. Other than RB, my reading of the tea leaves indicates #54 is likely to be a Dlineman, Olineman, CB or safety - in other words, all non-playmakers.

 

That said, it may all be a smoke screen and we might still see Beane go playmaker. Edit - T.E. is still possible, but I dont consider it likely after the Kroft restructure.

Trust me if Taylor or Dobbins are there near 54 he'll go after them. No doubt. Then maybe a diamond in the rough edge rusher in the 3rd and wr in the 4th. Then the remaining picks BPA. Sign an udfa punter and kicker to challenge Bojo and Hauschka. 

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, Chas56 said:

Although I think we could use upgrades at G, RT, TE, a big, change-of-pace RB, and a young WR, the old adage that defense wins championships holds true for me. We still need an edge rusher, a backup MLB, an OLB to match with Milano, a backup S and another CB.

We literally have NO ROOM for another OG on this team

[Hardhatharry]

11 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I actually wouldn't mind that at all especially if one of the RB's is a RB/FB type back.

I got mixed emotions on Clowney.  Big name and big money.........I'll leave that huge decision with Brandon.

You don't need a FB at all... 

[JoPoy88]

The complete disregard people have around here for people like john brown and singletary, not even mentioning the top 5 receiver we just nabbed...and start threads saying we need more “playmakers” makes me laugh. The Bills will go as far as Allen can take them. He’s got the talent around him now. We’ll see. Clown threads like this make me think some of you are trying to proactively build another excuse for Allen honestly.

Edited April 17, 2020 by JoPoy88

[OldTimer1960]

There are a lot of posts in several threads arguing that the Bills must draft draft a specific position because there is no opportunity for a rookie to make an impact this year at other positions.  

 

Particularly this year lacking a first round pick and sitting in the bottom 1/3 of each round, I think it is more important to focus on drafting the best player available (mostly) regardless of position whether there appears to be good starters at that position or not.  I think focusing on the idea that the rookies must have an impact this year could lead to reaching for a lesser player.

 

That being said, this draft does seem to be setting up such that there could very well be a situation where BPA at 54 and 86 could be a choice between WR and RB ("play makers").  I'm not opposed to the Bills drafting OL, DL, LB,, CB ar S, but I think pickings are going to be slimmer at those positions than at WR or RB.  For example, it is clear to me that the Bills could certainly use a young DE and long-term DEs are probably more of a premium position than RB or WR, but at least to my untrained scouting eye, I think taking a DE in round 2 likely means you are passing on a better prospect (maybe several) at other positions.

 

 

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

The complete disregard people have around here for people like john brown and singletary, not even mentioning the top 5 receiver we just nabbed...and start threads saying we need more “playmakers” makes me laugh. The Bills will go as far as Allen can take them. He’s got the talent around him now. We’ll see. Clown threads like this make me think some of you are trying to proactively build another excuse for Allen honestly.

Diggs-Brown-Beasley is a Top 10 WR trio, so to some extent, you’re correct, but this is also the deepest WR class in a long time and I doubt many here think McKenzie-Duke-Foster are who we want to see slide into that group should one of them miss any time.  
 

Duke is probably the guy I’d be most comfortable with, but he didn’t lock down that role when given the chance last year. 
 

We absolutely need another RB to pair with Singletary.  That’s just normal roster building.  
 

As far as OL goes, there are maybe 3 teams that can say they don’t have any needs on the Offensive Line.  I’ll never have an issue if we invest there, no matter who is at QB.  
 

You seem to think that we are going overboard in getting Josh Allen help, when in reality, this offseason is about getting him talent on offense that most others who were in the Playoffs already had.  

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by SCBills

[machine gun kelly]

Colorado, nice post. Agreed on another possession type WR, battering ram RB like Carson from Seattle, and an edge rusher would be nice.  If we had a better TE class, I’d say yes, but as someone else mentioned, next year’s class of TE’s is better so we’re probably going to live with what have this year.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Colorado, nice post. Agreed on another possession type WR, battering ram RB like Carson from Seattle, and an edge rusher would be nice.  If we had a better TE class, I’d say yes, but as someone else mentioned, next year’s class of TE’s is better so we’re probably going to live with what have this year.

nah it’s a BS thread. Or at the very least a BS title. This is not 2 years ago. We have playmakers on this team’s offense. Sure like literally any team in the league we’d all like more, but to disregard the things guys like Brown did last season is idiotic.

[aceman_16]

15 hours ago, Codyny13 said:

I’m starting to jones for Claypool at 54.....

