Statistical data vs emotion -

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I would argue that the social distancing policies that the public health authorities have recommended have been the most significant reason we have only 50k deaths vs.  many more.  I think the public health experts would tell you that.

 

And yet, we have Sweden to hold up and say, hmmm... maybe not. 

[TH3]

31 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because the data that says it will help get us back to normal is incomplete and wearing a mask is not returning to normalcy, it's a deviation from it to the absurd.  

 

And, in this country, we have a stubborn streak of enjoying freedom in the face of tyranny. 

 

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Why not a burka?  I always want my government mandating what I need to wear to go out in public.

 

 

Statistical data vs emotion......you guys are jokes

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I would argue that the social distancing policies that the public health authorities have recommended have been the most significant reason we have only 50k deaths vs.  many more.  I think the public health experts would tell you that.

It has kept numbers down for now, but we also know that the virus is going to be around. Waiting for things to be “ safe” isn’t an option. Continued social distancing practices of some type and even continued self isolation by choice for some would be best going forward imo. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, TH3 said:

 

 

Statistical data vs emotion......you guys are jokes

 

Got another fake story to push this morning about fish tank cleaners? Or Trump/Russia? 

 

Or nah? 

 

 

 

It never gets old laughing at NPCs. 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And yet, we have Sweden to hold up and say, hmmm... maybe not. 

My reading of how Sweden has its lower rates is that the population there has Ben very good at voluntarily practicing social distancing guidelines.  Saw an interview with their Deputy Prime Minister to that effect.  

 

Again I’d live to see our communities do that. But they’re not.  

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It has kept numbers down for now, but we also know that the virus is going to be around. Waiting for things to be “ safe” isn’t an option. Continued social distancing practices of some type and even continued self isolation by choice for some would be best going forward imo. 

I agree.  Clearly if you are in a high risk group you’d want to be more cautious.

[Commsvet11]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It has kept numbers down for now, but we also know that the virus is going to be around. Waiting for things to be “ safe” isn’t an option. Continued social distancing practices of some type and even continued self isolation by choice for some would be best going forward imo. 

This is a key point.

 

This isn’t just going to go away. It is part of lives now. You can hope for a vaccine, but we have a population of people who don’t even bother taking a flu shot. 
 

It was a valiant effort, but sooner or later, just like the flu, we are all going to be infected. 
 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Commsvet11 said:

This is a key point.

 

This isn’t just going to go away. It is part of lives now. You can hope for a vaccine, but we have a population of people who don’t even bother taking a flu shot. 
 

It was a valiant effort, but sooner or later, just like the flu, we are all going to be infected. 
 

 

Yep, and there was probably no keeping it out. Which state had the first confirmed case in and why didn’t the governor lockdown and contact trace/ test ? Probably a lost cause by that time but who knows ? A lot of blame shifting going on and refusal to admit the reality that this virus isn’t going anywhere. 

[Big Gun]

Wasn't the whole point of the restrictions per Cuomo to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals? That has happened on both accounts, and can be argued here in WNY that the hospitals were never overwhelmed. Instead of opening things up, he mandates masks, yeah Cuomos going to have a hard time being reelected IMO. Guy is a clown!

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, pop gun said:

Wasn't the whole point of the restrictions per Cuomo to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals? That has happened on both accounts, and can be argued here in WNY that the hospitals were never overwhelmed. Instead of opening things up, he mandates masks, yeah Cuomos going to have a hard time being reelected IMO. Guy is a clown!

Yep, and the germ infested mass transit system must stay open . Meanwhile, golfers must walk the course because having one person per cart ( disinfected after every round) isn’t safe. The man is an idiot ! 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Wasn't the whole point of the restrictions per Cuomo to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals? That has happened on both accounts, and can be argued here in WNY that the hospitals were never overwhelmed. Instead of opening things up, he mandates masks, yeah Cuomos going to have a hard time being reelected IMO. Guy is a clown!

He will win easily. He'd beat Trump in a national race. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

While that’s not spread casually ( as we know) I agree. Polio has been brought up in some threads. I wasn’t around during the time of Polio , but I’m pretty certain there were sporting events, restaurants, bars etc. Current generations have largely been shielded from infectious illnesses, and that seems to have led to mindless panic and governmental overreach in some places. 

I don’t blame anyone in charge at any level for the initial reaction. In fact I think many took some pretty brave steps to recommend some very bold steps...BUT....we now have the largest clinical study in human history! We’ve conducted a 60 day study with 330 MILLION people and what we’ve learned is that this virus represents an almost ZERO lethal threat to people under 60 years old. Remember, we shut everyone and everybody down at the same time, so the SCIENTIFIC data results are now conclusive. While we still don’t know whether it was social distancing or some other factor that flattened the curve, we do KNOW that younger people are not at risk of dying from this particular virus. So let’s tell seniors to stay home and tell everyone else to ‘have a great day and resume your normal lives with some extra precautions for hygiene for awhile”.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I don’t blame anyone in charge at any level for the initial reaction. In fact I think many took some pretty brave steps to recommend some very bold steps...BUT....we now have the largest clinical study in human history! We’ve conducted a 60 day study with 330 MILLION people and what we’ve learned is that this virus represents an almost ZERO lethal threat to people under 60 years old. Remember, we shut everyone and everybody down at the same time, so the SCIENTIFIC data results are now conclusive. While we still don’t know whether it was social distancing or some other factor that flattened the curve, we do KNOW that younger people are not at risk of dying from this particular virus. So let’s tell seniors to stay home and tell everyone else to ‘have a great day and resume your normal lives with some extra precautions for hygiene for awhile”.

Is that right? 

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He will win easily. He'd beat Trump in a national race. 

 

 

The man who said America wasn’t “ that great” ? I don’t believe he’d win, but a very sad situation if he did. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Is that right? 

Yes...we do KNOW this. The data proves it. If you’d turn off CNN for one second, and google the CDC’s own website you can see the results for yourself. Or...you can keep spreading hysteria and misinformation. Your choice.

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Wasn't the whole point of the restrictions per Cuomo to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals? That has happened on both accounts, and can be argued here in WNY that the hospitals were never overwhelmed. Instead of opening things up, he mandates masks, yeah Cuomos going to have a hard time being reelected IMO. Guy is a clown!

If he runs again, he will win in a walk.

There are people who have enjoyed being told what to do, and who to obey. The over 70 crowd (who get a government check and can afford to stay home) seem to be most impressed with the stay at home orders, and appear to be the least willing to open up.
 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Is that right? 

There is some risk. It’s definitely  not impossible ; there are documented cases. The larger point of his post is correct, though. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Yes...we do KNOW this. The data proves it. If you’d turn off CNN for one second, and google the CDC’s own website you can see the results for yourself. Or...you can keep spreading hysteria and misinformation. Your choice.

Link 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Link 

Geez...are you so lame you can’t use Google? My god man! 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

If he runs again, he will win in a walk.

There are people who have enjoyed being told what to do, and who to obey. The over 70 crowd (who get a government check and can afford to stay home) seem to be most impressed with the stay at home orders, and appear to be the least willing to open up.
 

Oh he’ll win another term as Governor, I believe . Mostly due to the reasons you stated. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Geez...are you so lame you can’t use Google? My god man! 

Lol, you made the post, back it up. Zero risk? That sounds like BS