Why not a Free Agent RB2?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Get young at RB, Edge, and LB.  Athleticism trumps experience for those positions.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

it'll be both, but they'll wait until they can do their own medicals on the vet

[Ethan in Cleveland]

47 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Your argument is grossly flawed.  You are comparing players at positions who play way longer into their careers (including guys into their 40’s as you have multiple on your list) at high levels than RBs.  And some of these are also utterly ridiculous like Farve who was a second round pick who never saw the field as a rookie and traded after his rookie season to GB where he essentially started his career to argue aging veteran RBs could do the same.  Lmao.  

Sorry but nothing you wrote actually makes a case for an aging retread Veteran RB.  Even one of the few RBs you named, Priest Holmes was in his prime and had been solid for a lesser Ravens team before breaking out for KC.  

Pretty sure he meant Favre in NY and Minnesota where he continued to play great football.  The fact you didn't get that is a bit perplexing.

 

 

[Iamkrgr]

Carlos Hyde would be a solid add of cheap. Ideally we’d go in to camp with 3 solid RBs. Someone always gets hurt throughout the year and it would be nice to not have to rely on a Taiwan Jones or TJ Yeldon to take snaps. 
 

Singletary

Hyde

Akers/Moss 

 

Would be a pretty solid group. 

[Inigo Montoya]

3 minutes ago, Iamkrgr said:

Carlos Hyde would be a solid add of cheap. Ideally we’d go in to camp with 3 solid RBs. Someone always gets hurt throughout the year and it would be nice to not have to rely on a Taiwan Jones or TJ Yeldon to take snaps. 
 

Singletary

Hyde

Akers/Moss 

 

Would be a pretty solid group. 

 

Two tears ago we had an offense bereft of talent.  Fast forward to today and we have arguably the best WR trio in the League.  With Singletary, Hyde, and Akers we would have a upper tier RB room too.

 

Beane the Wizard

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I mean - the remaining free agent options are in limbo.  Anyone with a health risk is in a holding pattern until they can get in front of team docs.  And the others are waiting for the draft to happen, then they're playing musical chairs to make sure they're on a roster for camp.  

 

I like Motor, and I like the idea of adding someone in rounds 2-3.  I also understand why they wouldn't go that route and just decide to try and bring along a vet.  Depends how the draft falls - if there's serious value at 54 then pull the trigger.  If it's not major value, then go for where you think there is value. 

14 minutes ago, Iamkrgr said:

Carlos Hyde would be a solid add of cheap. Ideally we’d go in to camp with 3 solid RBs. Someone always gets hurt throughout the year and it would be nice to not have to rely on a Taiwan Jones or TJ Yeldon to take snaps. 
 

Singletary

Hyde

Akers/Moss 

 

Would be a pretty solid group. 

 

Jones i believe was brought in for Special teams, so he likely is active gamedays.  Usually they would only have 2 others active and a 4th on the 53.  So i doubt they'd draft someone and sign Hyde.  One of them's probably not active.

[maryland-bills-fan]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

what pace are you trying to change? Singletary is very quick and has decent speed and is a good receiver. Are you looking for someone slower?  What is wrong with having another talented back that is similar?

You mean this guy Singeltary?     https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019

 

RECEIVING: Minimum 25 passes, 50 players ranked

• Passes includes all passes to this receiver, complete and incomplete.
• Catch Rate is the percentage of passes completed to this receiver.

Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	Catch Rate	FUM
C.McCaffrey	CAR	386	1	351	2	34.8%	4	30.4%	142	1,005	1,365	4	82%	0
A.Ekeler	LAC	320	2	359	1	38.8%	3	45.1%	108	993	1,093	8	85%	2
M.Ingram	BAL	145	3	153	4	74.6%	1	79.1%	29	247	418	5	90%	0
D.Cook	MIN	144	4	138	5	29.2%	5	27.5%	63	519	535	0	84%	1
J.White	NE	142	5	179	3	14.8%	14	22.4%	95	645	647	5	76%	0
Du.Johnson	HOU	125	6	114	7	24.6%	9	21.5%	62	410	481	3	71%	0
M.Sanders	PHI	121	7	134	6	20.0%	12	23.7%	63	509	504	3	79%	0
Da.Johnson	ARI	114	8	111	8	29.2%	6	28.0%	47	370	426	4	77%	1
J.Williams	GB	103	9	103	10	27.4%	8	27.5%	45	253	391	5	87%	0
E.Elliott	DAL	99	10	87	12	12.6%	16	9.3%	71	420	474	2	76%	0
K.Juszczyk	SF	98	11	108	9	47.6%	2	53.5%	24	239	317	1	83%	0
J.Mixon	CIN	86	12	80	13	19.3%	13	17.2%	45	287	363	3	78%	0
A.Kamara	NO	83	13	44	22	1.6%	23	-5.7%	97	533	558	1	84%	1
J.Conner	PIT	75	14	93	11	21.2%	10	29.8%	38	251	308	3	89%	0
D.Washington	OAK	74	15	76	15	21.1%	11	22.3%	41	292	303	0	88%	0
K.Hunt	CLE	71	16	80	14	14.2%	15	18.1%	44	285	325	1	84%	0
B.Scott	PHI	67	17	62	16	29.0%	7	25.9%	26	204	250	0	92%	1
C.Carson	SEA	57	18	39	23	8.9%	18	1.6%	47	266	295	2	79%	1
D.Freeman	ATL	51	19	55	18	-0.9%	25	0.1%	70	410	388	4	84%	1
R.Jones	TB	47	20	58	17	9.2%	17	14.5%	40	309	242	0	78%	1
J.Richard	OAK	39	21	54	19	2.7%	22	8.6%	43	323	252	0	84%	1
P.Laird	MIA	39	22	51	21	8.6%	19	15.4%	30	204	205	0	77%	0
R.Burkhead	NE	37	23	27	28	4.0%	21	-0.8%	38	279	227	0	71%	1
A.Jones	GB	35	24	54	20	-5.1%	29	-0.5%	68	474	359	3	72%	1
C.Thompson	WAS	34	25	20	31	-2.1%	26	-7.0%	58	378	280	0	72%	1
D.Ogunbowale	TB	31	26	16	32	-2.9%	27	-8.3%	46	286	267	0	76%	1
J.Jacobs	OAK	28	27	31	26	4.6%	20	6.6%	27	166	166	0	74%	0
Dam.Williams	KC	24	28	34	24	-3.7%	28	0.7%	37	213	216	2	81%	0
K.Drake	2TM	23	29	-25	43	-7.9%	33	-20.1%	68	345	331	0	74%	0
T.Coleman	SF	23	30	28	27	0.0%	24	2.7%	30	180	168	1	70%	0
M.Gordon	LAC	19	31	15	34	-7.3%	32	-8.8%	55	296	246	1	76%	1
L.Murray	NO	19	32	24	29	-5.6%	31	-3.4%	43	235	202	1	79%	0
J.Samuels	PIT	17	33	23	30	-8.9%	35	-7.2%	57	305	288	1	82%	1
D.Montgomery	CHI	15	34	8	36	-5.5%	30	-9.3%	35	185	164	1	71%	0
J.D.McKissic	DET	12	35	-2	39	-8.2%	34	-14.6%	42	233	176	1	81%	0
R.Freeman	DEN	10	36	15	33	-10.1%	36	-8.3%	50	256	208	1	86%	0
C.J.Ham	MIN	6	37	2	37	-10.1%	37	-12.5%	26	149	134	1	65%	0
D.Lewis	TEN	3	38	-8	40	-11.9%	38	-19.0%	32	164	115	1	78%	0
L.Bell	NYJ	3	39	32	25	-13.2%	39	-6.5%	78	461	315	1	85%	1
T.Gurley	LAR	0	40	-20	42	-13.8%	40	-21.0%	49	207	197	2	63%	0
N.Chubb	CLE	-4	41	10	35	-15.3%	41	-10.0%	49	278	174	0	73%	1
L.Fournette	JAX	-17	42	-28	45	-17.0%	42	-19.1%	101	524	349	0	76%	1
N.Hines	IND	-24	43	-1	38	-21.5%	44	-14.2%	58	320	174	0	76%	1
L.McCoy	KC	-34	44	-15	41	-32.2%	46	-22.0%	35	181	63	1	82%	1
T.Cohen	CHI	-36	45	-51	46	-20.1%	43	-22.7%	104	456	337	3	76%	1
S.Barkley	NYG	-37	46	-25	44	-22.8%	45	-19.9%	73	438	218	2	71%	1
T.Johnson	DET	-45	47	-60	50	-40.2%	50	-48.8%	31	109	29	0	77%	1
D.Singletary	BUF	-47	48	-53	47	-35.2%	47	-37.7%	41	194	61	2	71%	0
G.Bernard	CIN	-55	49	-58	49	-38.5%	48	-40.0%	43	234	46	0	70%	2
P.Lindsay	DEN	-69	50	-57	48	-39.7%	49	-35.0%	48	196	48	0	73%	0

