Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: "red flags"! "fumbles lost"! all went.... poof. It takes minutes to research this stuff, doc. Do so first. Just trying to help. No need to even do research: 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Singletary fumbled nearly 4% of his carries last season---and this is a guy who didn't have a ton or carries (151). Only 1 RB in the NFL had more fumbles last year: Henry had 5....over 303 carries. Plus there's Big 10 vs "CUSA". 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Anyway, much is made about RBs and fumbles.
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: No . absolutely not. and I like the Kid. But he a somewhat of a project to gain an all around game. I say no for another reason as well. Since we no longer have 1st round pick ? Gotta nail this one, maybe even drop out of 54 if an offer arrives and they have their eye on someone dropping for them. i think RB might be better found a bit later in the with very good value and can play rookie season. still keep Yeldon as insurance. Allen need either a great Pass blocking RB or one who can catch. Devin can run the ball just fine. If true ? Then yes that sounds more like what Bills could use : ) RECEIVING: Minimum 25 passes, 50 players ranked Passes includes all passes to this receiver, complete and incomplete. Catch Rate is the percentage of passes completed to this receiver. Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards ▴ EYds TD Catch Rate FUM C.McCaffrey CAR 386 1 351 2 34.8% 4 30.4% 142 1,005 1,365 4 82% 0 A.Ekeler LAC 320 2 359 1 38.8% 3 45.1% 108 993 1,093 8 85% 2 J.White NE 142 5 179 3 14.8% 14 22.4% 95 645 647 5 76% 0 A.Kamara NO 83 13 44 22 1.6% 23 -5.7% 97 533 558 1 84% 1 L.Fournette JAX -17 42 -28 45 -17.0% 42 -19.1% 101 524 349 0 76% 1 D.Cook MIN 144 4 138 5 29.2% 5 27.5% 63 519 535 0 84% 1 M.Sanders PHI 121 7 134 6 20.0% 12 23.7% 63 509 504 3 79% 0 A.Jones GB 35 24 54 20 -5.1% 29 -0.5% 68 474 359 3 72% 1 L.Bell NYJ 3 39 32 25 -13.2% 39 -6.5% 78 461 315 1 85% 1 T.Cohen CHI -36 45 -51 46 -20.1% 43 -22.7% 104 456 337 3 76% 1 S.Barkley NYG -37 46 -25 44 -22.8% 45 -19.9% 73 438 218 2 71% 1 E.Elliott DAL 99 10 87 12 12.6% 16 9.3% 71 420 474 2 76% 0 D.Freeman ATL 51 19 55 18 -0.9% 25 0.1% 70 410 388 4 84% 1 Du.Johnson HOU 125 6 114 7 24.6% 9 21.5% 62 410 481 3 71% 0 C.Thompson WAS 34 25 20 31 -2.1% 26 -7.0% 58 378 280 0 72% 1 Da.Johnson ARI 114 8 111 8 29.2% 6 28.0% 47 370 426 4 77% 1 K.Drake 2TM 23 29 -25 43 -7.9% 33 -20.1% 68 345 331 0 74% 0 J.Richard OAK 39 21 54 19 2.7% 22 8.6% 43 323 252 0 84% 1 N.Hines IND -24 43 -1 38 -21.5% 44 -14.2% 58 320 174 0 76% 1 R.Jones TB 47 20 58 17 9.2% 17 14.5% 40 309 242 0 78% 1 J.Samuels PIT 17 33 23 30 -8.9% 35 -7.2% 57 305 288 1 82% 1 M.Gordon LAC 19 31 15 34 -7.3% 32 -8.8% 55 296 246 1 76% 1 D.Washington OAK 74 15 76 15 21.1% 11 22.3% 41 292 303 0 88% 0 J.Mixon CIN 86 12 80 13 19.3% 13 17.2% 45 287 363 3 78% 0 D.Ogunbowale TB 31 26 16 32 -2.9% 27 -8.3% 46 286 267 0 76% 1 K.Hunt CLE 71 16 80 14 14.2% 15 18.1% 44 285 325 1 84% 0 R.Burkhead NE 37 23 27 28 4.0% 21 -0.8% 38 279 227 0 71% 1 N.Chubb CLE -4 41 10 35 -15.3% 41 -10.0% 49 278 174 0 73% 1 C.Carson SEA 57 18 39 23 8.9% 18 1.6% 47 266 295 2 79% 1 R.Freeman DEN 10 36 15 33 -10.1% 36 -8.3% 50 256 208 1 86% 0 J.Williams GB 103 9 103 10 