stinky finger Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: I loathe Dillon. I wouldn’t draft him in any round. I like him a lot. What it is about his game that would make you loathe him? 1 1
Bob in STL Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I’m looking for another good RB to basically split touches evenly with Singletary. Not because I feel a need for an upgrade over Devin, but because I think the Bills still want to run the ball more than most teams and because optimally I would not want Singletary to log 20+ touches per game for a full season as he is likely to wear down as the season goes on. Ideally, the new RB would be proficient as a receiver out of the backfield, but I haven’t given up thinking that Singletary couldn’t be more involved there and I actually think that Yeldon is a good receiver and can be of value there. I am not married to a “type” (big bruiser, speedy, elusive) - I just want someone to gain yards when Singletary is resting. i will say that I really like any of the top guys that might be available when the Bills pick - Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Edwards-Helaire and Akers. I think any of them would be a great compliment. After them, I kind of like Evans later or Moss maybe in 3rd. I’m not a huge fan of AJ Dillon in spite of his combine results and his production, but wouldn’t hate him in the 4th. Spot on! I agree. We need another running threat to help Singletary. We are Buffalo and we have winter. 1
DCOrange Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: I like him a lot. What it is about his game that would make you loathe him? He's pretty much the antithesis of what I want an NFL offense to be. I'm looking for: RBs that are weapons in the passing game: He was pretty much never involved and when they did throw him the ball, he dropped it. RBs that can create big plays: He rates near the bottom of the class in terms of big play %. RBs that are comfortable operating out of the shotgun and spread offenses: Pretty much all of his touches are from under center with 12 or 22 personnel. I also just prefer my RBs to rely on short area quickness rather than pure power or speed and he's definitely in the latter category. Ultimately, I see him as a guy where you put him on the field, the field shrinks, and the defense knows you're running the ball. That's just not what I want. I don't doubt that he can be a statistically productive runner, but I think he limits what you can and will do on offense. I'd personally only be interested in him as a short-yardage back, which I'd say is worth like a 6th round pick or something like that, but he'll almost certainly be gone well before that because there's definitely still some old-school teams out there that will put a lot of value in him, especially after Derrick Henry's crazy season this year. 3 3
Bob in STL Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Singletary and Yeldon are fine as a 1-2. We need someone for depth and special teams. I see Yeldon as a 3. Getting one of the best RBs in the draft for #2 is smart. Easy insurance for Singletary, and he may be even better. The special team RB will either be Taiwan or Senorise. 4
SCBills Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: I don't think that McDermott wants to move too far into a predominantly passing offense. I think he will want to continue with a higher than average run pass balance. I think they will throw a little more often this year, but I don't think he will tip the balance too far in that direction. I’m not so sure... It’s Year 3 of Allen and in Diggs-Brown-Beasley-Knox, he has one of the most talented groups of pass catchers in the league. It seems weird to say, but with a consensus Top 10/15 WR in Diggs, a high end #2 in Brown, a high end slot in Beasley and the potential in Year 2 Knox, it’s something accurate to state. You really shouldn’t be any kind of run heavy offense with those weapons. Now if we add a premium pick RB to pair with Singletary, then you could probably make the same argument for having too much talent to not be a run heavy offense, so, what do I know?