Edited April 15, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[maryland-bills-fan]

That 41 catches for 194 yards by Singletary is less than the combination of Gore (16 for 100yards) and Yeldon (15 for 124) =     31 for 224 yards.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

You mean this guy Singeltary?     https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019

 

RECEIVING: Minimum 25 passes, 50 players ranked

• Passes includes all passes to this receiver, complete and incomplete.
• Catch Rate is the percentage of passes completed to this receiver.

Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	Catch Rate	FUM
C.McCaffrey	CAR	386	1	351	2	34.8%	4	30.4%	142	1,005	1,365	4	82%	0
A.Ekeler	LAC	320	2	359	1	38.8%	3	45.1%	108	993	1,093	8	85%	2
M.Ingram	BAL	145	3	153	4	74.6%	1	79.1%	29	247	418	5	90%	0
D.Cook	MIN	144	4	138	5	29.2%	5	27.5%	63	519	535	0	84%	1
J.White	NE	142	5	179	3	14.8%	14	22.4%	95	645	647	5	76%	0
Du.Johnson	HOU	125	6	114	7	24.6%	9	21.5%	62	410	481	3	71%	0
M.Sanders	PHI	121	7	134	6	20.0%	12	23.7%	63	509	504	3	79%	0
Da.Johnson	ARI	114	8	111	8	29.2%	6	28.0%	47	370	426	4	77%	1
J.Williams	GB	103	9	103	10	27.4%	8	27.5%	45	253	391	5	87%	0
E.Elliott	DAL	99	10	87	12	12.6%	16	9.3%	71	420	474	2	76%	0
K.Juszczyk	SF	98	11	108	9	47.6%	2	53.5%	24	239	317	1	83%	0
J.Mixon	CIN	86	12	80	13	19.3%	13	17.2%	45	287	363	3	78%	0
A.Kamara	NO	83	13	44	22	1.6%	23	-5.7%	97	533	558	1	84%	1
J.Conner	PIT	75	14	93	11	21.2%	10	29.8%	38	251	308	3	89%	0
D.Washington	OAK	74	15	76	15	21.1%	11	22.3%	41	292	303	0	88%	0
K.Hunt	CLE	71	16	80	14	14.2%	15	18.1%	44	285	325	1	84%	0
B.Scott	PHI	67	17	62	16	29.0%	7	25.9%	26	204	250	0	92%	1
C.Carson	SEA	57	18	39	23	8.9%	18	1.6%	47	266	295	2	79%	1
D.Freeman	ATL	51	19	55	18	-0.9%	25	0.1%	70	410	388	4	84%	1
R.Jones	TB	47	20	58	17	9.2%	17	14.5%	40	309	242	0	78%	1
J.Richard	OAK	39	21	54	19	2.7%	22	8.6%	43	323	252	0	84%	1
P.Laird	MIA	39	22	51	21	8.6%	19	15.4%	30	204	205	0	77%	0
R.Burkhead	NE	37	23	27	28	4.0%	21	-0.8%	38	279	227	0	71%	1
A.Jones	GB	35	24	54	20	-5.1%	29	-0.5%	68	474	359	3	72%	1
C.Thompson	WAS	34	25	20	31	-2.1%	26	-7.0%	58	378	280	0	72%	1
D.Ogunbowale	TB	31	26	16	32	-2.9%	27	-8.3%	46	286	267	0	76%	1
J.Jacobs	OAK	28	27	31	26	4.6%	20	6.6%	27	166	166	0	74%	0
Dam.Williams	KC	24	28	34	24	-3.7%	28	0.7%	37	213	216	2	81%	0
K.Drake	2TM	23	29	-25	43	-7.9%	33	-20.1%	68	345	331	0	74%	0
T.Coleman	SF	23	30	28	27	0.0%	24	2.7%	30	180	168	1	70%	0
M.Gordon	LAC	19	31	15	34	-7.3%	32	-8.8%	55	296	246	1	76%	1
L.Murray	NO	19	32	24	29	-5.6%	31	-3.4%	43	235	202	1	79%	0
J.Samuels	PIT	17	33	23	30	-8.9%	35	-7.2%	57	305	288	1	82%	1
D.Montgomery	CHI	15	34	8	36	-5.5%	30	-9.3%	35	185	164	1	71%	0
J.D.McKissic	DET	12	35	-2	39	-8.2%	34	-14.6%	42	233	176	1	81%	0
R.Freeman	DEN	10	36	15	33	-10.1%	36	-8.3%	50	256	208	1	86%	0
C.J.Ham	MIN	6	37	2	37	-10.1%	37	-12.5%	26	149	134	1	65%	0
D.Lewis	TEN	3	38	-8	40	-11.9%	38	-19.0%	32	164	115	1	78%	0
L.Bell	NYJ	3	39	32	25	-13.2%	39	-6.5%	78	461	315	1	85%	1
T.Gurley	LAR	0	40	-20	42	-13.8%	40	-21.0%	49	207	197	2	63%	0
N.Chubb	CLE	-4	41	10	35	-15.3%	41	-10.0%	49	278	174	0	73%	1
L.Fournette	JAX	-17	42	-28	45	-17.0%	42	-19.1%	101	524	349	0	76%	1
N.Hines	IND	-24	43	-1	38	-21.5%	44	-14.2%	58	320	174	0	76%	1
L.McCoy	KC	-34	44	-15	41	-32.2%	46	-22.0%	35	181	63	1	82%	1
T.Cohen	CHI	-36	45	-51	46	-20.1%	43	-22.7%	104	456	337	3	76%	1
S.Barkley	NYG	-37	46	-25	44	-22.8%	45	-19.9%	73	438	218	2	71%	1
T.Johnson	DET	-45	47	-60	50	-40.2%	50	-48.8%	31	109	29	0	77%	1
D.Singletary	BUF	-47	48	-53	47	-35.2%	47	-37.7%	41	194	61	2	71%	0
G.Bernard	CIN	-55	49	-58	49	-38.5%	48	-40.0%	43	234	46	0	70%	2
P.Lindsay	DEN	-69	50	-57	48	-39.7%	49	-35.0%	48	196	48	0	73%	0