27.4% 8 27.5% 45 253 391 5 87% 0 J.Conner PIT 75 14 93 11 21.2% 10 29.8% 38 251 308 3 89% 0 M.Ingram BAL 145 3 153 4 74.6% 1 79.1% 29 247 418 5 90% 0 K.Juszczyk SF 98 11 108 9 47.6% 2 53.5% 24 239 317 1 83% 0 L.Murray NO 19 32 24 29 -5.6% 31 -3.4% 43 235 202 1 79% 0 G.Bernard CIN -55 49 -58 49 -38.5% 48 -40.0% 43 234 46 0 70% 2 J.D.McKissic DET 12 35 -2 39 -8.2% 34 -14.6% 42 233 176 1 81% 0 Dam.Williams KC 24 28 34 24 -3.7% 28 0.7% 37 213 216 2 81% 0 T.Gurley LAR 0 40 -20 42 -13.8% 40 -21.0% 49 207 197 2 63% 0 P.Laird MIA 39 22 51 21 8.6% 19 15.4% 30 204 205 0 77% 0 B.Scott PHI 67 17 62 16 29.0% 7 25.9% 26 204 250 0 92% 1 P.Lindsay DEN -69 50 -57 48 -39.7% 49 -35.0% 48 196 48 0 73% 0 D.Singletary BUF -47 48 -53 47 -35.2% 47 -37.7% 41 194 61 2 71% 0 D.Montgomery CHI 15 34 8 36 -5.5% 30 -9.3% 35 185 164 1 71% 0 L.McCoy KC -34 44 -15 41 -32.2% 46 -22.0% 35 181 63 1 82% 1 T.Coleman SF 23 30 28 27 0.0% 24 2.7% 30 180 168 1 70% 0 J.Jacobs OAK 28 27 31 26 4.6% 20 6.6% 27 166 166 0 74% 0 D.Lewis TEN 3 38 -8 40 -11.9% 38 -19.0% 32 164 115 1 78% 0 C.J.Ham MIN 6 37 2 37 -10.1% 37 -12.5% 26 149 134 1 65% 0 T.Johnson DET -45 47 -60 50 -40.2% 50 -48.8% 31 109 29 0 77% 1 Here is one valid source for evaluating Singletary as a running back receive. I have sorted this chart by total yards receiving. Singletary is WAY down the list. He is 47th in total yards among NFL running backs. (If I counted right) There are all sorts of bells and whistles and 39 term mathematical expressions that people make up to evaluate players. Somehow, I think that total yards and/or total TD's are the best ones. This "football outsiders" site also has its own complicated ranking of RB's as receivers and Singletary ranks #48 there. Come on. If Singletary is going to be classified as a "good receiver" shouldn't he be at least in the top 16? Now you can make all sorts of excuses, "well the Bills didn't pass him the ball very much because { x y z q a t }. I say that they didn't do what didn't work very well. Singletary is NOT a top running back. Here is the same source ranking running backs by their criteria. RUSHING: Minimum 100 rushes, 45 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk ▾ YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Runs Yards EYds TD FUM Suc Rate Rk E.Elliott DAL 324 1 271 1 16.5% 4 12.4% 301 1,358 1,637 12 3 56% 4 C.McCaffrey CAR 278 2 190 6 14.9% 5 7.5% 287 1,387 1,468 15 1 47% 28 M.Ingram BAL 257 3 249 3 19.8% 2 19.0% 202 1,018 1,194 10 2 60% 1 A.Jones GB 207 4 226 4 12.0% 7 13.8% 236 1,091 1,202 16 2 56% 5 K.Drake 2TM 202 5 176 8 19.7% 3 16.0% 170 817 942 8 2 51% 16 D.Henry TEN 192 6 251 2 6.7% 11 11.4% 303 1,542 1,391 16 5 50% 17 R.Mostert SF 191 7 188 7 26.8% 1 26.3% 137 772 775 8 1 53% 9 D.Cook MIN 183 8 191 5 9.3% 10 10.1% 250 1,135 1,178 13 3 49% 23 N.Chubb CLE 162 9 99 15 4.5% 12 -0.6% 298 1,493 1,324 8 2 45% 37 C.Carson SEA 130 10 96 16 1.9% 16 -0.8% 278 1,235 1,278 7 6 57% 3 G.Edwards BAL 126 11 124 12 11.8% 8 11.5% 133 710 736 2 2 56% 6 J.Jacobs OAK 126 12 171 9 3.5% 14 7.9% 242 1,152 1,096 7 1 51% 14 L.Murray NO 125 13 118 13 10.7% 9 9.6% 146 637 760 5 0 60% 2 J.Howard PHI 113 14 105 14 14.2% 6 12.7% 119 525 608 6 0 53% 8 M.Mack IND 102 15 155 10 1.0% 18 5.8% 247 1,091 1,087 8 0 52% 10 P.Lindsay DEN 94 16 133 11 1.9% 17 6.2% 224 1,011 928 7 0 50% 19 J.Mixon CIN 90 17 74 18 -0.9% 20 -2.3% 278 1,137 1,156 5 0 46% 30 S.Barkley NYG 84 18 29 26 0.4% 19 -5.5% 217 1,003 933 6 0 44% 38 A.Kamara NO 81 19 56 23 3.1% 15 -0.5% 171 802 729 5 3 52% 12 D.Singletary BUF 75 20 65 19 3.7% 13 2.1% 151 775 647 2 4 50% 21 He comes out as #20. I would like to see top 12 or top 8. Here is that same chart, but sorted by total yards gained rushing. Yes, Singletary missed 4 games so if you project his 12 games to 16 games, then he would have about 1,000 yards. Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Runs Yards ▴ EYds TD FUM Suc Rate Rk D.Henry TEN 192 6 251 2 6.7% 11 11.4% 303 1,542 1,391 16 5 50% 17 N.Chubb CLE 162 9 99 15 4.5% 12 -0.6% 298 1,493 1,324 8 2 45% 37 C.McCaffrey CAR 278 2 190 6 14.9% 5 7.5% 287 1,387 1,468 15 1 47% 28 E.Elliott DAL 324 1 271 1 16.5% 4 12.4% 301 1,358 1,637 12 3 56% 4 C.Carson SEA 130 10 96 16 1.9% 16 -0.8% 278 1,235 1,278 7 6 57% 3 L.Fournette JAX 0 34 -7 39 -8.6% 34 -9.2% 265 1,152 980 3 0 42% 39 J.Jacobs OAK 126 12 171 9 3.5% 14 7.9% 242 1,152 1,096 7 1 51% 14 J.Mixon CIN 90 17 74 18 -0.9% 20 -2.3% 278 1,137 1,156 5 0 46% 30 D.Cook MIN 183 8 191 5 9.3% 10 10.1% 250 1,135 1,178 13 3 49% 23 M.Mack IND 102 15 155 10 1.0% 18 5.8% 247 1,091 1,087 8 0 52% 10 A.Jones GB 207 4 226 4 12.0% 7 13.8% 236 1,091 1,202 16 2 56% 5 C.Hyde HOU 54 22 90 17 -3.3% 26 0.2% 245 1,086 968 6 4 52% 13 M.Ingram BAL 257 3 249 3 19.8% 2 19.0% 202 1,018 1,194 10 2 60% 1 P.Lindsay DEN 94 16 133 11 1.9% 17 6.2% 224 1,011 928 7 0 50% 19 S.Barkley NYG 84 18 29 26 0.4% 19 -5.5% 217 1,003 933 6 0 44% 38 S.Michel NE 23 28 1 37 -6.4% 29 -8.5% 247 912 953 7 2 49% 22 A.Peterson WAS 39 24 57 21 -4.1% 27 -1.9% 211 900 799 5 2 47% 27 D.Montgomery CHI -46 42 -41 41 -13.0% 40 -12.5% 242 889 820 6 2 46% 29 T.Gurley LAR 58 21 56 22 -2.4% 25 -2.7% 223 858 907 12 3 48% 26 M.Sanders PHI 14 30 9 35 -6.6% 30 -7.3% 179 818 662 3 2 45% 34 K.Drake 2TM 202 5 176 8 19.7% 3 16.0% 170 817 942 8 2 51% 16 A.Kamara NO 81 19 56 23 3.1% 15 -0.5% 171 802 729 5 3 52% 12 L.Bell NYJ -76 44 -54 43 -16.6% 44 -14.3% 246 790 695 3 0 42% 40 D.Singletary BUF 75 20 65 19 3.7% 13 2.1% 151 775 647 2 4 50% 2 Over 16 games he would be about # 12 to #15, but realize that I have not similarly adjusted the other players for playing all 16 games., so it is likely that he is, at best, in the middle of the pack, lets say #16. (By the way, he is undersized as a running back, so getting hit by bigger players and getting injured is ALSO part of evaluating what he brings to the team. ) Singletary doesn't carry the ball in short yardage situations. Allen has half the rushing yards of Singletary. Singletary does not run sweeps around the end very often or well. (hence the jet sweep with a WR carrying is used to make the defense defend the edge). Singletary does not set out wide and play as a wide receiver to create mismatches or pressure the defensive backs into single coverage on a prime WR. He has his limitations, and is useful but we could use an upgrade. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019 Edited April 19, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan 1