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Singletary and Yeldon are fine as a 1-2. We need someone for depth and special teams. Hmmm
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said: I think our coaching staff is smart enough to figure out that short circle or spot passes to the RB would be deadly with our two speedy WR and Allen's threat of his running for a chunk. I think they didn't call them because Singletary just didn't catch the ball reliably in practice and if he did, in a game, he was not shifty enough in the open field to break a big gain, nor was he fast enough to squirt out of there for a big gain by outrunning the defensive linemen and LB's. So those plays were not called, because the didn't look like (I;m sure they tried) would work. But why not to Gore. he has sure hands and came open regularly. It seemed to me Devin needs work on blocking . Blitz pickup and technique. and i too hope they work on HB passes. They need another RB Question simply is , big back to get the yards with loaded defense ? Or player who can turn the corner and has the vision to burn corners and safeties/ I vote BOTH 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: I like Yeldon but I think Beane knows that we are in trouble if Singletary gets hurt. TJ is more of a third down specialist because he has reliable hands. They need to add another RB. The guy is a fumbler. not reliable hands whatsoever
T master Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) I've been hoping that if they do get a back it would be one that brings a different skill set than what Devin does a bit bigger back that can catch out of the back field that has really good speed Johnathon Taylor is a bit bigger & faster with a bunch of good stats supporting his game but he is just a RB . Then i heard of this guy out of Memphis Antonio Gibson which is bigger than both motor & Taylor & is also faster than both, while at Memphis he had 3 jobs RB, WR, & Kick returns . So being a WR he can catch out of the back field & be a ST's contributor seeing as McD likes versatility if you can get a three headed offensive weapon for the cost of 1 i'm all in this guy shows well on the field . He would also be able to help out in a pinch if one of the WR go down, I know he's pretty raw & would need some coaching but i have faith McD & company would have him playing up to speed in no time, at 6' 2" & 221 lbs if he was to add muscle talk about our own Derrick Henry with 4.3 speed that would be crazy ! Either would be good but the versatility thing i have to go with Gibson ... He could be got in the later rounds too ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKm9IkvBopI Edited April 15, 2020 by T master 3
RyanC883 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, DJB said: JK Dobbins Why? Hes the best all around RB in the draft with the highest floor. He would instantly become our #1 RB. Hes fantastic in the passing game and to me one of the best pass protecting RB available in the draft. Hes extremely elusive as well as durable. He also had one of the best fumble ratings as well. Best part? We can get him early mid 2nd and not have to move up close to 1 for Swift or Taylor. Kid is a stud he also played in the Big 10, which is generally known for good DL/LB play. Makes his stats even more impressive. I don't see him available at 54, however. I think we need to trade up in the 2nd to get him. Akers or Helaire may be available at 54. I want one of the big 5 (Dobbins, Swift, Taylor, Akers, Helaire) Edited April 15, 2020 by RyanC883 2 1
The Firebaugh Kid Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Taylor just screams star to me. Dude is an animal. I'm of the camp that wants a home run hitter that can kill a game with a big run. A different style runner than Motor to grab 8-10 carries. So I guess Taylor is my guy but Dobbins is just as good. Gibson in the later rounds or McFarland interests me as well. Let's get some touchdown makers Beane 2 1
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Singletary is an odd case to me. His athletic testing was poor but his play seems incompatible with that. Making tacklers miss in a phone booth seems like a trait of great athlete to me. Anyways, he needs a reliable running mate. Someone to share the load and compete with him for playing time. I'll bet they'll both become better blockers, route runners and pass catchers just to earn their time on the field. I want this RB addition to be an elite playmaker because for however many touches they get, they will make the offense better when they are on the field. So, I am in favor of any outcome that shows the Bills thought this to be a priority addition to the roster because it is one clear way to make this team better in 2020. Getting an elite talent in the draft means we have both him and Singletary for the next 3 years and our offense has someone to threaten the defense no matter which is in the game. So, I like many of these scenarios as long as the Bills get it right which they probably will. I hope the guy they draft is as good as or better than Devin because it makes the team that much better. 4 1
JoPoy88 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 5 hours ago, jrober38 said: Singletary and Yeldon are fine as a 1-2. We need someone for depth and special teams. well if you think Motor is getting a 90/10% split between the two then maybe. But yeldon is not reliable for any significant work at this point in his career so I’d say no, that scenario ain’t too fine. Another back is necessary.