 

No idea what goes into generating a DYAR and DVOA for running backs in a passing attack - but allens scattershot accuracy on swing passes has to harm these numbers, no?  Seems to factor yards per target, as well as catch rate and TDs.  But look at the guys on the bottom and their QBs and it makes a bit of sense. 

 

Either way - Gore wasn't it, and Motor should have to earn 3rd down opportunities.  The screen game for Buffalo in general has also been bad.  

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Singletary was 22nd in yards gained rushing and 44th in yards gained receiving.  We can not escape the fact that those numbers are low production.

 

I really disagree with this assessment because you are using total yards gained which makes no sense.

 

First - as a Rookie this regime has shown that it brings them along slowly to prevent them from hitting a huge rookie wall.  Most rookies they platoon time with and allow them more time later in the season as they have adjusted.

 

Second - He missed 4 games out of an abundance of caution - so why are we comparing apples and oranges.

 

Singletary was just fine on a per touch basis and that negates your low production claim.  Those numbers will increase as a 2nd year player and they give him more time and more touches.

 

If they do draft a RB again this year - I would expect similar to Singletary- they will use the rookie very sparingly- especially early in the year and he will not put up number much better than what Singletary did last year.  This is even more true if the rookie has trouble pass blocking - he will get used very sparingly after first down and people will complain about when and how he was used, but it is forced by design.  
 

The Bills built up Singletary’s touches and he had to prove he could pass block to get more third down plays and even then in big moments they preferred the veteran presence for protection.