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 12 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Gesh. If you are a running back in the Big Ten and the major weapon, you are getting gang tackled by many nfl calibre players and the second guy is trying to strip the ball. Singletary was playing against Stony Brook, Wagner and Bethune-Cookman. There have not been many nfl level players from these small schools. Taylor will be getting gang-tackled by actual NFL players, not just some NFL calibre ones. And they'll do the same thing to him that players in college did. I'm not sure how you logically claim that a guy with fumbling problems in college will magically improve in the NFL (well, except for "I doubt that will be the Bills misfortune to draft 2 such guys 2 years in a row"). As for Singletary, college is over. Last year he averaged 5.1 YPC against actual NFL players. He fumbled more than he did in college and hopefully he'll work on it, but I don't remember anyone talking about it until WEO brought it up. But as WEO finally "came around to," "much is made of RBs and fumbles." The Bills don't need a guy to carry it 300 times, much less a 1-dimensional guy who doesn't like to block. They just one to share the load. Which can be gotten in the later rounds.
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 Why use high draft picks at RB in back to back years, when The Bills could use quality youth at many other positions? 1
SoCal Deek Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: Why use high draft picks at RB in back to back years, when The Bills could use quality youth at many other positions? Probably because we have ZERO depth at running back! And your young QB really needs a good running game to lean on. 1
Mr. WEO Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 12 hours ago, Doc said: No need to even do research: I stand by my statement doc. Just pointing out that his (overstated by you) fumble rate is lower than Singletary's was last year. The comparison was to show you your erroneous conclusion. So since the Bills staff isn't worried about the drops of the current leading fumbler in the NFL, they won't be as concerned as you are about a guy who was a workhorse in college. That's what is being discussed here. I don't think the Bills FO is thinking that his fumble rate will double to Singletary's as a rookie when they are evaluating Taylor. I don't think they think the way you do. lol. 1
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: I stand by my statement doc. Just pointing out that his (overstated by you) fumble rate is lower than Singletary's was last year. The comparison was to show you your erroneous conclusion. So since the Bills staff isn't worried about the drops of the current leading fumbler in the NFL, they won't be as concerned as you are about a guy who was a workhorse in college. That's what is being discussed here. I don't think the Bills FO is thinking that his fumble rate will double to Singletary's as a rookie when they are evaluating Taylor. I don't think they think the way you do. lol. The FO doesn't think a guy with fumbling problems against lesser competition in college has a high likelihood of having issues in the pros? LOL! Good one. And where do you get double? Taylor fumbled once for every 54 touches. Last year Singletary fumbled once for every 45 touches. Never mind, again, Taylor is 1-dimensional and doesn't like to block. The pick is better used elsewhere and they can get a RB to split carries with Singletary in a later round.