Reks Ryan Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Edward-Helaire. Reminds me of Thurman Thomas in style and as a multi-purpose back. He will be a very god pro RB. Would also be happy w AJ Dillon in 3rd or 4th round 1 1
NewEra Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) I’ve long said that we need speed. A guy that is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Swift had long been my #1 and my wish but that has changed. Despite the similarities between Motor and Clyde, I feel CEH is the best rb in the draft and will be gone by the time we pick. His explosion in the hole is like no other imo. Taylor hits it fast, but CEH just looks like a different type of beast in my eyes. And his receiving ability is the best in the class imo. Swift and Taylor are up next and I think they’ll likely be gone as well. i believe the RBs that have a chance to be there are Dobbins and Akers. Dobbins has that breakaway we need and Akers might be the most talented back in the draft. I’d he very happy with either of them in rd 2. Everyone else is a reach imo at 54. Gibson, Moss, McFarland, Dillon and Evans next followed by Calais and Adrian killins in the later rounds. Edited April 15, 2020 by NewEra
NewEra Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 4 hours ago, RyanC883 said: he also played in the Big 10, which is generally known for good DL/LB play. Makes his stats even more impressive. I don't see him available at 54, however. I think we need to trade up in the 2nd to get him. Akers or Helaire may be available at 54. I want one of the big 5 (Dobbins, Swift, Taylor, Akers, Helaire) Pretty much this. I believe one will be there. The question is, which CB, DE, S, WR will be there along with the RBs and who is the BPA. That player will be our pick 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Clyde Edwards - Helaire not just highlights but full explanation, worth the watch. i want this kid with our 1st pick. 4
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 8 hours ago, jrober38 said: Singletary and Yeldon are fine as a 1-2. We need someone for depth and special teams. Yeldon is holding the bench down, be lucky to make the team.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 8 hours ago, SCBills said: I’m not so sure... It’s Year 3 of Allen and in Diggs-Brown-Beasley-Knox, he has one of the most talented groups of pass catchers in the league. It seems weird to say, but with a consensus Top 10/15 WR in Diggs, a high end #2 in Brown, a high end slot in Beasley and the potential in Year 2 Knox, it’s something accurate to state. You really shouldn’t be any kind of run heavy offense with those weapons. Now if we add a premium pick RB to pair with Singletary, then you could probably make the same argument for having too much talent to not be a run heavy offense, so, what do I know? I like Josh Allen's total game and he has shown improvement as a passer, but I'm not sure that you would be playing to his or the team's strengths if you ask him to carry the offense every week on his arm alone. I think putting a balanced offense with the ability to run and pass effectively makes it much harder for defenses to defend and gives you the flexibility to emphasIze either run or pass depending on opponent and game situation.
H2o Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 There have been 3 guys I wanted us to grab in this draft for months. Those 3 guys are Chase Claypool/WR/Notre Dame, Kenny Willekes/DE/Michigan St., and AJ Dillon/RB/Boston College. Don't get me wrong, I would be happy with Swift, Taylor, or Dobbins, but I think they will be gone before we look to draft a RB(and at this point before we even get our 1st pick @ #54). With Dillon you are getting a powerful, one cut runner who has breakaway speed when he gets in the open. You basically never see one guy able to bring him down. He is quite Derrick Henry-esque in his running ability, a guy who many on here were clamoring for us to get in FA. When teams played Boston College they knew the offensive gameplan, feed Dillon the rock, and he still ran for almost 1,700 yards with 14 TD's. I think he would add a dynamic in the running game they were using Gore for last year, only with young legs. 2
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 10 hours ago, jrober38 said: Singletary was amazing last year, particularly down the stretch. There's no reason TJ Yeldon can't do what Gore did last year. Running back is way down my list of Bills' needs this draft. Grab a body in the 5th or 6th round. Spending an early pick when we have Singletary and Yeldon as a decent backup who can catch the ball doesn't make any sense. This offense is built to pass the football. We've invested huge resources into the pass game and accordingly I expect that to be a focal point for this team. Yeldon sucks as a runner. He runs into the back of his linemen so freaking often.
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