[billsfan89]

There will be some decent vet options available after the draft. I think McBeane is savvy enough to see how the draft shakes out and then dip into the vet RB market once they know what exactly they have at RB post draft. Out of all the options available, I do like Hyde the most but I think drafting a bigger RB around round 4 is the team's best option. 

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I think it's the fumbles that held him back. I was always worried the few times he had the ball. He has talent, I think he was trying too hard and those couple of fumbles were held against him. 

 

1 fumble.

[JustWinPlease]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I like Yeldon, and I think the staff does too.  They have been quite complimentary to him and what he did when given chances last year.  I think he could be a good compliment to Yeldon in the same way any of those other FA's you listed would be as I expect Devin to still get the lion shares of the carries.  Im not sure any of those guys listed have much more to offer than Yeldon does who already knows our offense.  

 

So I think pepper in some fresh legs in the draft (some good ones will be there in rounds 2-5 this year IMO) and let Devin take the lead role fully with Yeldon backing him up until the rookie proves he can take over the backup duties full time (pass pro will be the key factor on that).  

 

That being said, I wouldn't hate a signing of any of those guys above either.  Just like the idea of getting some fresh legs next to Devin as well to form a formidable one-two punch for years to come.  And I think this is a good draft to do it as we dont have a lot of holes and the RB depth is nice this year in the mid rounds.

Why does Devin Singletary automatically get the starting job?

This regime preaches competition at every turn, they can't just hand the starting job to Singletary because he's all that they have.

As for Yeldon, he couldn't even get on the field last year...going into the season with him as RB2 would be a mistake.

If Johnathan Taylor is there at #54, they have to pull the trigger, he has the speed, skill and size of an elite RB in the NFL.

[Mat68]

Money, production, length of contract all leads to a mid round pick over a vet.  Players on contract 2 and 3 are more expensive and less productive.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Pretty sure he meant Favre in NY and Minnesota where he continued to play great football.  The fact you didn't get that is a bit perplexing.

 

 

I was being sarcastic lol

 

Rereading it i see it kind of falls flat despite me LMAO after so edited it out lol

Edited April 15, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

55 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Why does Devin Singletary automatically get the starting job?

This regime preaches competition at every turn, they can't just hand the starting job to Singletary because he's all that they have.

As for Yeldon, he couldn't even get on the field last year...going into the season with him as RB2 would be a mistake.

If Johnathan Taylor is there at #54, they have to pull the trigger, he has the speed, skill and size of an elite RB in the NFL.

 

1.  Devin has earned the starting job.  Thats not even debatable.

2.  They are not looking for a replacement at all for Devin, they are looking for a compliment to him.

3.  Yeldon was behind a highly effective rookie and a future HOF RB who was also there to mentor Devin and be a steward in the locker room.

4.  I never said not to bring in a RB, I said in every thread I am in to draft a RB.  

5.  I have said we don't need another retread RB, roll with Devin and Yeldon as his backup until said rookie is ready to take the backup job away from Yeldon.

[spartacus]

17 hours ago, Billiever72 said:

I would like to review the past a bit. When we had Thurman Thomas we signed Kenneth Davis as a free agent and it worked great because when Thurman was banged up Kenneth was there and not much production was lost from that position because they were somewhat similar in skillset. Who can carry the load with not much drop off if Singletary gets hurt? Free agent I believe more in Carlos Hyde. Miller and Freeman can't seem to stay healthy. In the draft it is either JK Dobbins or Cam Akers in my opinion.

not much production lost ?  - yeah not so

Kenneth Davis could not catch a cold

[dubs]

I agree with the premise.

 

Do the Bills need another RB on the team, I'd say no, they don't need it.  It would be nice to have another RB that's an upgrade over Jones and Yeldon, but definitely not a necessity.

If I were the Bills FO, I'd price out a few of the RBs still on the market and see who might be available in Rounds 4, 5, 6, and 7 and decide where the best bang for the buck is.  Two things I would absolutely not do is draft an RB in Round 2 or 3 or sign a big deal with a FA.

[maryland-bills-fan]

2 hours ago, spartacus said:

not much production lost ?  - yeah not so

Kenneth Davis could not catch a cold

....and Singletary is 41 for 194 yards.  Kenneth Davis often got that many yards on a single play.

Edited April 15, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Darrynton Evans in the 4th/5th.  Championship!