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: Why use high draft picks at RB in back to back years, when The Bills could use quality youth at many other positions? I think with #54 we can get an improvement on Singletary. The new running back would also be a young player. He would be a young player who actually has the ball in his hands and is the primary person involved in about 10 to 40 % of our offensive plays. That is more valuable than a depth player at a different position. 36 minutes ago, Doc said: The FO doesn't think a guy with fumbling problems against lesser competition in college has a high likelihood of having issues in the pros? LOL! Good one. And where do you get double? Taylor fumbled once for every 54 touches. Last year Singletary fumbled once for every 45 touches. Never mind, again, Taylor is 1-dimensional and doesn't like to block. The pick is better used elsewhere and they can get a RB to split carries with Singletary in a later round. I don't know where this "doesn't like to block" comes from. Most likely it is somebody's early statement that has been repeated and repeated by the experts to becomea "truth". One dimensional? He runs inside and outside, breaks away and gets a hell of a lot of yardage rushing. He wasn't asked to catch passes because teams would stack up against him running. Most "bell cow" college running backs are not used in college like a TE lined up in the backfield. If they carry 300 times a year, the coaches expect them to just get in the way and save their energy and injury risk for running and receiving which is where they contribute the most to the team. Edited April 19, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 Anyway, I expect Taylor to be gone well before #54, and not be available even with a trade up.
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: I think with #54 we can get an improvement on Singletary. The new running back would also be a young player. He would be a young player who actually has the ball in his hands and is the primary person involved in about 10 to 40 % of our offensive plays. That is more valuable than a depth player at a different position. I don't know where this "doesn't like to block" comes from. Most likely it is somebody's early statement that has been repeated and repeated by the experts to becomea "truth". Most "bell cow" college running backs are not used in college like a TE lined up in the backfield. If they carry 300 times a year, the coaches expect them to just get in the way and save their energy and injury risk for running and receiving which is where they contribute the most to the team. Just what I've read. And like it or not, with his fumbling issues in college, he'll be a target at the NFL level. I'm not sure what you don't like about DS, considering he averaged 5.1 YPC with the 15th ranked (FO) run-blocking O-line. I'd rather look for a complementary back in the later rounds. And if he proves to be better, great. Edited April 19, 2020 by Doc
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Just what I've read. And I'm not sure what you don't like about DS, considering he averaged 5.1 YPC with the 15th ranked (FO) run-blocking O-line. I'd rather look for a complementary back in the later rounds. And if he proves to be better, great. What I think we are lacking with DS are: he is not a break-away long TD threat he is not fast enough to beat people to the edge he is not productive in the passing game he scares no one if he lines up as a WR he is not used in short yard attempts There are many specs to evaluate players. YPC is one but you have to consider when those yards were gained. 15 yard running plays on 3rd and 25, just get you better punting positions. 40 yards of rushing between the twenty yard lines is not as valuable as 15 yards from the 14. We can improve the team the most by getting a better runner and would have a very solid RB situation. The 3rd round pick would give us something like the 83rd best player this year to carry the ball between 10 and 45% of our offensive plays. 2
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: What I think we are lacking with DS are: he is not a break-away long TD threat he is not fast enough to beat people to the edge he is not productive in the passing game he scares no one if he lines up as a WR he is not used in short yard attempts There are many specs to evaluate players. YPC is one but you have to consider when those yards were gained. 15 yard running plays on 3rd and 25, just get you better punting positions. 40 yards of rushing between the twenty yard lines is not as valuable as 15 yards from the 14. We can improve the team the most by getting a better runner and would have a very solid RB situation. The 3rd round pick would give us something like the 83rd best player this year to carry the ball between 10 and 45% of our offensive plays. I don't think breakaway speed is the be-all-end-all. I'd rather a guy consistently get yards than break of a huge-gainer here or there to pad YPC. As for the YPC, he had 5 runs on 3rd and 10+, for 20 yards. Those actually brought his average down. And he had 29 receptions playing 50% of the offensive snaps. While Josh didn't throw a ton. Edited April 19, 2020 by Doc
Mr. WEO Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: The FO doesn't think a guy with fumbling problems against lesser competition in college has a high likelihood of having issues in the pros? LOL! Good one. And where do you get double? Taylor fumbled once for every 54 touches. Last year Singletary fumbled once for every 45 touches. Never mind, again, Taylor is 1-dimensional and doesn't like to block. The pick is better used elsewhere and they can get a RB to split carries with Singletary in a later round. Rushing fumble rate. 1.9% vs 3.8%. If you want to add in his receiving data, best to include his 10% drop rate. Top 10 in NFL. If the Bills don't like Taylor, it won't because he's had 10 fumbles over 630 carries the past 2 years. It's just not that high. Singletary isn't felt by the staff to be a workhorse, for whatever reason, as he was used pretty sparingly. They need another more physical guy to handle the load of a full season. If he drops it 2% of the time, no one will care.