I really want this kid. I enjoy his hometown (Abbotsford, Canada) for their airshow. I was there in '89 and saw actual Russian jets. It was pretty cool.

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

But what you find about those Chiefs is that they've been good on offense for a while but only really competing for a championship this year when they finally got their defense among the best ones in the league.

 

What you find among all of them is that they have a damn good QB and that neither the defense nor the offense is bad. You want some balance. 

 

Oh, and the Chiefs scored 28.2 points a game. Arguing that the Bills have to be TD better each week or they're not good enough is ridiculous.

 

The measuring stick is indeed the Chiefs.  Who are you kidding?  And they've been competing for championships since Pat Mahomes became the starter.  They were Dee Ford lining up Offside from 2 straight Super bowl Appearances and as long as Mahomes is there with some semblance of talent on offense, they're going to be the team to beat for years to come.

 

A team with an explosive offense like the Chiefs, aids the defense because teams know they can't sit back and hope to run the clock out, having only scored 17 or 20 points.  You have to outscore KC.

 

And I said the ABILITY to score.  I never said that it was mandatory that they score 35 every week.  How awful of a plan that must be, having a top tier offense. ?

[SoCal Deek]

The choice seems simple to me. If you don’t have a first round pick and if taking a running back in the first is considered a reach these days by the other 31 teams, then if one of the elite RBs is there at 54 you take him. What a stroke of opportunity! We certainly need one. Take one!

[falgobofu]

I don't disagree with the idea of focusing on the Offense, not only for this year but for the future. It seems like McBeane likes big athletes an I would love to see them get Claypoole in the second then Dillon in the 3rd. This would give us a first round talent in the second, I believe in most drafts Claypoole could be a WR GM's would be considering in the first most years. This draft is loaded with WR and the talents he has are something you are born with, this is the year to take a high potential WR and let him learn. He is a stud on special teams and fits the mold of big athlete. Double down on size and get Dillon in the 3rd would be the perfect start to the draft IMO. 

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

The complete disregard people have around here for people like john brown and singletary, not even mentioning the top 5 receiver we just nabbed...and start threads saying we need more “playmakers” makes me laugh. The Bills will go as far as Allen can take them. He’s got the talent around him now. We’ll see. Clown threads like this make me think some of you are trying to proactively build another excuse for Allen honestly.

 

Well Beane is the one who said "we need more touchdown makers or play makers".  It is not laughable to talk about that direction.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Only spot on offense open on offense a rookie could contribute to right away is RB2.  Other than that they won’t see near the playing time an RB2 would 

 

I always look at what Beane and Mcdermott doing on the offensive line as an open competition - probably only the left side is locked up.  Feliciano's either starting RG or backup C/G.  ford/nsekhe/williams... They just signed a guy... could easily see them drafting someone who they think can push bates off the 53, or convince them to trade nsekhe or williams.  

 

We don't have an elite offensive line - keep tweaking it til you can get there.  Dawkins is starter this year - and they likely bring him back longterm... However he isn't elite, and not taking some chances at the position makes it hard to find someone who is elite.

 

Things that need most improvement on the offense:

 

Short yardage plays - get more creative than just QB sweeps on 3rd and 2.  Lots of drive killers there.  18 passes vs 44 runs on 3rd/4th and short.

 

Then 2nd/3rd and long passing.  Allen has to stop holding the ball, sometimes its not there.  Conventional QB rating of 74.6 on 2nd and 3rd and long, with a sack rate of 10.4%.  Thats like Blaine Gabbert...  I know there are some scrambles there that should somehow factor in on the sack rate, but i calculated it the same way (sacks/(sacks+pass attempts).  A lot of the improvement here is on Allen. 

 

The offensive line also had 44 total penalties - these are drive killers too (24 false starts and 20 holding penalties).  The ravens had 23 total... the Chiefs had 24 total... you get the idea.  20 extra times that our offense shot themselves in the foot. Over the course of 150-170 possessions... thats a lot.  

Edited April 17, 2020 by dneveu

[SCBills]

50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The choice seems simple to me. If you don’t have a first round pick and if taking a running back in the first is considered a reach these days by the other 31 teams, then if one of the elite RBs is there at 54 you take him. What a stroke of opportunity! We certainly need one. Take one!

I go back and forth on RB at 54.  I don’t love the idea in a vacuum, but then realize that an elite talent will be available at that position when we draft, we do play in Buffalo and a strong running game will be important later in the season. ...or at least the ability to run.  
 

The idea of say, Taylor/Singletary is pretty filthy.