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 3:57 PM, FireChans said: My pick for the 2nd round is Joe Burrow. Think of the value! One unnamed exec said that Burrow is the perfect prospect for round 2-3. Great player but he has a week arm and a short period of college success.
FireChans Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: One unnamed exec said that Burrow is the perfect prospect for round 2-3. Great player but he has a week arm and a short period of college success. Lol
3rdand12 Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 19 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Gesh. If you are a running back in the Big Ten and the major weapon, you are getting gang tackled by many nfl calibre players and the second guy is trying to strip the ball. Singletary was playing against Stony Brook, Wagner and Bethune-Cookman. There have not been many nfl level players from these small schools. Fred Jackson ? : )
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Rushing fumble rate. 1.9% vs 3.8%. If you want to add in his receiving data, best to include his 10% drop rate. Top 10 in NFL. If the Bills don't like Taylor, it won't because he's had 10 fumbles over 630 carries the past 2 years. It's just not that high. Singletary isn't felt by the staff to be a workhorse, for whatever reason, as he was used pretty sparingly. They need another more physical guy to handle the load of a full season. If he drops it 2% of the time, no one will care. You can also fumble after a reception. And do we have stats on Taylor's drop rate? No, fumbles won't be the sole reason they don't take Taylor, but it will factor heavily in their decision. Despite the "much is made about RBs and fumbles," coaches absolutely hate it when players fumble. Singletary didn't have a history of it in college and they no doubt told him to work on it after last season. If he had a problem and they took him, you might have an argument that they don't care. Teams will overlook Taylor's fumbles because of his his production. But the reality is that Wisconsin RBs look like studs in college and rarely become studs in the pros. And Taylor struggled against good defenses. Teams are going RB by committee so they won't be looking to add a workhorse anyway. Taylor might end up being a stud. I just don't see spending 54, much less moving up, for him. Edited April 19, 2020 by Doc
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Doc said: You can also fumble after a reception. And do we have stats on Taylor's drop rate? No, fumbles won't be the sole reason they don't take Taylor, but it will factor heavily in their decision. Despite the "much is made about RBs and fumbles," coaches absolutely hate it when players fumble. Singletary didn't have a history of it in college and they no doubt told him to work on it after last season. If he had a problem and they took him, you might have an argument that they don't care. Teams will overlook Taylor's fumbles because of his his production. But the reality is that Wisconsin RBs look like studs in college and rarely become studs in the pros. And Taylor struggled against good defenses. Teams are going RB by committee so they won't be looking to add a workhorse anyway. Taylor might end up being a stud. I just don't see spending 54, much less moving up, for him. OK. But..... Bean did not say that he wanted some quality depth that could take over a starting position in a year or two . Beane has said that he wants a "touchdown maker"..That is not an offensive lineman or defensive end. It is a skill position. We just "drafted" a#1 WR and not are set at #1, #2 and slot WR. What position could give us a starter and "touchdown maker" at #54? This isn't rocket science.
Doc Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: OK. But..... Bean did not say that he wanted some quality depth that could take over a starting position in a year or two . Beane has said that he wants a "touchdown maker"..That is not an offensive lineman or defensive end. It is a skill position. We just "drafted" a#1 WR and not are set at #1, #2 and slot WR. What position could give us a starter and "touchdown maker" at #54? This isn't rocket science. Is reading "rocket science"? How many times have I said they should draft a RB, just not at 54? That means drafting a guy to split carries with DS (who I expect to be here at least for the next 3 years), and ideally one whose skills complement DS's. Taylor is viewed as more of a workhorse. Edited April 19, 2020 by Doc
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Doc said: Is reading "rocket science"? How many times have I said they should draft a RB, just not at 54? That means drafting a guy to split carries with DS (who I expect to be here at least for the next 3 years), and ideally one whose skills complement DS's. Taylor is viewed as more of a workhorse. The hole in the present roster is that we need another running back. At 54, we can get a running back who will probably be an upgrade from Singletary. How is that a bad idea?
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